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Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
Don't gently caress with pH and hardness, it is more trouble than it's worth. a pH of 6 is perfect for blackwater fish, and lots of killifish like the softer water, as do a lot of smaller cories and lots of dwarf non rift lake cichlids.

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Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Hadlock posted:

Ph was just under 6 this morning again.

Vacuumed up a bunch of goop from the part of the tank where that stuff tends to settle; also added about 1 tsp baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) and topped off the tank with about 1.5 gal of 8.0ph water; pH mostly stable at 6.7. So slight improvement.

Since the morning of the 7th when that was posted, having added the 1tsp of sodium bicarbonate, and vacuuming up a bunch of sludge, it's been solidly north of 7.6 (looks like 7.8ph on my card)

Yeah I'm not trying to chase a specific pH but if I drain a 10 gallon tank of pH < 6, add 4 gal pH 8.0 and then have ~7 but 12 hours later it's back down again to < 6.0 there's probably something fucky with the tank. Let me mention again the room smelled horrific so it's not like I was idly trying to change the pH; the room smelled awful when I opened the door, something was off gassing from the tank so I tested the ph and it was lower than I've ever seen it

But yeah since removing a bunch of sludge and adding the baking soda it seems to have stabilized, and the smell went away in the last day or two

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




*nodding along* seems like rotting stuff, wether plants, or food, or animals, tends to lower the pH, and give off ammonia. A relatively small volume, and little buffering capacity can leave you susceptible to big swings just from nature doing its thing.

It seems to me like that might be what's going on there.

Through denial and error, I learned that the fish and snails both will go nuts for leftover chicken carcasses, but whatever is left needs to be removed after a day, not 2.
I threw the scrap bones in , and the snails stripped the meat from between the ribs even, ate a bunch of cartilage from the joints, and even chewed some of the actual bone. Figured that's all good nutrition, but the morning of day 2, I caught a whiff of rotting meat from the tank, and yanked it all out.
Took a dip, and nitrites were showing for the first time, which is a big red flag, considering my tank is way over filtered.

Oopsies. Did a big water change, and everyone seems happy.
Nothing seems h

HelloIAmYourHeart
Dec 29, 2008
Fallen Rib

Cowslips Warren posted:

Don't gently caress with pH and hardness, it is more trouble than it's worth. a pH of 6 is perfect for blackwater fish, and lots of killifish like the softer water, as do a lot of smaller cories and lots of dwarf non rift lake cichlids.

She wants a betta. My inclination is to say "Don't change anything in the tank. Don't vacuum, don't stir up the gravel (it's dirt under gravel), don't mess with the pH." I don't know if she has a heater, either. I think it's a 30 gallon tank.

I haven't checked my own parameters in forever. Plants are growing like crazy, fish are living, shrimps and snails are reproducing. It's obviously fine.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

I think I'm going to return to Oscar ownership and finally take the plunge on a 180g.

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

Bulky Bartokomous posted:

I think I'm going to return to Oscar ownership and finally take the plunge on a 180g.

i have always wanted gold/red severums but my 90 is for my plecos.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004


Bulky Bartokomous posted:

I think I'm going to return to Oscar ownership and finally take the plunge on a 180g.

:hellyeah:

I freaking love Oscars, don't care how "basic" they are. A 180g oscar tank will be amazing, how many are you thinking of getting? I've got two, one in a 120g with 9 silver dollars and the other is solo in a 75g.

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan
i got an urchin the other day for the sole purpose of hoping he would eat this gross red mat algae on all my rocks, and let me tell you, this little fucker is going to town. in a month he's gonna scrape all my rocks to clean white.

that being said he's a regular Katamari. i watched him pick up a live nassarius snail and carry the fucker around. I picked him clean and then 5 minutes later he looked like this again:

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Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
i kinda miss my urchins but i do not miss the male jacking off and releasing sperm clouds every water change. or them eating my sponge filters.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

Enos Cabell posted:

:hellyeah:

I freaking love Oscars, don't care how "basic" they are. A 180g oscar tank will be amazing, how many are you thinking of getting? I've got two, one in a 120g with 9 silver dollars and the other is solo in a 75g.

I don't know, I saw a tank on YT that was just 6 oscars and they all seemed to get along and exhibit interesting group behaviors. OTOH, that would be messy as hell and could fall apart the second a pair forms. I'm thinking instead that I'll probably do maybe a pair and that some other big new world cichlids. Maybe a green terror and Jack Dempsey and some firemouths/convicts. 180g sounds so big but even that can get quickly overcrowded when you're talking big bois.

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Irene's shell dweller video that showed up recently in the online creator's thread has me thinking maybe I want some of those? Cute little diggers, and they seem to breed pretty easy.
Talk me out of it. I have enough fish already, please.

a7m2
Jul 9, 2012


Cowslips Warren posted:

i kinda miss my urchins but i do not miss the male jacking off and releasing sperm clouds every water change. or them eating my sponge filters.

That's hilarious (to read, I'm sure experiencing isn't quite as funny)

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

:rip: Yoda the zebra turbo snail. He/she had a good run, about 3 years. But holy crap, what a smell dead snail is :barf:

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

I have a rotting bog tub which I throw my algae and plant cuttings from my pond into, it gives the dragon fly nymphs a fighting chance and it’s also a breeding ground for disgusting rat tailed maggots, which grow into hover-flies or drone flies, a less glamorous but still important pollinator. And it still doesn’t stink as badly as a dead snail, that really is a special smell. RIP Yoda.

We have had a couple of heatwaves lately which has meant warmer pond water, large quantities of spawning and many new rosy barb fry. I’m surprised more of them don’t end up in the skimmer box or eaten by dragonfly nymphs but they seem to have a good sense of self preservation. I haven’t had any bird problems either, the eel grass has grown in really nicely and so has the other water plant so there’s plenty of cover. Still a lot more algae than I’d like, but the fish of all sizes seem to use it to anchor themselves in position at night.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

People like to dunk on big box stores but I just had two great experiences. My local PetSmart asked me my name and checked to see if I was on a list of convicted animal abusers, and I stopped in PetCo and they had a big sign on their comet goldfish that said "we get 14+ inches and like cool water"

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Bulky Bartokomous posted:

People like to dunk on big box stores but I just had two great experiences. My local PetSmart asked me my name and checked to see if I was on a list of convicted animal abusers, and I stopped in PetCo and they had a big sign on their comet goldfish that said "we get 14+ inches and like cool water"
Nice.
I was also pleasantly surprised at the local big pet chain when buying a comet. They asked how big my tank was (100gal patio tub), and they immediately followed up to make sure I had shade and aeration. (Yep, pole beans and shade cloths, with sponge filters).
They even asked how big my tank was when buying jungle Val, LoL.

Ooh, and I overheard a very responsible interaction at the local indie fish store.
A customer was looking to buy a "pretty fish" to put in a bowl with nice plants as a gift for a coworker, and way eyeballing bettas.
The employee gently inquired about the customer's fishkeeping experience, and explained a bit about bettas. They then went on to explain why they don't sell anything smaller than 5 gallons, and suggested a way to go about putting together a nice tall, wide vase with aquatic plants, and no animals as a gift along the same lines that would be better appreciated, but result in a lot smaller sales $ for the fish store.
I was impressed with the tact they employed.

B33rChiller fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Mar 17, 2024

Mistaken For Bacon
Apr 26, 2003


I got some chili rasboras a little while ago from the LFS's neocardinia tank. Since they were in a shrimp tank they weren't treated for ich and they brought it in. I tried cranking up the heat to treat but my heaters weren't up to it. So I got a 10 gallon, trimmed up my main tank's overgrowth and evacuated the snails for an ich-x treatment. Anyway, here's my new quarantine tank. Hopefully I did the replanting correctly

Mistaken For Bacon fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Mar 19, 2024

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

If I have a very mature sponge filter and HOB and I move one of those over to the new tank, how long do I need to cycle the new tank for

Apparently the power went out three days ago while I was out of town and the lamps have been on 24/7 algae is wildly out of control. Well it was out of control before, now it's catastrophic

Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

Hadlock posted:

If I have a very mature sponge filter and HOB and I move one of those over to the new tank, how long do I need to cycle the new tank for

Apparently the power went out three days ago while I was out of town and the lamps have been on 24/7 algae is wildly out of control. Well it was out of control before, now it's catastrophic

That should be an instant cycle, but if you're throwing a handful of sand or gravel from the established tank, that should help too.

Wait, the power went out and the lights stayed on?



Mistaken For Bacon posted:


I got some chili rasboras a little while ago from the LFS's neocardinia tank. Since they were in a shrimp tank they weren't treated for ich and they brought it in. I tried cranking up the heat to treat but my heaters weren't up to it. So I got a 10 gallon, trimmed up my main tank's overgrowth and evacuated the snails for an ich-x treatment. Anyway, here's my new quarantine tank. Hopefully I did the replanting correctly

Ich is usually present in all tanks, and activated by stress, so you don't treat for it until it shows up, I don't believe there's any preventative measure since it's a stress parasite. When you say quarantine tank, is that where the snails are now or the rasboras?

Mistaken For Bacon
Apr 26, 2003

I set the tank up because I needed somewhere to put the snails (a Nerite and as many MTS as I could find) for a few weeks while I run ich-x in the main tank. Once that's done, I'll use it to quarantine new additions

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Hadlock posted:

If I have a very mature sponge filter and HOB and I move one of those over to the new tank, how long do I need to cycle the new tank for

Apparently the power went out three days ago while I was out of town and the lamps have been on 24/7 algae is wildly out of control. Well it was out of control before, now it's catastrophic
If you have any plants / decorations, and like mentioned before, some substrate, anything with bacteria on it will help inoculate the new tank. Got a pothos in the old tank? Maybe shift ot over.

I don't know your exp level with algae, but I learned the hard way that excel kills mosses as well as algae, so watch out for that, if you decide to use glute.



Digital timers? Power cycle cause it to lose memory, and stick on?

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan
what i like to do is i have a couple sponges buried under the substrate of my tank, so if i needed to spin up a new tank quickly for quaritine or something, i can take that out and stick it in a new filter in my empty 10 gallon.

i also do this with my reef tank by keeping the filters of my extra canister in my sump.

D34THROW
Jan 29, 2012

RETAIL RETAIL LISTEN TO ME BITCH ABOUT RETAIL
:rant:
Shish is a single male betta, approximately 2.5 years old, kept in a 3.5 gallon tank. Parameters are all good at every weekly test/25% change.

He suffered (I think) a case of popeye maybe two months ago, which was treated with Melafix; his eye is still cloudy but the swelling has gone down, so I think he may have injured it. The past few weeks or so, he has seemed like he's slowing down.

- He's lethargic. Spending a lot of time on the bottom of the tank, and a lot of that is split between hiding in his gem and hanging out right below his favorite spot at the front of the tank, where he can be nosy and look out at everyone always.
- He seems to be having trouble getting around. When it's feeding time, he swims as quickly as he can to the top of the tank but seems to struggle a bit, eats his food, and then slowly drifts back down.
- Every so often, he can remain neutrallly buoyant for a few minutes at a time.
- Any time he is not actively swimming, he slowly drifts down.

I've been leaning toward SBD, maybe dropsy...but he is not lacking for appetite, he's not on his side or upside down, and he's got zero bloating.


Y'all, what the gently caress is going on with my fish? He's not that old.

Neitherman
Sep 25, 2006

He will die without safety brief.

Is there anyone living in the Phoenix area who would like a big clump of Java Fern, a chunk of Anubias Coffeefolia rhisome (complete with some Bucephalandra embedded in the roots!) or a clump of Java Moss? If so send me a PM and we can hammer out the details. I have too many plants but I don't want to just throw this stuff away.

Edit: A trade was made and I ended up with this big guy:

Neitherman fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Mar 31, 2024

Neitherman
Sep 25, 2006

He will die without safety brief.

I suggest the OP add Aquarium Co-op to the list of quality vendors. I have bought lights, live plants, an air pump, sponge filters, and more from them and it's all been top-notch quality. Plus the owner Corey is a huge fish nerd and makes YouTube videos all the time about his store and the other stores he visits.

Neitherman fucked around with this message at 22:15 on Mar 28, 2024

DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007


Neitherman posted:

I suggest the OP add Aquarium Co-op to the list of quality vendors. I have bought lights, live plants, an air pump, sponge filters, and more from them and it's all been top-notch quality. Plus the owner Corey is a huge fish nerd and makes YouTube videos all the time about his store and the other stores he visits.

Agreed with everything except their heaters, which are not reliable.

Weembles
Apr 19, 2004

DeadlyMuffin posted:

Agreed with everything except their heaters, which are not reliable.

I could be wrong, but I think they stopped selling them for that very reason.

Rated PG-34
Jul 1, 2004




The aquarium co-op 4-way gang valves are also defective. The rubber end stops fell apart after a couple months of use so air would just leak out.

Aerofallosov
Oct 3, 2007

Friend to Fishes. Just keep swimming.

Weembles posted:

I could be wrong, but I think they stopped selling them for that very reason.

I watched some of his videos, and he mentioned having problems with them so they would stop selling them.

I still like their stuff. The algae sponge is really handy, since it works away hard water.

DeadlyMuffin
Jul 3, 2007


Aerofallosov posted:

I watched some of his videos, and he mentioned having problems with them so they would stop selling them.

I still like their stuff. The algae sponge is really handy, since it works away hard water.

That's nice to hear. Their CO2 reg set is decent.

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

I've never had much luck with plants in aquariums. Sometimes they do okay for a while, but eventually they yellow/brown out. Anyone have a recommendation on a liquid fertilizer for really basic stuff like amazon swords, etc? I have zero desire to mess with CO2 or anything like that, just want to mix a few real plants in with my fake ones. My FW tank is my simple refuge from my reef tank.

The Diddler
Jun 22, 2006


For an amazon sword I use root tabs from Aquarium Coop. They're basically fertilizer pills that don't hurt fish, you just shove a pill or 2 in the dirt and bury a plant nearby. For liquid fert, I use Thrive shrimp safe, but pretty much anything without copper should be sufficient, assuming your fish don't have any special requirements.

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

The rule of thumb that works for me is that stem plants can get nutrients through their leaves (liquid ferts), rosette plants (crypts, swords) get it through their roots so use root tabs for those. And rhizome plants grow so slow that they don't really need a ton of supplementation for nutrients. Too many nutrients for rhizome plants like anubias or java fern and the broad leaves can grow algae.

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Limited experience here, but have had no issues using Jobe's fertilizer spikes, broken up into 1 or 2 cm long pieces and shoved into the gravel. Also proper aquarium root tabs, and osmocote in gel capsules. I keep pretty hardy fish, and mystery snails. Haven't had ammonia spikes or anything like that.

My patio tub has probably 6 inches of plain kitty litter with a gravel/aragonite cap. I use broken up fruit tree fert spikes to feed the waterlily that lives in there with gold fish.

Good results so far.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

Java Fern can grow quickly, but it needs direct sunlight for 4+ hours a day. I dunno what exactly it needs but aquarium lights aren't it

B33rChiller
Aug 18, 2011




Hadlock posted:

Java Fern can grow quickly, but it needs direct sunlight for 4+ hours a day. I dunno what exactly it needs but aquarium lights aren't it
I only have the Wendelov variety, but it has done quite well in my tanks. I bought one as one of my first plants, and tried gluing it to decorations, but the snails had other plans, and now it grows free floating, spitting out new plants all the time. I used a big handful of it as a sort of spawning mop in the tub last summer once I learned that what I was seeing was mating behavior. Worked well, and got baby goldfish.

Seems pretty bombproof, provided it doesn't get fully buried under faster growers

Neitherman
Sep 25, 2006

He will die without safety brief.

Bulky Bartokomous posted:

I've never had much luck with plants in aquariums. Sometimes they do okay for a while, but eventually they yellow/brown out. Anyone have a recommendation on a liquid fertilizer for really basic stuff like amazon swords, etc? I have zero desire to mess with CO2 or anything like that, just want to mix a few real plants in with my fake ones. My FW tank is my simple refuge from my reef tank.

I get this:


And this:


I dose Flourish once or twice a week and Flourish Excel a few times a week. I dump a cap full of potassium and phosphorus in weekly as well. My anubias started flowering and my java ferns about doubled in size after I started this routine. Made my buce more buff as well.




On top of this I use the API root tabs for my scarlet temple, amazon sword, and tropica crypt. This combo has been working pretty well for me in a 46 gallon tank since I set it up last March.

Neitherman fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Mar 30, 2024

Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

I appreciate the plant info, everyone. Unrelated note: Keyhole Cichlids have vanished from the hobby. I called/visited 6 stores in my upstate NY city to include LFSs and Big-Box stores, none of them had any keyholes. Got comments like "wow, nobody has asked for those in a while" and "I can't remember the last time I saw them on the wholesale list". They aren't even listed on LiveAquaria.

The Nastier Nate
May 22, 2005

All aboard the corona bus!

HONK! HONK!


Yams Fan

Hadlock posted:

Java Fern can grow quickly, but it needs direct sunlight for 4+ hours a day. I dunno what exactly it needs but aquarium lights aren't it

ive managed to murder java ferns, amazon swords, and like 4 other types of fresh water plants.

but what does work for me is lucky bamboo. i buy 18 inch stalks so the top sticks out just above the water line

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Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer

Bulky Bartokomous posted:

I appreciate the plant info, everyone. Unrelated note: Keyhole Cichlids have vanished from the hobby. I called/visited 6 stores in my upstate NY city to include LFSs and Big-Box stores, none of them had any keyholes. Got comments like "wow, nobody has asked for those in a while" and "I can't remember the last time I saw them on the wholesale list". They aren't even listed on LiveAquaria.

wetspot has them in stock.

edit: xs size but still.

edit again: https://naturalenvironmentaquatix.com/products/keyhole-cichlid
never ordered from them though, no idea how good they are

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