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Man, this manga is fantastic. Genuinely one of my favorites running right now, Fukamoto is just so good at writing characters in realistic(ally depressing) situations.
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Apr 3, 2024 20:32
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It’s been five years since chapter 1
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Apr 3, 2024 21:05
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MonsterEnvy posted:It’s been six years since chapter 1
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Apr 3, 2024 21:09
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I can get the Golf exam but he really spend two years without advancing his relationship...
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Apr 4, 2024 05:48
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The way years pass by in this manga like it's nothing is giving me existential dread.
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Apr 4, 2024 10:19
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New Kaiji, sort of - the prequel/short story Kaiji before Espoir has gotten translated
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Apr 30, 2024 01:31
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Petiso posted:The way years pass by in this manga like it's nothing is giving me existential dread. It is accurate! FKMT understands the human condition.
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May 1, 2024 02:07
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Petiso posted:The way years pass by in this manga like it's nothing is giving me existential dread. Yup, I caught up on Golf manga since the thread seemed to like it, and I didn't really expect the passing years to hit me as hard as they did. I'm really rooting for him, but that last Kirishima chapter put those feelings into perspective. And we're 2-3 years past that chapter now too. overeager overeater posted:New Kaiji, sort of - the prequel/short story Kaiji before Espoir has gotten translated This was cute, though I'd be sad if it turned out Bongo was the friend who ditched Kaiji on the loan that started off the series. 
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May 1, 2024 03:52
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Ventana posted:Yup, I caught up on Golf manga since the thread seemed to like it, and I didn't really expect the passing years to hit me as hard as they did. I'm really rooting for him, but that last Kirishima chapter put those feelings into perspective. And we're 2-3 years past that chapter now too. nah, that guy is named in the first chapter
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May 1, 2024 04:27
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Ringo Roadagain posted:nah, that guy is named in the first chapter I think he also shows up later in one of the gambles. It didn't go well for him.
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May 1, 2024 04:47
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He shows up for the first gamble and with Kaiji's help gets his debt eliminated. Though he is also convinced to betray Kaiji to make more money.
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May 1, 2024 06:51
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My bad I completely forgot. Apparently he was the other guy that was helping Kaiji during restricted Janken, alongside Ando. And Ando was such a dick that I forgot an important plot line. Kinda weird to me then, cause the reason Kaiji had the debt was that Takeshi bailed on him and the debt transferred to Kaiji. But if Teiai found Takeshi anyways and put him on the espoir, shouldn’t that mean they just give the debt back to Takeshi, no longer needing Kaiji? I know Teiai is evil etc, I just never actually had a co-signer bail on me so idk what’d happen. If Espoir-arc also talked about this then I forgot
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May 1, 2024 12:30
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I think co-signing means they were both in debt. Teiai logic would send both to the espoir even Takeshi didnt disappear on kaiji.
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May 1, 2024 16:45
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I'm kind of curious if Nikaidou is ever going to actually become successful at golf, since everything we've seen indicates that he's just straight-up not good enough, with Nikaidou himself commenting on how Kirishima is simply more skilled than him during practice. So even if Nikaidou has been getting unlucky during the pro test and could conceivably pass it, he just doesn't seem to have a very bright future in the sport (and this doesn't seem like the sort of series where there'd be a sudden turn-around without some sort of reasonable explanation). Also, was it ever explained what the deal with the little shadow man early on was? Is that just supposed to be his self-doubt or something? I don't remember seeing it any time recently.
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May 2, 2024 21:09
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Ytlaya posted:I'm kind of curious if Nikaidou is ever going to actually become successful at golf, since everything we've seen indicates that he's just straight-up not good enough, with Nikaidou himself commenting on how Kirishima is simply more skilled than him during practice. So even if Nikaidou has been getting unlucky during the pro test and could conceivably pass it, he just doesn't seem to have a very bright future in the sport (and this doesn't seem like the sort of series where there'd be a sudden turn-around without some sort of reasonable explanation). I bet the little shadow man is his golf skill that he has been ignoring.
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May 2, 2024 21:28
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Surely next chapter will be the start of the mahjong arc.
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May 2, 2024 21:31
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I feel bad that I burst out laughing when Kasumi in the caterpillar suit appeared during the idol performance. It was so pitiful that it crossed the line into funny.
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May 2, 2024 22:23
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Ytlaya posted:I'm kind of curious if Nikaidou is ever going to actually become successful at golf, since everything we've seen indicates that he's just straight-up not good enough, with Nikaidou himself commenting on how Kirishima is simply more skilled than him during practice. So even if Nikaidou has been getting unlucky during the pro test and could conceivably pass it, he just doesn't seem to have a very bright future in the sport (and this doesn't seem like the sort of series where there'd be a sudden turn-around without some sort of reasonable explanation). It's hard to say, as there really isn't a "good" option for Nikaidou involving golf. He's obviously good at golf, just not to the point where he can be a professional - so like you said, I doubt he'd be able to be successful even if he did pass the test. Theoretically his arc should be about him accepting that he's just not going to be good enough...but then where does that leave him? He's seemingly devoted his whole life to this dream, if it doesn't work out then there's not really anywhere for him to go. If he quits, does he just work at the golf club until he retires? The typical shonen solution would be he hunkers down and devotes himself to a training arc and finally improves to the point of success, but this very obviously isn't that kind of story. This is a much more brutally realistic story, and realistically that just isn't going to happen. I think the only good outcome for him is to quit, but find happiness and fulfillment in something else. I suspect this is partially why it's called "Hell" golf - the sport itself is Nikaidou's own personal hell that he can't escape until he leaves the game itself. However knowing how stubborn he is, I kind of doubt he'll ever let that happen.
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May 2, 2024 23:16
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CodfishCartographer posted:It's hard to say, as there really isn't a "good" option for Nikaidou involving golf. He's obviously good at golf, just not to the point where he can be a professional - so like you said, I doubt he'd be able to be successful even if he did pass the test. Theoretically his arc should be about him accepting that he's just not going to be good enough...but then where does that leave him? He's seemingly devoted his whole life to this dream, if it doesn't work out then there's not really anywhere for him to go. If he quits, does he just work at the golf club until he retires? The typical shonen solution would be he hunkers down and devotes himself to a training arc and finally improves to the point of success, but this very obviously isn't that kind of story. This is a much more brutally realistic story, and realistically that just isn't going to happen. Maybe he can teach golf or something. That's seemingly the main path you can go down (that still involves music) if you try to get professional at classical music and can't pull it off. Though I have no loving idea how stuff like this even works for golf. It's a weird sport! Are golf tutors even a thing?
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May 3, 2024 18:09
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Yes. Nikaidou was even offered to take over some lucrative private lessons and refused.
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May 3, 2024 18:31
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I could easily see him going goddamn berserk if a student of his passed the test first try lmao
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May 3, 2024 19:04
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Nikaidou's story would certainly fit one of those stereotypical old grumpy trainer characters that couldn't realize his dream and tries to live it through the pupil they reluctantly take. Then again, on one hand, those characters are usually legitimately good at what they do, on the other hand, a loser golfer getting a loser trainer is the kind of story that certainly fits FKMT's style.
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May 3, 2024 20:34
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Petiso posted:Nikaidou's story would certainly fit one of those stereotypical old grumpy trainer characters that couldn't realize his dream and tries to live it through the pupil they reluctantly take. Tbf Nikaidou is probably quite good, even if he isn't pro-level. The guy's been basically practicing golf full-time for almost his entire adult life. He might be good at teaching people up to a pretty high level. Nikaidou's level of "talent" in general is a bit unclear, though. I get the impression that his early progress was unusually fast. And he did better in his first few tests than he's doing in his current ones, which does point towards there maybe being some sort of mindset barrier. So his career trajectory isn't exactly consistent with "a guy who has always just been kind of mediocre."
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May 3, 2024 20:50
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How much does one's age impact their golfing skill, anyways? It's not a sport that requires strength or agility like Baseball or Football, but does require precision and dexterity. Not sure if his age is a significant factor or not at this point.
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May 3, 2024 20:59
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CodfishCartographer posted:It's hard to say, as there really isn't a "good" option for Nikaidou involving golf. He's obviously good at golf, just not to the point where he can be a professional - so like you said, I doubt he'd be able to be successful even if he did pass the test. Theoretically his arc should be about him accepting that he's just not going to be good enough...but then where does that leave him? He's seemingly devoted his whole life to this dream, if it doesn't work out then there's not really anywhere for him to go. If he quits, does he just work at the golf club until he retires? The typical shonen solution would be he hunkers down and devotes himself to a training arc and finally improves to the point of success, but this very obviously isn't that kind of story. This is a much more brutally realistic story, and realistically that just isn't going to happen. I mean, if he passed the test, then he'd have a better position, in theory at least, to quit playing pro with his head held high, and would be better able to be a teacher. He got over the biggest hurdle, he can help his students get there, and he could hate them much less for succeeding, because he'd have the mental excuse that, hey, he didn't have his expert guidance to jump that first barrier quickly. The real kicker here is that he's good enough to know he's got talent, but not quite good enough (or lucky enough) to pass the barrier and get external confirmation that he can rest on and point to no matter how he falls after.
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May 3, 2024 21:42
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This is unrelated, but I really liked the whole scene at the swing with Kirishima (and the dynamic between Kirishima and Nikaidou in general). Just everything about the actions/reactions on both sides was extremely believable. And then later, when Kirishima quits, and the narrator points out that he was absolutely taking Nikaidou seriously at the time. I can't really think of any other manga authors who portray people so realistic/unvarnished way.
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