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Rhonne posted:It's pretty unsatisfying to have Deku finally get through to Shiggy only for him to ultimately reject being saved("I have to keep being a hero to the villains of the world") just so we can have All For One come back with the "It was me all along!" villain speech to be the actual thing that gets Shigaraki to stop trying to destroy the world. What, are we going to find out All For One made Shiggy's dad beat him, too? Honestly....yeah we probably will.
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Rhonne posted:What, are we going to find out All For One made Shiggy's dad beat him, too? At this point, I wouldn't be surprised. AFO will probably also be behind Bakugo bullying Deku in school, Ochako being poor, Mineta being a pervert, Gentle failing to have a successful YouTube career, Endeavor being a dick to Inasa, Momo's insecurities, and Mina not getting as much screentime as she deserves.
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I figured this was a given for literal years since the insanely conspicuous page in Shigaraki's original flashback when he fought Redestro showing the mysterious suit/hat guy bringing him home one day. Can't say I like the twist but eh, it kind of works either way even if I'd have preferred Shiggy being a mutant like Eri since I think that works much better with the narrative. Eri's power could've easily turned her into a psychologically hosed up villain, but she wanted to be saved and was. Shiggy wanted to be saved, but he wasn't. Saving people's lives vs saving people's hearts, etc etc.
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https://www.viz.com/shonenjump/my-hero-academia-chapter-418/chapter/42196?action=read https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1020706 what a "twist"
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i know that my expectations for this story were perhaps too high to start with, but i think that when you call your setting "hero SOCIETY" then you should not assign blame for literally every single possible societal ill on a Really lovely Guy
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Mar 31, 2024 17:28
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You thought the last boss would be Shimura Tenko, but it was me,
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Mar 31, 2024 17:42
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I already made the obligatory Rise of Skywalker joke, so I'll turn around and point out that All for One saying that All Might missed his opportunity to bow out of the story gracefully really is a hilariously ironic remark, in hindsight.
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Mar 31, 2024 18:58
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I'll be honest, AfO popping up again is undermining what could have been a fantastic thematic moment. Shigaraki, even once you get past his trauma, is still committed to the path he chose and the people he loves. You can't just fix one person's hurt and declare the issue solved when the issue is systematic; when for every Shigaraki you save at the right moment there are one, ten, one hundred who no one decided to help. His Origin is where he started, but he's grown beyond it! ...except, no, he would have been totally fine and fixed if only there hadn't been The Evilest Man.
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Mar 31, 2024 21:15
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AFO is reverse jesus, he took it upon himself to commit all of mankind's sins personally.
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Coming back on Easter sunday... 
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Mymla posted:AFO is reverse jesus, he took it upon himself to commit all of mankind's sins personally. lmfao
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Mymla posted:AFO is reverse jesus, he took it upon himself to commit all of mankind's sins personally. This is correct
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Mar 31, 2024 22:34
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This better be a fakeout of sorts, if they really go "actually, AFO made Tomura's dad be abusive" then it's so over. Up 'till now I still thought it was fine landing what it wanted to land
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AfO did sorta make Shigaraki's dad be abusive, though indirectly. The main reason Shiggy's dad was a hosed up abuser is because Nana was forced to leave him to do hero stuff/fight AfO, and then AfO killed her so there was never any chance to reunite or reconcile. I doubt we'll see "AfO mind controlled Shigaraki's dad to beat him" here. I'm assuming the big reveal will be that AfO gave him decay.
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MorningMoon posted:This better be a fakeout of sorts, if they really go "actually, AFO made Tomura's dad be abusive" then it's so over. Up 'till now I still thought it was fine landing what it wanted to land Turns out he also used that same quirk to influence Endeavor. Not part of a scheme, just to be funny.
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There's something that bothered me for the longest time. AFO picked up Shigaraki way before All Might caved his skull in, so that leads to the question why he decided to take Shigaraki in as his protege. After thinking about it, my guess is he wasn't planning to make Shigaraki his protege, but an assassin meant to kill All Might and mock him with his former master's family at the same time. It was only after losing to All Might that he decided to make Shigaraki an actual protege and had to course correct hard from a weapon to an actual person.
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Dr Garaki said that Dabi and the orphanage were backups incase things fell through with Shigaraki and there's no reason to believe he was lying.
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If you're a supervillain with near full control of society and a very extended lifespan you start doing things like this just to set up contingencies that you can take advantage of in the future to gently caress with people. Keeps ya interested and active. It's like how he sent an assassin after Deku, who was programmed to bait Deku onto a wild goose chase only to blow up the house once he was there.
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Apr 1, 2024 01:28
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Just handing out abusive dad quirks
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Kild posted:Just handing out abusive dad quirks It was integral to his research on how to reproduce quirks.
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I don’t see why people are so down on the AFO twist with Shigaraki, it was telegraphed from miles away and it’s just another link in the chain of AFO loving with OFA holders to turn Nana’s grandson into a family killing decay bomb
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Frankly though I’m just glad MHA can solve racism, economic depression and climate change by punting one guy really hard
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Just because something is telegraphed doesn't mean it's good. Like I said before, it's pretty unsatisfying that the thing that will finally get Shigaraki to stand down isn't Deku, but because All For One betrays him and reveals that he was actually the cause of his childhood trauma all along.
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Rhonne posted:Just because something is telegraphed doesn't mean it's good. This is the main point of contention. I imagine just about everyone realized it was heavily possible for AFO to work his way back into the story given that there were two of him. The problem is that AFO has, to date, had four defeats (All Might's retirement, Endeavor forcing him to use Rewind, Shiggy reasserting control, Bakugo beating up a baby) and he still is shoving his potato head into the story to make the story revolve around him at every twist and turn.
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TheKingofSprings posted:I don’t see why people are so down on the AFO twist with Shigaraki, it was telegraphed from miles away It being telegraphed has no bearing on whether or not it's interesting or good writing. I agree that it fits easily into the narrative that's been written in current manga, but I would point out I think that statement alone is an indicator of its poor quality.
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It’s bad but I’ve been operating on the assumption this was going to be the case for years so it’s hard to be particularly affected by it.
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"We beat the poo poo out of this baby, we were right to do it and by god we'd do it again if that baby showed its face in front of us again." Hero Society is powerful
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Your honor, it was a really evil baby
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That baby was essentially Pandora's Box. By allowing that baby to live and not murdering it immediately we caused evil, disease, famine, and kicking your toe on the corner of the table or couch into this world. In a just world we would baby together to create some sort of time manipulation device to go back and thwart his evil baby deeds, but the best we can settle for is reverting that man back to a baby and doing it then. God bless
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Even if AfO were just reversed to a baby, and thus opening up the chance for "rehabilitation", it'd be raised in "Generation Alpha (or Beta?)" so who knows if it'd even have a chance of being a better person.
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I think the thematic issues are basically covered by Tenko admitting that even if he let go of his hatred he still wants to be a "hero" for the "villains" (hilarious that Magne wasn't there though). Even if AFO engineered him getting Decay and that caused all the horrible poo poo that happened to him, it still happened. I'm not sure what acknowledging AFO's presence here adds because Tenko is still Tenko and he still had a hosed up life; vanquishing AFO yet again brings us back around to Tenko still wanting to be a hero to HIS friends. I'll consider this something of a failure if the end is just "uhhh yeah the league all died so we don't have to think about what would happen to them afterward" or "they're thrown into a ultramax but they kinda feel bad about what they did now so they're cool with it". I can't imagine Horikoshi not at least signaling in the ending that the world changed in the way that ordinary people wouldn't let someone like Tenko suffer on their own again, but who knows.
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The League all integrates into society without issue, except Toga who is still shunned. Not because of the blood sucking, but because she's still a weirdo aside from that.
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oh jay posted:The League all integrates into society without issue, except Toga who is still shunned. Not because of the blood sucking, but because she's still a weirdo aside from that. Meanwhile Dabi: 
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Scholtz posted:Even if AfO were just reversed to a baby, and thus opening up the chance for "rehabilitation", it'd be raised in "Generation Alpha (or Beta?)" so who knows if it'd even have a chance of being a better person. We also got to see All for Baby express clearly that he was still evil and still trying to kill people. no redemption!
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oh jay posted:The League all integrates into society without issue, except Toga who is still shunned. Not because of the blood sucking, but because she's still a weirdo aside from that. hosed up future Japan is still homophobic
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TheHan posted:We also got to see All for Baby express clearly that he was still evil and still trying to kill people. no redemption! Honestly I would've been down for "eri reverts them to children" idea if AFO had simply still been evil for no reason even while being raised lovingly and attentively. terrible on a thematic level sure but incredibly, incredibly funny
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AfO's actual quirk is being genetically evil and all the power stealing stuff is just a random mutation.
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Kanos posted:AfO's actual quirk is being genetically evil and all the power stealing stuff is just a random mutation. That's two completely unrelated quirks. Next you'll be telling me that someone could have both fire and ice powers, but I'm supposed to believe it's just one singular quirk somehow.
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For someone who's been plotting like he's speeding to the end, Horikoshi sure likes to drag this poo poo out
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