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Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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stoutfish posted:

just noticed i spelt society wrong in the thread title

what the gently caress is "i before e expect after c" good for

goddamn

also remember that "weird" is weird.

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Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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Dessert Rose posted:

i remember it as:

"i before e, except after c, we have a weird society at leisure" except that only covers three of the like eighteen exceptions

i just live in fear of the little red squiggly lines

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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some people on reddit are :tinfoil:-ing that the cause of the mtgox delays are coinbase using the mtgox-btce spread to make money. quote at btce prices, sell on mtgox, have JP intermediary cash out, and mtgox's systems are unable to handle the extra btc transfer load. i'm not sure i buy it because wouldn't mtgox's volume spike then?

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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note that i don't believe that someone isn't stupid enough to make that their business model.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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Dessert Rose posted:

i actually really like his style so v:shobon:v

his magic card art was amazing, check out Recycle

it's really expressive and unique

he also drew a bunch of porn comics.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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there is nothing in this world as uniquely insufferable as a libertarian trying to be clever.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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they'll just take the nexus 5 and then file asurion claims on their broken iphones.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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TVarmy posted:

They submitted an app that only monitored transactions and couldn't send Bitcoin. Then after it was approved, they updated it to send Bitcoin against the tos. They submitted one app, and updated it to a different one.

pretty quick way to get your app removed

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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killhamster posted:

he's a dipshit who gets by on what bitcoiners consider to be personality. he was on joe rogan's podcast the other day and it took twitter a week to shut the gently caress up about it. he looks like :froggonk: in every photo i've seen

anyway they have literally started calling him bitcoin jesus and abandoned roger ver. he won't acknowledge me or any questions i've ever asked him

i wondered how bitcoin could possibly become more insufferable and there it goes showing me by getting joe rogan onboard.

well done bitcoin.


TVarmy posted:

Is rule lawyering your way to "invalidating" someone else's argument through tenuous logical fallacies really a good way to make a point?

I feel like the internet has transformed logical fallacies from something that's a bad practice which forms weak arguments into a "I don't have to prove my point anymore" card.

Remember, this is the guy /r/Bitcoin wants to represent Bitcoin on TV and possibly even run the foundation.

Edit: someone dig up that reddit endorsement that said this guy was special because he is an extrovert and used tumblr psychology to explain that Bitcoin has almost no extroverts because they're good at technology, but that made them weak to extroverts who hold panels or give interviews.

there have always been assholes that wouldn't accept losing an argument and would grasp at excuses why the other side isn't being fair when they are not winning but the internet just gives them an endless opportunity to not shut up.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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bitcoiners are mad about the localbitcoins thing


[–]chalash 55 points 4 hours ago (66|11)
This is a big deal. Money transmission BEFORE a crime has occurred is now being treated as money laundering, which was previously the obfuscation of money sources AFTER a crime has occurred.

[–]goonsack 10 points 4 hours ago (18|7)
You're goddamned right. It's really concerning how these statutes are being stretched. The Charlie Shrem case being a perfect exemplar.
Not sure if this Florida case is directly comparable though. It sounds as if these guys are charged with violating AML reporting statutes, and MSB laws, rather than being charged with money laundering itself (like Charlie was)?


[–]diglig 13 points 5 hours ago (17|6)
WTF? So you can't sell your own bitcoins now?? What's going on here.

[–]nomminommi 14 points 5 hours ago (20|6)
It was a trap. The undercovers told that they want to buy stolen credit cards and they still got the BTC from the seller + they were over the limit where they have to register as moneytransmitter (20k $ a year or whatever depends on location I guess)... So don't do those 2 things and you should be fine -_-


:qq: violating the law is a crime?! but we don't like that law! :qq:

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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jony ive aces posted:

buying pseudonymous internet points with the explicit stated purpose of buying illegal goods is not money laundering because

because when the bitcoin does it, that means it is not illegal.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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the interesting thing is that it doesn't seem like the funds being expected to be used for criminal acts matters in the law. the police went the extra mile to make sure that they nabbed willing money launderers instead of just some people who didn't know about the law.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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Miyamotos RGB NES posted:

the literal inventor of the format said it was "jiff"

jfc it was even a final jeopardy question a few weeks ago

Death of the author applies to file extensions too.


jony ive aces posted:

but if i understand correctly they just charged them as unlicensed money transmitters rather than money launderers, it's genius all round

you can bet that the prosecution will threaten the higher charges to get a guilty plea for the money transmitter violation though.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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Mulatto Butts posted:

the fedora reserve

thread title pls

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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experimental outline:

title: crypto-stupidity exploration

purpose: to determine if bitcoin's detractors are exaggerating the propensity of bitcoiners to get scammed

hypothosis: if exposed to an obvious scam, bitcoiners will still fall for it

procedure: create blatant ponzi scheme where returns are clearly being paid out of latest "investor". wait.

measurements: received in excess of $130k worth of "investments" in less than four days.

conclusions: hypothesis confirmed. bitcoiners are indeed that loving stupid.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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FCKGW posted:

nah man, they just changed the address, the admins in the chat room told me so



like all good scientific experiments the results need to be verified independently.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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Heresiarch posted:

if we wanted to just outright steal money from people there's much easier ways

i think most of us here could run some kind of audiophile gear scam without trouble. and the best thing is, the customers would be completely happy

audio interconnects soldered in a pure-nitrogen environment. prevents extraneous crystal growth patterns with can result in discontinuous boundary conditions which break up the signal wavefront.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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but will they also unplug the router when the price starts to slide?

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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but version 1.0 is the most perfect version and it goes downhill from there...

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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so the transaction id, which is used to uniquely identify a transaction, cannot be relied upon to identify a transaction?

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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i would just like to point out that a hypothetical large scale bitcoin payment service would run a non-trival and financially unacceptable chance of having multiple transactions matching the suggested (amount, address, timestamp) "workaround". every single day would be like betting black and red in roulette and praying like hell that green doesn't hit (and it will eventually).

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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conspiracy theory would be that the gox anouncement was meant to crash the price so they could rebuy the bitcoins they need (which is being stated on r/bitcoin because lol)

that they got screwed over by spoofed transaction IDs is pretty clear at this point. the real question is "how much is gone?", and the massive clusterfuck of their outbound transactions failing due to drawing on empty wallets that the system probably thought had sufficient funds indicates the answer is "a fuckload"

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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i'm really happy that my actualmoney isn't worth 15% less now than it was 12 hours ago.

less happy that my credit card balance isn't but you know you win some you lose some.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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BeOSPOS posted:

it's seriously "burn the bitcoin heretics!"

plus, a cheap attempt at mitigating an average price drop across the board. this whole bitcoin culture is loony and will eat their own

CoinDesk Removes Mt. Gox from Bitcoin Price Index (coindesk.com)
submitted 2 hours ago by lewisjackson

[–]Bitcognition 65 points 2 hours ago (64|7)

ALL REPUTABLE Bitcoin resources should make the same move. Tainting the public's view and adoption by making false claims about how EVERY exchange has the same flaws and that the Bitcoin protocol is to blame. Shame on you.




you see this basic flaw in the bitcoin protocol doesn't effect all bitcoin users because...

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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BeOSPOS posted:

OOOOOOH, but we shouldn't be using txIDs to uniquely identify transactions here.

the most logical of all potential currency systems.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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Heresiarch posted:

http://www.cryptocommunications.com

this is a template site, isn't it? i'm sure somebody will recognize it

of course it is

http://www.wix.com/website/templates/html/creative-arts/1

specifically: this one

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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Heresiarch posted:

gently caress, i don't know anymore, why am i trying to pay attention to this in real-time

yeah you need to wait an hour for everything to have a bunch of confirmations before you can rely on it

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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theflyingorc posted:

is this actually true? because that's super funny if every miner has cp hidden in it

it is just a bunch of deep web links i think.

not that that is much better really but it isn't a jpg that could get every bitcoiner arrested or something.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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Dex posted:

that man stole my kidney to make a point about the inherent oppression in regulating the organ trade industry

but that's a known issue with having kidneys.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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BeOSPOS posted:

there's a wiki page on this, so we're not culpable. gently caress you got both my kidneys

also got some other guy's kidney because he didn't sufficiently armor his flank and really that's just asking for me to take it.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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cold wallet is a bit of a misnomer really. all it really means is that the private key isn't kept in an online form but instead printed out and stored somewhere.

you are able to look up and see how much is in any "cold wallet" by looking at the blockchain (because the blockchain is just a glorified bloated transaction ledger) but unless you know a weakness in the elliptic curve crypto that is used in the public-private key system of bitcoin that is all you can do unless you have physical access to the offline private key.

just cold wallet sounds more cyberpunk than "offline backup".

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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Necc0 posted:

i'm trying to make sense of the airflow and it's not working

same. wouldn't the vidja cards just exhaust downward which would just be sucked right back up into the bitbucket via the giant 200mm fan?

they just seem to think thermal management is "just move bunches of air around!" instead of "oh god get this heat out of here and keep it out dammit"

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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pointsofdata posted:

what are the odds that mtgox is currently trading while insolvent?

insolvency isn't a problem for the bitcoin world.

fractional reserve though...

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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Don Lapre posted:

How is .1btc collateral for 1btc?

cargo culting financial transations

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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TVarmy posted:

I want to start a business that involves setting up accounts and a new POS protocol that falls back to an established debit card system, and it has to be free.

oh, note he didn't say he wanted to start and run it.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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when will it get to the post scarcity society where bitcoin ceases to exist?

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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gox is trying so hard to break 400 and idiots are trying so hard to keep it from happening.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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Joementum posted:

It's going to take quite a bit. There's over "600 BTC" in pretend combined buy orders right at 400.

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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Cybernetic Vermin posted:

thing is, i cant imagine they have the money to make everyone whole either way. so something bad will have to go down. it really depends on how much they put in the hot wallet for payouts, because the sudden skyrocket of failed payout transactions from gox we had like last week was no doubt their system trying to send out transactions from a wallet that had already been emptied due to the malleable transaction issue

should be possible to look at the blockchain and get an idea of how much it could be, but that seems like an awful lot of effort

it is possible that they didn't lose any bitcoin and the failed transactions were just an issue of internal systems not syncing up. you could have, for example, one system which tracks the wallets to be used for the day's payouts and tells the payout system which addresses to pull from. the payout system pulls from that wallet, marks the transaction as completed, and passes the TX ID to the tracking system. but the tracking system never sees that tx id hit the main blockchain and thinks "oh well this address still has 100butts according to my reckoning, pull from it" next time a transaction needs to go out, and that fails.

i could see why you wouldn't want to rewrite all your systems (and introduce lord knows how many new bugs) when it is the protocol itself that is hosed up and there is presently a huge rush to fix it.

the problem is we don't know that gox is solvent or not. almost like some sort of overseeing body which would be able to look at their records would be a good thing. that would be hard to do because people have stuff to do and setting up something like that would require a bunch of work so perhaps it could be appointed by a group of people who were voted on by everyone. could call it the Satoshi Exchange Cooperative.

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Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

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BeOSPOS posted:

how does bitcoin "revolutionize charitable giving"? either you give or you don't and either you care about the charity or you just want a tax write off.
by far just give cash if you want a super fluid donation the has no fees and can allow some anonymity.

but does cash have the ability to send 25 cents at 3AM?! think about the benefits to charity like      and      .

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