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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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I am kinda liking this show.

Mainly because the script is challenging a lot of the aspects that you don't often see in this sort of thing - in particular the tension between having fun and being successful, and also the force of peer pressure. Still I suspect that by the end this will all fall by the wayside and they'll reach the nationals by the power of friendship or whatever.

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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Yes_Cantaloupe posted:

Even with that, she has university ahead of her, "the childhood of the Japanese." It's pretty transparently the creators looking back with misty eyes, as I suspect most HS seniors, even in Japan, are looking forward rather than back.

Well, only a minority of women go to university in Japan, and in any case she would be separated from her high school friends.

Fangz fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Apr 15, 2015

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Butt Frosted Cake posted:

where are you getting your numbers from? worldbank shows only 61% of japanese go to post-secondary with 90 female to 100 male ratio. that's 55% of women bro, if I'm reading that right

I was looking at the spreadsheets on the Japanese educational ministry. Anyway it doesn't super matter whether it's 55 or 49 or whatever.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Well this show is depressing.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Davincie posted:

i haven't actually seen it, but i was under the impression kanon and clannad were the most melodramatic depressing type of anime imaginable

I suppose you can make the case that those shows take things to such extremes of 'sad girls dying of plot cancer in the rain' that it isn't affecting any more. Meanwhile something as grounded as 'all your dreams are crumbling into dust because your classmates can't be bothered' hits much closer to home.

I feel like a pattern is emerging these days: anime adapted from novels (not light novels) are actually good. Well, Eccentric Family, Shinsekai Yori, and Tatami Galaxy fit the pattern anyway.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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This show is still good.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Now I want it to timeskip forward and show they are all depressed professional concert musicians.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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What? I liked it a lot.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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I think you can't be more wrong.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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I think the social dynamics amongst the band members are one of the most interesting things in the show. This episode added to that a lot. (Last episode was rather weak in my mind because I was worried that that aspect was going away.) Now I understand why there is resentment over Kousaka potentially going for the solo trumpet role, given Kaori's efforts last year, when before it just read as jealousy. Also we know what Natsuki's deal is, now.

I'm perfectly fine with Midori never getting an episode. Something like Shirobako already shows that really they don't need to particularly focus on the 'main group' at all.

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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Yeah, also it seems like Kumiko has become complacent over her euphonium role - especially with her depression over Aoi leaving, while Natsuki has become invigorated over it.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Yeees. Go for it, Kyoani. It's definitely the relationship that makes the most sense the way things have been set up.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Look at that direction.



Edit: well, okay, the colours are edited but still

Fangz fucked around with this message at 00:46 on May 27, 2015

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Small things I liked:

Reina is so intense she downloaded a flashlight app for her phone for this night, but she didn't consider reasonable shoes

Both of them had remembered the notes to that duet off by heart

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Next episode, Kumiko debugs Reina's phone.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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aers posted:

they dont have to kiss to be in a relationship

They can get married, and then hold hands.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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I still believe in kyoani

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Yes, the only interpretation I can have of a Shuichi end is that it would be intentionally tragic, showing how as time passes our dreams crumble and we settle for whatever is safe and familiar and dull.

Fast forward 20 years and housewife Kumiko cleans a cold and silent flat and finds a rusting euphonium beneath a pile of mouldy boxes. She tries to play it but could make no sound. She throws it out. The end.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Either way Shuichi will be a perfectly competent investment banker.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Some nights he posts on redpill subreddits about how SJWs ruined his harem protagonist destiny. He deletes his posts in the morning.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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ultimatemegax posted:

I'm guessing you, like most of the 99.999999999999999999999% of people commenting about the novels in English, haven't read it. Since I can't actively talk about the novels, but people who haven't feel free to spoil them, all I can say is that you're incredibly wrong because most of the talk centered around them is about poo poo that isn't really relevant in them. The past four days have shown how toxic the Western anime fandom is, including people here.

That's, uh, really vague.

EDIT: I mean, wading into a discussion with 'SOME OF YOU ARE WRONG' is kinda unhelpful.

Fangz fucked around with this message at 17:52 on May 31, 2015

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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ultimatemegax posted:

It's really vague because "eww, something I read about the novels is disgusting" is also, uh, really vague.

Alright, thanks for that. That's actually reassuring because it seems quite reasonable to change towards an anime-original ending.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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aers posted:

https://twitter.com/eupho_not_lily/with_replies

This person is very mad about KyoAni's plot changes.

The rage on MAL is also hilarious.

quote:

Always before watching each anime, especially those who have a female MC, and several meminas, i researching on various websites, read various summary, LN and extra materials. to see if contains yuri, or relationship between same sex, if have such I ignore the anime, and do not start watching.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Still hoping. Still diminishing and attacking the royals.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:

I'm pretty sure kousaka would have been really upset if she hadn't gotten the solo parts.

I kinda want to believe that she had a similar thing that Kumiko did and her encounter with Kumiko helped motivate her, though.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Darth Walrus posted:

I've gotta say, though, if they don't pair up Kumiko and Reina, then the most explicitly gay character in the series (the trumpet girl with the bow) being an obnoxious 'psycho lesbian' stereotype would be mildly awkward.

Well, Kaori and Haruka seem much closer.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Darth Walrus posted:

Yeah, but they just seem like good friends, nothing obviously romantic. Bow-girl has an obvious and explicit crush on Kaori - see also, when she got pissed at being shot down after asking her out on a festival date.

Oh, I had missed that.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Cialis Railman posted:

Man poo poo just keeps getting bad for Hazuki doesn't it?

I would love if they address this, really. While Hazuki might believe that 'a job of a tuba is support', it's not necessarily a healthy attitude at the end of the day because it feels like she's sort of repressing her personal sense of disappointment by pushing that expectation on to others.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Clarste posted:

She only started playing a couple of months ago. Of course she didn't get past the audition. I would say the theme of her character arc is "there's always next year", rather than just suppressing her disappointment. Life isn't just about instant gratification.

That might be the lesson she needs to learn, but I'm not convinced that she learnt it.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Clarste posted:

Didn't she learn it too well already? They chastised her for not considering freshman prodigies next year, and therefore she needs to keep practicing regularly instead of just assuming she'll magically be better by next year.

They did tell her that but it didn't stick until she played with the others and got the idea that her job was support. (That is to say, when she was rewarded with an instant evidence of making progress.) She also was the one who was most impatient about the audition.

Of course the question now is whether she will keep on practicing now that she is out of the competition team.

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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Hungryjack posted:

gently caress that trombone

No, don't gently caress the trombone, Kumiko.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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“Straight Trumpet”

:(

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Cialis Railman posted:

gently caress this straight earth

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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There is no God.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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From what I've heard there are three more episodes.

I am slowly getting over my disappointment at this point. From a objective viewpoint the show is still good, just... Sigh.

Oh well, hopefully there are good fanfics.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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drat it, Kyoani.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Davincie posted:

its happening people. kyoan subtext has become text

I don't know what to think any more.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Maybe Taki reasoned that if the band wasn't able to put aside such feelings in this situation, then no, they didn't deserve to win.

Also, interesting vote divide at the end of the day. Significant that Shuichi did not vote for Reina?

EDIT: Also I suspect that deep down, the band knew that Reina was better even before the auditions - Ribbon-girl certainly knew. So not doing it blind would not have changed things. People would have pretended to not know the difference, while Ribbon-girl would have certainly recognised Kaori's playing.

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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Endorph posted:

honestly shuichi getting treated like such a chump is actually making me kind of like him

not that i'd want him to end up with kumi, god no, but he's a neat character to have around. He isn't a bad guy, really, he's just kind of default Boy.

Shuichi isn't needed when characters can just talk to each other instead of spreading poo poo about each other behind their backs.

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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Endorph posted:

they're high schoolers

Hehe.

Another thought strikes me - if the people out of the competition are gonna play together, is Shuichi having trouble with the trombone a leadup to him dropping out and ending up with Hazuki after all? Let me have my hope.

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