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manyak posted:I usually disagree when people online accuse the UFC of protecting fighters since they basically never do it to the degree you see in boxing or whatever, but Northcutt might be the exception, theres no way they are gonna let him fight anyone who might beat him for a really long time especially since hes so young. He will be knocking out fat guys for years to come even then i don't think they would be exactly "protecting him" so much as "matching him up with guys who are appropriate for his level of skill and experience"
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Marching Powder posted:Was it Roger Gracie who went on record saying 'Chris Weidman could probably submit ne'? If so I don't think I'd give anyone in the ufc middleweight division except for jacare the title of Better Than Weidman at BJJ. tim kennedy would have subbed roger in a five round fight if he wanted to
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manyak posted:I think rockhold is by far weidmans toughest fight yet in terms of style matchup, somehow I see rockhold winning a close fight but i also wouldnt be surprised if weidman came out with a perfect game plan and beat him really badly. so basically I dont know personally i feel like if rockhold's going to win, it's not going to look close at all and is probably going to be a body kick blowout. i think he's a great grappler but if that's what he ends up doing with weidman he's probably going to spend more time on the bottom than on top.
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Bluedeanie posted:I agree with the argument that Weidman is definitely better at striking and wrestling than Rockhold. I understand the inclination to say Rockhold is the better submission grappler based on their recent fights and overall fighting styles, and I think that may be true, but I struggle to concede that in confidence just because of Weidman's background and training style. i don't think "submission grappler" is a thing anymore, either you can pass guard and take a guy's back and fight for a RNC, or a guy gets rocked and gets guillotined, or he's bad and gets caught with something. there are of course obvious exceptions of specialists (palhares and the heel hook, glover with the arm triangle) but even then you can look at a guy like glover who uses the same guard pass to mount to arm triangle sequence to beat a bunch of guys and just learn to stop that.
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Marching Powder posted:you're absolutely right dude touche good talk Marching Powder posted:Hahahahaha Marching Powder posted:Maybe, just maybe, Marching Powder posted:. - hypersensitive forums poster Nice tantrum
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Seltzer posted:Nice tantrum Shut up, you whining infant.
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Seltzer posted:Nice tantrum look man, when i called your original opinion into question, i did so in a vague, offhand, unconfirmed way and honestly rockhold might be a better grappler. who knows. what i do know is it's extremely funny that you'd immediately start doing bizarre mental gymnastics saying that roger would lie about weidman's level in bjj so your opinion can remain pure and unsullied. it's pretty loving weird.
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david carmichael posted:i don't think "submission grappler" is a thing anymore, either you can pass guard and take a guy's back and fight for a RNC, or a guy gets rocked and gets guillotined, or he's bad and gets caught with something. there are of course obvious exceptions of specialists (palhares and the heel hook, glover with the arm triangle) but even then you can look at a guy like glover who uses the same guard pass to mount to arm triangle sequence to beat a bunch of guys and just learn to stop that. I get what you mean. I was thinking more in terms of the quality of his submissions and how cool they are, like an inverted triangle Kimura on Boetsch, a one-armed guillotine against Bisping or just a well-timed choke on Machida. But come to think of it those all come off of hurting his opponent on the feet anyway so I guess that my description was still inaccurate and it fits with what you're saying.
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I dislike Rockhold because he's a dingus who looks like a stereotypical surfer dude and I like Weidman because he's a dingus who looks like a cool fun teddy bear buddy.
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Rockhold is good at grabbing subs in scrambles, especially after he hurts a guy. If he hurts Weidman I wouldn't be shocked to see him snatch a sub on him, but in any prolonged grappling sequence I would expect Weidman to get the better of things.
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Triticum Guzzler posted:personally i feel like if rockhold's going to win, it's not going to look close at all and is probably going to be a body kick blowout. i think he's a great grappler but if that's what he ends up doing with weidman he's probably going to spend more time on the bottom than on top. yeah one of the things I could see happening is Rockhold hurting Weidman with body kicks and then not letting up with pressure but also not able to sub or TKO weidman and then the fight keeps going. If weidman beats rockhold easily it will be insanely impressive even though there will unfortunately always be the Vitor KO of rockhold to remember as proof that he sucks
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fatherdog posted:Rockhold is good at grabbing subs in scrambles, especially after he hurts a guy. If he hurts Weidman I wouldn't be shocked to see him snatch a sub on him, but in any prolonged grappling sequence I would expect Weidman to get the better of things. If either guy gets top position the other is going be in trouble. Maybe, who knows this fight is intriguing.
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GSP on the MMA Hour was really worth a listen. He said the discussion he had with Dana and Lorenzo backstage was all about PEDs, he named people, "said a bunch of F words" and they wouldn't take him seriously, and he was really angry about them not backing him when he tried to bring the testing for his last fight.
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Triticum Guzzler posted:personally i feel like if rockhold's going to win, it's not going to look close at all and is probably going to be a body kick blowout. i think he's a great grappler but if that's what he ends up doing with weidman he's probably going to spend more time on the bottom than on top. i have a strange suspicion that weidman will come out with a game plan to strike rockhold to get him into the clinch and work for takedowns from there. I'm not sure how much evidence I have for it, but I think Weidman will try and tie him up and really dirty the fight up for the first few rounds until he can separate a little and get off first at close range in rounds 3 through 5. i think Weidman definitely has the footwork to get it there and the clinch chops to keep it there mostly, but if rockhold turns out to be faster and stronger and either turns him around a lot or keeps off the fence, it could be super interesting. i dont see a lot of ground stuff happening in the first two and a half rounds. basically I'm really pumped to see this and the next two or three MW title fights
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EmmyOk posted:I have convinced a good number of pals to come over and get drunk for 194. Some are big boxing heads and are asking for some good technical but still very exciting UFC fights to watch beforehand. Recommendations? Hunt/Bigfoot 1 Lim/Saffiedine Rory/Lawler e: VVVV yeah mewse fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Dec 1, 2015 |
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EmmyOk posted:I have convinced a good number of pals to come over and get drunk for 194. Some are big boxing heads and are asking for some good technical but still very exciting UFC fights to watch beforehand. Recommendations? Aldo vs Hominick
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I feel like the edge has to go to Weidman just because of his coaches and camp. Plus Weidman being lighter going into the final stretch of his camp is going to help his gas tank. That being said Rockhold's looked good enough that it wouldn't be shocking for him to win. It's a very good fight. As far as Jacare and Yoel I still have a feeling the fight gets called off for some reason, probably a failed drug test. 
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manyak posted:I think rockhold is by far weidmans toughest fight yet in terms of style matchup, somehow I see rockhold winning a close fight but i also wouldnt be surprised if weidman came out with a perfect game plan and beat him really badly. so basically I dont know TheRationalRedditor fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Dec 1, 2015 |
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david carmichael posted:tim kennedy would have subbed roger in a five round fight if he wanted to Only at 185.
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EmmyOk posted:I have convinced a good number of pals to come over and get drunk for 194. Some are big boxing heads and are asking for some good technical but still very exciting UFC fights to watch beforehand. Recommendations? Frankie Edgar's career, but if you had to pick one Edgar/Maynard 3.
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EmmyOk posted:I have convinced a good number of pals to come over and get drunk for 194. Some are big boxing heads and are asking for some good technical but still very exciting UFC fights to watch beforehand. Recommendations? Also TKZ vs Poirier
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Skip My Posts posted:weidman tko Yeah
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Work Friend Keven posted:Luke Rock Hold and Chris Wide Man are both the same fake named person iirc so I don't think the fight will happen actually that's a common misconception, in their homeland the names are hold luke rock and man chris wide
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How does Rockhold deal with pressure? His win against Machida is impressive but Machida is almost the exact opposite of Weidman style-wise.
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Fozzy The Bear posted:GSP on the MMA Hour was really worth a listen. He said the discussion he had with Dana and Lorenzo backstage was all about PEDs, he named people, "said a bunch of F words" and they wouldn't take him seriously, and he was really angry about them not backing him when he tried to bring the testing for his last fight. GSP is a baby that has named a bunch of different things that were all "a huge part of why he stepped away". First it was personal issues and we all speculated he was gay or knocked up a girl or whatever, then he decided he was tired of getting punched in the head and was losing time, then he didn't think the UFC backed him hard enough on his voluntary testing that could not really be done because there was no standard in place for such a thing even though he totally sent someone to dumpster dive outside of Johnys house and found a bunch of PEDs and told Dana who refused to take his word on this and unilaterally issue a ban on a fighter and ruin a title fight or whatever. I'm just sick of hearing about this poo poo.
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:GSP is a baby that has named a bunch of different things that were all "a huge part of why he stepped away". First it was personal issues and we all speculated he was gay or knocked up a girl or whatever, then he decided he was tired of getting punched in the head and was losing time, then he didn't think the UFC backed him hard enough on his voluntary testing that could not really be done because there was no standard in place for such a thing even though he totally sent someone to dumpster dive outside of Johnys house and found a bunch of PEDs and told Dana who refused to take his word on this and unilaterally issue a ban on a fighter and ruin a title fight or whatever. this is a strange stance to take on the issue. i respect gsp for using what weight he had to try and clean up the sport a little and johny's refusal to be tested basically screamed 'i'm on gear' and he's definitely the piece of poo poo in the scenario.
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:GSP is a baby that has named a bunch of different things that were all "a huge part of why he stepped away". First it was personal issues and we all speculated he was gay or knocked up a girl or whatever, then he decided he was tired of getting punched in the head and was losing time, then he didn't think the UFC backed him hard enough on his voluntary testing that could not really be done because there was no standard in place for such a thing even though he totally sent someone to dumpster dive outside of Johnys house and found a bunch of PEDs and told Dana who refused to take his word on this and unilaterally issue a ban on a fighter and ruin a title fight or whatever. I agree.
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Marching Powder posted:this is a strange stance to take on the issue. i respect gsp for using what weight he had to try and clean up the sport a little and johny's refusal to be tested basically screamed 'i'm on gear' and he's definitely the piece of poo poo in the scenario. That's an opinion I guess but since you're a known meth addict I'm going to discount it. You're welcome to send me your drug test results if you want to try and tell me you aren't addicted to the drug meth I guess. Just trying to make America safer.
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Work Friend Keven posted:That's an opinion I guess but since you're a known meth addict I'm going to discount it. You're welcome to send me your drug test results if you want to try and tell me you aren't addicted to the drug meth I guess. Just trying to make America safer. i could deny being a meth addict while visibly startled and scratching a single spot on my arm and sway more people than johny did with his reasons.
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Bluedeanie posted:actually that's a common misconception, in their homeland the names are hold luke rock and man chris wide Actually, it's wide chris man. Best Friends posted:How does Rockhold deal with pressure? His win against Machida is impressive but Machida is almost the exact opposite of Weidman style-wise. Rockhold is pretty mobile, and his reach and kicks give him a few options for firing and then moving. Tactically, he'll probably be fine with Weidman putting the fight in front of him him. Jesus, his fight against Jacare was 4 years ago. I was gonna try to draw something from that, but too much time has passed.
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EmmyOk posted:I have convinced a good number of pals to come over and get drunk for 194. Some are big boxing heads and are asking for some good technical but still very exciting UFC fights to watch beforehand. Recommendations? I mean it kind of goes without saying that playing all of Mcgregor's fights from his last couple in Cage Warriors (on youtube in decent quality) all the way to 189. After that watch the world tour embedded series, because together the 10-part series played all together at once is like a movie length trailer for the Aldo/Mcgregor. Point them towards The Notorious on fightpass if they become fans of his promos. Other than that and all the other ones mentioned; Frankie Edgar/Tyson Griffin Lawler/Macdonald II Diaz/Lawler Aldo/Mendes II Henderson/Thatch Duffy/Lindsey Joanna Champion/Calderwood & all of Thomas Almeida's fights so far
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