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SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

The whole fuzzy thing also came after he quit the X-Men to go off and do his own thing, and he developed a potion to enhance his mutation. He didn't intend for it to be permanent, but he missed the time limit so it stuck. After that he bummed around the places where Marvel throws characters it doesn't know what to do with, the Avengers and the Defenders. He didn't really get much development until the weird decision to reassemble the original X-Men into X-Factor, and at that point he could do the whole smartest guy in the room routine more regularly.

The only story focusing on him I really remember is when the original comic was doing origin stories, and Beast's story was about playing football and having to fight a conquistador guy. Of course Cyclops's origin story at the same time where he was briefly adopted by a criminal with diamond hands is more fun.

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Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

SlothfulCobra posted:

The whole fuzzy thing also came after he quit the X-Men to go off and do his own thing, and he developed a potion to enhance his mutation. He didn't intend for it to be permanent, but he missed the time limit so it stuck. After that he bummed around the places where Marvel throws characters it doesn't know what to do with, the Avengers and the Defenders. He didn't really get much development until the weird decision to reassemble the original X-Men into X-Factor, and at that point he could do the whole smartest guy in the room routine more regularly.

Which is funny as he spent a good chunk of X-Factor as a dumb guy because he messed with his own genetics again and lost the fur but got dumber the more he used his strength.

Sentinel Red
Nov 13, 2007
Style > Content.

Dawgstar posted:

Which is funny as he spent a good chunk of X-Factor as a dumb guy because he messed with his own genetics again and lost the fur but got dumber the more he used his strength.

No, he didn't. He was a victim of a scientist trying to cure his own mutant son, he kidnapped Hank and used him as a lab rat, which defuzzed him. Then later Plague's power reacted especially badly with his now turbo hosed body chemistry and he started getting stronger but dumber.

None of it was Hank's doing/choice.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

https://www.38north.org/2024/04/what-we-learned-inside-a-north-korean-internet-server-how-well-do-you-know-your-partners/

quote:

However, in 2016, the studio was sanctioned by the US Department of Treasury as a North Korean state-owned enterprise. The US government has twice laid additional sanctions on Chinese companies that have worked with the studio or acted as a go-between, once in 2021 and again in 2022.

All three cities are known to have many North Korean-operated businesses and are main centers for North Korea’s IT workers who live overseas.

Projects Identified

The files related to a range of projects, suggesting several animators were likely involved in the work.

Over the month we observed this traffic, the apparent identity of some of the projects became clear. They included:

Season 3 of “Invincible,” an Amazon Original animated series produced by California-based Skybound Entertainment. A document on the server carried the name of the series and “Viltruminte Pants LLC,” which appears to be part of the Skybound group.
“Iyanu, Child of Wonder,” an anime about a superhero created by Maryland-based YouNeek Studios and being produced and animated by Lion Forge Entertainment for airing in 2024 on HBO Max.
“Dahliya In Bloom” (魔導具師ダリヤはうつむかない), a Japanese anime series scheduled to air from July 2024.

quote:

There is no evidence to suggest that the companies identified in the images had any knowledge that a part of their project had been subcontracted to North Korean animators. In fact, as the editing comments on all the files, including those related to US-based animations, were written in Chinese, it is likely that the contracting arrangement was several steps downstream from the major producers.

tldr, stuff contracted to chinese studios is getting passed further on to NK studios, violating lots of things

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


There's an interesting graphic novel called Pyongyang about a Quebecois animation director sent over to North Korea to guide the animators works. Before Flash/Toon Boom became common in the industry, which combined with tax credits in Quebec allowed productions to be animated domestically again, there was a lot of outsourcing to Asia including North Korea. It wasn't without the knowledge of the producers in that case though.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Yeah, NK has an animation studio, they use it for their own domestic "Squirrel and Hedgehog" series that propagandizes an anthropomorphic representation of the NK army fighting off wolves, foxes, weasels*. They also do some amount of animation work for foreign studios, but they also clearly have motivation to exaggerate what works they have worked on.

Wikipedia posted:

North Korea's cheap domestic labor is what makes it an advantage to become a world animation foundry, and the head of SEK Studio, Koh Young-chul, claims that they have completed more than 250 outsourced animation films for animation companies in several countries, including Transformers, The Lion King, Pocahontas, and Pinocchio, as well as Little Soldier Zhang Ga and Romance of the Three Kingdoms, which were completed in collaboration with China.

Disney's Pinocchio predates both the studio and the existence of North Korea.

*not to be confused with China's jingoistic Year Hare Affair or Imperial Japan's propaganda cartoons where Momotaro and animal children attack America..

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Synthbuttrange posted:

https://www.38north.org/2024/04/what-we-learned-inside-a-north-korean-internet-server-how-well-do-you-know-your-partners/



tldr, stuff contracted to chinese studios is getting passed further on to NK studios, violating lots of things

What year is it???

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Why tis the fifth year of the plague year 2020 milord!

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

SlothfulCobra posted:

"Squirrel and Hedgehog"

Gotta go fast!

…because there’s no food again this year.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.
There is no ethical production under socialism with Chinese characteristics?

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
Lurklurklurklurklurk
X-Men 97 theory: I think this version of Bastion is Graydon Creed

My data points:
-Friends of the Humanity focus in the first episode, who were toting new, Sentinel-derived tech
-Rogue and Nightcrawler focus recently, with Mystique potentially lurking in the wings having impersonated Valerie Cooper
-Sinister makes this Bastion seem like a known quantity from the old show, Bastion himself talks about how he's "evolved." There's been an undercurrent of jealousy to Creed's anti-mutant bigotry due to who his family is, so turning into a killer cyborg from hell would probably be really appealing to him.
-Getting mauled by Sabretooth (Graydon's implied fate in his last appearance of the old show) would make him a prime candidate to being rebuilt into a cybernetic Sentinel.
-The scenes with Magneto and Gyrich in this episode were some real serial killer poo poo. Y'know who's dad was a serial killer???
-Let's be honest, there's only a handful of notable anti-mutant human bigots, and the guy who turned into Bastion originally was a bit of a nothingburger

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



OnimaruXLR posted:

X-Men 97 theory: I think this version of Bastion is Graydon Creed

My data points:
-Friends of the Humanity focus in the first episode, who were toting new, Sentinel-derived tech
-Rogue and Nightcrawler focus recently, with Mystique potentially lurking in the wings having impersonated Valerie Cooper
-Sinister makes this Bastion seem like a known quantity from the old show, Bastion himself talks about how he's "evolved." There's been an undercurrent of jealousy to Creed's anti-mutant bigotry due to who his family is, so turning into a killer cyborg from hell would probably be really appealing to him.
-Getting mauled by Sabretooth (Graydon's implied fate in his last appearance of the old show) would make him a prime candidate to being rebuilt into a cybernetic Sentinel.
-The scenes with Magneto and Gyrich in this episode were some real serial killer poo poo. Y'know who's dad was a serial killer???
-Let's be honest, there's only a handful of notable anti-mutant human bigots, and the guy who turned into Bastion originally was a bit of a nothingburger


I dunno if this will actually happen but just wanted to say I think this is brilliant and interesting.

Only kina flaw I can see is Bastion seems to be from the far future? I dunno if we know Cable's or Bishop's time in this but I thought it was a good ways off.

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?

NikkolasKing posted:

I dunno if this will actually happen but just wanted to say I think this is brilliant and interesting.

Only kina flaw I can see is Bastion seems to be from the far future? I dunno if we know Cable's or Bishop's time in this but I thought it was a good ways off.

I'm not sure how far Cable is, at least like 30ish years ahead of Bishop's Days of Future Past timeline, and Bishop's timeline is at least past 2030 going by Scott's tombstone. I think both are supposed to be waaay further ahead in comics though?

I'm not that big of a comics-knower but I did just watch the TAS version of Days of Future Past so it's pretty fresh in my mind. Also those episodes were kinda lame

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

NikkolasKing posted:

I dunno if this will actually happen but just wanted to say I think this is brilliant and interesting.

Only kina flaw I can see is Bastion seems to be from the far future? I dunno if we know Cable's or Bishop's time in this but I thought it was a good ways off.

I didn't get any impressions of Bastion being from the future.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



MonsterEnvy posted:

I didn't get any impressions of Bastion being from the future.

Don't they make it explicit the Prime Sentinel and all that stuff is from the future? Beast's comment about how the tech they're seeing is way ahead of our time, and then Cable being the one who knows how to deal with Prime Sentinels.

And I thought all that came from Bastion.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

NikkolasKing posted:

Don't they make it explicit the Prime Sentinel and all that stuff is from the future? Beast's comment about how the tech they're seeing is way ahead of our time, and then Cable being the one who knows how to deal with Prime Sentinels.

And I thought all that came from Bastion.


In the comics that advanced tech came from Nimrod, and they just became commonplace in the future. But I am unsure of how they plan to link Bastion and Nimrod in the show.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
Hmm thinking I wonder if a future season storyline will be Necrosha. Did Selene ever show up in the original series?

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
I'm hoping we see more of Jamie Madrox

Larryb
Oct 5, 2010

Was that a new VA for Cap or has he played the character in other stuff before (I believe he was our first non X-Men cameo in the show as well)?

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Apparently it's Josh Keaton, of all people, and no, he's more known as Spider-Man than Cap.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

He was Steve Rogers in the What If episodes as well.

GateOfD
Jan 31, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 26 days!)

I freaking cracked up when threw Captain America's shield into the mountains. Such a dick move lol

BizarroAzrael
Apr 6, 2006

"That must weigh heavily on your soul. Let me purge it for you."

Gaz-L posted:

Apparently it's Josh Keaton, of all people, and no, he's more known as Spider-Man than Cap.

Haha, I was just thinking they might bring in 90s Spiderman TAS JJJ for his stuff with Bastion and them maybe asking Keaton to be Spidey if they can't get CD Barnes since he always sends to be up to play a spider guy.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



I think it be really great and a cool little meta joke if they got David Hayter to play a role. Not only did he write the screnplay for the first two X-Men films, he voiced Captain America in Spidey TAS.

Azubah
Jun 5, 2007

I don't buy Hayter as an american super soldier.

Conrad_Birdie
Jul 10, 2009

I WAS THERE
WHEN CODY RHODES
FINISHED THE STORY
Theo James such a good actor. VO work in this ep is wonderful

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
Lurklurklurklurklurk

BizarroAzrael posted:

Haha, I was just thinking they might bring in 90s Spiderman TAS JJJ for his stuff with Bastion and them maybe asking Keaton to be Spidey if they can't get CD Barnes since he always sends to be up to play a spider guy.

Sadly Ed Asner passed away in 2021

You know what that means: someone get JK Simmons on speed dial

Monaghan
Dec 29, 2006

The shot composition/direction of this show is so good.

Rogue (rightfully in my opinion) justifying her decision to kill trask being suddenly interrupted by "TERMINATE MUTANTS," a fist flying at the screen and then an explosion is just fantastic stuff. The prime sentinels also look way better than they did back in the original nineties comic run. They're delightfully unnerving.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



In X-Men TAS, do we ever see the "school" part of the Xavier School? My memory of the show is far from perfect but I feel like it's just superhero stuff. We never see any younger mutants or learning or anything.

I was thinking about this because so many TAS fans like me used to hate Evolution. Why? The younger cast and going to school were lame.. But I'm wondering if actual comic book readers were more amenable to Evolution because, you know, that wouldn't be out of place to them like it was to us where we just got superheroes go save the world all the time.

iceyman
Jul 11, 2001

NikkolasKing posted:

In X-Men TAS, do we ever see the "school" part of the Xavier School? My memory of the show is far from perfect but I feel like it's just superhero stuff. We never see any younger mutants or learning or anything.

Jubilee was the totality of the "school" part. But no, they never had students in the traditional sense or anything like Evolution.

But that makes sense for the time because the X-Men didn't have much of a big school in the comics until post-90s. In the comics they paid lip service to getting college degrees a few times. Lorna and Alex had earned master degrees in geophysics! Iceman got a degree in accounting. Beast earned a few phds. It all came off as a very alternative liberal arts self-study vibe where Charles just signs off on your work. They also had the New Mutants for a time but that was just an excuse to have teen adventures. I don't think it was until Morison that they portrayed the school as a proper school with tons of kids and classrooms and backpacks.

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
Lurklurklurklurklurk

NikkolasKing posted:

In X-Men TAS, do we ever see the "school" part of the Xavier School? My memory of the show is far from perfect but I feel like it's just superhero stuff. We never see any younger mutants or learning or anything.

I was thinking about this because so many TAS fans like me used to hate Evolution. Why? The younger cast and going to school were lame.. But I'm wondering if actual comic book readers were more amenable to Evolution because, you know, that wouldn't be out of place to them like it was to us where we just got superheroes go save the world all the time.

To me the issue with Evolution was never "they're kids" as much as "they're the most milquetoast over-xeroxed Archie-rear end thrice-reheated leftover version of kids you ever did see". On top of how weird it is to see Wolverine and Storm acting as mentors to Jean and Scott, not including any of the actual "young mutant" coded characters (THERE'S A LOT OF THEM) other than Kitty, and the fact that the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants were basically the Gangrene Gang from Powerpuff Girls

Evo always felt like a high school fanfiction AU writ large to me as opposed to "a younger version of the X-Men." But I know a lot of people love it. Lot of people love high school alternate universe fanfiction, too, though.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


The school was definitely just lip service in the original cartoon. Outside of Jubilee everyone was treated like full on adults.

Which reminds me of something really bizarre from that series where Jean and Scott get married but then it is revealed that the minister that married them was secretly Morph as part of some Sinister plan. Which leads to everyone acting like the marriage didn't count for some reason.

Shoehead
Sep 28, 2005

Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?
Morph wasnt ordained!

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.
Is there any particular reason why Bastion is obsessed with novelty singles from the late '50s now?

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
because he's a flying, purple, people eater

Conrad_Birdie
Jul 10, 2009

I WAS THERE
WHEN CODY RHODES
FINISHED THE STORY

CapnAndy posted:

Is there any particular reason why Bastion is obsessed with novelty singles from the late '50s now?

It was a pretty clear reference to Reservoir Dogs I felt

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

iceyman posted:

Jubilee was the totality of the "school" part. But no, they never had students in the traditional sense or anything like Evolution.

But that makes sense for the time because the X-Men didn't have much of a big school in the comics until post-90s. In the comics they paid lip service to getting college degrees a few times. Lorna and Alex had earned master degrees in geophysics! Iceman got a degree in accounting. Beast earned a few phds. It all came off as a very alternative liberal arts self-study vibe where Charles just signs off on your work. They also had the New Mutants for a time but that was just an excuse to have teen adventures. I don't think it was until Morison that they portrayed the school as a proper school with tons of kids and classrooms and backpacks.

The New Mutants had ran their course by the 90s, and Magneto quit running the X-Mansion towards the end and left them all in Cable's hands, and Cable didn't run no school and eventually shaped everyone who stuck with the team into a mercenary group he branded X-Force.

The 90s did have Generation X, but they really didn't do the whole "school" concept well at all and were caught up in one of those edgey and complicated yet entirely forgettable plots that dominated 90s Marvel.

The 2000s were probably the biggest time for the idea of the X-Mansion as a real proper school, because there was a whole thing with introducing a lot of student characters having actual high-school-type classes in the foreground. Later down the road after M-Day, the X-Men got increasingly militant and went off to San Francisco, and Wolverine broke with them and took the kids back to Westchester to be even more like a school. I don't know what they've been like since Wolverine died, probably a lot less school stuff from the things I've heard about where the X-Men have gone since.

Before the 90s, the school stuff was also pretty sporadic. The first couple years of the X-Men comics played it up a bit, but when the X-Men got redesigned in 1975, all the new members were functionally adults until Kitty joined, and Kitty was often doing free study school work in the background and was the focus of a whole struggle with Emma Frost running her own evil school for mutants.

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer
I was (well, still am) very unfamiliar with Bastion, so when I saw the new bad guy was a purple dude messing with technology, I thought it was Feilong from the recent X-Men/Iron Man comics and thought "wow that's a pretty recent pull for this show". I guess little did I know of the X-Men's long history of purple bad guys (that aren't The Purple Man™)

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
I do want to reiterate something I posted in TV IV after having been criticial about Lenore Zann's voice after the first few episodes: While I stand by the opinion that her voice has noticeably aged more than most of the returning cast, she's also stepped up 1000% in what they've asked her to do in the last two episodes Rogue's been featured in, and more than justified the decision to bring her back.

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Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

TwoPair posted:

I was (well, still am) very unfamiliar with Bastion, so when I saw the new bad guy was a purple dude messing with technology, I thought it was Feilong from the recent X-Men/Iron Man comics and thought "wow that's a pretty recent pull for this show". I guess little did I know of the X-Men's long history of purple bad guys (that aren't The Purple Man™)

Kilgrave was even in the original show! Even though he's more a Daredevil (and now Jessica Jones/Luke Cage) bad guy!

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