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Stalin stole all my grain and killed my family, but I never hated him. I said "Thank you for your service"
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my_custom_username posted:Stalin stole all my grain and killed my family, but I never hated him. I said "Thank you for your service"
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wouldn't "Love the USSR, but hate Stalin" make you a Khruschevite? cassian of imola what is your stance on suppressing revolts in hungary and czechoslovakia
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my_custom_username posted:Stalin stole all my grain and killed my family, but I never hated him. I said "Thank you for your service"
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Apr 25, 2024 19:18
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Cassian of Imola posted:'trotskyism' as such wasn't that offensive or crazy as an ideology. it's more a pejorative term now for splitters and outspoken leftist critics of leftist movements and governments. trot criticism usually focuses on real or perceived antidemocratic practices or tendencies in communist parties or governments. sincere or not, it happens to make their rhetoric line up with right-wing, capitalist criticisms of existing communist power structures. 'trots' are therefore viewed with some justification by all sides as subversive and, as in Cuba, sometimes get support and funding from capitalist foreign powers no one cares about the stated ideology of trots because in material reality they are wreckers and snitches
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Ferrinus posted:but seriously, folks, if you want an example of an old bolshevik whose theoretical ideas were ahead of his time but who was too bad at politics to avoid getting killed, look no further than nikolai bukharin they were not ahead they were garbage and belong in the garbage
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:im sure stalin made some mistakes. maybe one day we'll find out what they were my_custom_username posted:Stalin stole all my grain and killed my family, but I never hated him. I said "Thank you for your service"
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my_custom_username posted:Stalin stole all my grain and killed my family, but I never hated him. I said "Thank you for your service" Lol
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Cassian of Imola posted:no communism is cool, incl. existing forms of communism, including stuff like agricultural collectivisation. I didn't think Stalin was such hot poo poo what with all the shooting poets, the carving up Poland with Hitler, etc. but the USSR was sweet both as a utopian project and as a real existing place to live. absolutely unimaginable today that a country would, for example, create a massive bureaucracy dedicated to preserving and translating the literatures of dozens of languages and cultures within its borders while also pursuing space exploration and a universal standard of living. pretty sure I'm just the social retard kind of trot not the CIA stooge kind. but who can tell if they're a CIA stooge we got a prime dsa member : dick sucking association the dick is short for detective, as in fbi detective for those not in the know
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my_custom_username posted:Stalin stole all my grain and killed my family, but I never hated him. I said "Thank you for your service"
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Cassian of Imola posted:hey quick question op what was the USSR's policy on the Nazis before deciding that defeating them was the best strategy, and what made them change their minds lol
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my_custom_username posted:Stalin stole all my grain and killed my family, but I never hated him. I said "Thank you for your service"
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Top City Homo posted:they were not ahead they were garbage and belong in the garbage personally, i'm glad the right opposition lost same as the left opposition did. still, the modern-day success of china shows us that there's a way for a worker's state to benefit from tightly-controlled lower-to-middle-level marketization
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Cassian of Imola posted:Lucy Liu, the iPhone, Hulk (2003)... what's not to like You're so loving cool. Almost as cool as Joe "Steel" Stalin
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:im sure stalin made some mistakes. maybe one day we'll find out what they were Well, you'll notice I said mistakes on his watch, not his mistakes. It's clear, so much so that even Trotsky had to admit in his own letters, that Stalin was not on the right flank of the party, and fought against opportunist tendencies in the party and the international movement to various degrees at various times, it's unlikely that he was the originator or the driving force of the worst decisions made during his tenure as General Secretary, but let's not pretend the UN vote for partitioning Palestine wasn't disastrous in its consequences, and a serious betrayal of the most basic principles of Marxism-Leninism, or that it was a completely isolated incident. The trend toward appeasement of US imperialism, the delusions of peaceful coexistence that did so much damage under Khrushchev, have clear precedents in the Stalin era, though it's also unlikely that he would have willingly allowed them to go as far as the rightists in the party did after his death. The unjustifiable and ultimately suicidal position of Khrushchev, that the friendship of the USSR and PRC be held hostage to the political submission of the Communist Party of China to the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, also has its own precedent in the split with Tito.* *it shouldn't be forgotten either, that both splits originated with a party initially taking a stronger line against imperialism than the Soviet line, having their countries treated as enemies for it, and then ultimately resorting to accommodation to that same imperialist threat in reaction. Pomeroy has issued a correction as of 06:56 on Apr 26, 2024 |
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are we allowed to say that Beria was bad
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Mechafunkzilla posted:are we allowed to say that Beria was bad sure was. Yezhov was goddamn worse, which is helpful to understand how much hosed up was the whole situation with the NKVD. A professor in our group said that an apparatus for state security that broke away completely with the Tsarist model while being pro-revolutionary was a major concern of Lenin -- especially when the realities of civil war and intervention caused a bureaucratic hell slog where people involved with the Tsarist secret police faked poo poo and got vouched by a loyal cadre in another city (apparently a common case). imho, understanding how much of a tremendous loving mess was the situation around the NKVD is how one realizes the scale of the entire political clusterfuck. The Cheka was insufficient to thoroughly destroy that apparatus, the Soviet state couldn't reform it early enough and the careerists, opportunists, saboteurs, political operators and the corrupt used it to defend themselves, yet loyal communists still used the organization itself against the types. With WW2 looming large and the increasingly volatile internal situation in the Soviet Union, the NKVD acted as a many-headed hydra attacking its own heads because of that very situation, which Stalinism proved to be unable to properly address (a critique raised by the CPC, CPV, CP of Cuba, CPY, etc). Stalin correctly (incredibly correctly) axed Yezhov personally, but got blindsided by Beria (et al) who turned it into its own fiefdom. Imho it's pretty reasonable to consider that much of the self-damage of the purges are consequence of those political circumstances and this failure is exactly what gave the excuse of legitimacy for Khrushchev to just go and gently caress it all up too
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Mechafunkzilla posted:are we allowed to say that Beria was bad you're allow to say anything you want, tahts the beautfy of the DSA. weve combined the strengths of joseph stalin thought with the principles of former president barack obama
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paying dues towards sending gusano delegations to cuba gives me a bit of authority on the topic of stalin, actually
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stalins only mistake was that he didn't eat trotsky earlier. he filled up on grain too early
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Homeless Friend posted:you're allow to say anything you want, tahts the beautfy of the DSA. weve combined the strengths of joseph stalin thought with the principles of former president barack obama lol
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Homeless Friend posted:you're allow to say anything you want, tahts the beautfy of the DSA. weve combined the strengths of joseph stalin thought with the principles of former president barack obama
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lumpentroll posted:lmao
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lumpentroll posted:lmao
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iran? theyre chuds. simple as
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lumpentroll posted:lmao
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comedyblissoption posted:iran? theyre chuds. simple as
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lumpentroll posted:lmao
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lumpentroll posted:lmao
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this genocide is bad. unfortunately, however, everyone who currently opposes the genocide is also bad. Houthi concern trolls hijacking my Temu deliveries hurt everyone, including disabled Gazans who rely on Red Sea shipping to literally eat
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lol I knew as soon as I saw it there was a reason cassian posted an image of a tweetPomeroy posted:let's not pretend the UN vote for partitioning Palestine wasn't disastrous in its consequences, and a serious betrayal of the most basic principles of Marxism-Leninism, or that it was a completely isolated incident. The trend toward appeasement of US imperialism, the delusions of peaceful coexistence that did so much damage under Khrushchev, have clear precedents in the Stalin era, though it's also unlikely that he would have willingly allowed them to go as far as the rightists in the party did after his death. Some realpolitik is required and that will mean doing things your principles oppose. It has worked for China. Israel was a huge fail though. Stalinist non-conflict strategies have also worked for China. Don't blame Stalin for Khruschevite prostration beyond the fact that... Stalin's greatest failing was not organizing the succession better/sufficiently ideologically hardening the party Also friend I am asking you to use more paragraphs please Ferrinus posted:personally, i'm glad the right opposition lost same as the left opposition did. still, the modern-day success of china shows us that there's a way for a worker's state to benefit from tightly-controlled lower-to-middle-level marketization I think this sort of marketization can't generally work immediately after the revolution, otherwise it's unlikely to be tightly controlled. Is there some part of Bukharin's work you would recommend as particularly forward thinking beyond supporting the NEP as a sort of proto Dengism? Or did he advance that idea much beyond the actually existing NEP? I've got to find a good history of all these soviet communist conflicts and dramas so I don't have to read all these dead enders works
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The Houthis, like Stalin, are ftw
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posting words I wrote elsewhere to address this Stalin slander re: Israel: he didn't ideologically support the ethnostate, it was an attempt to counter British imperialism in the middle east, which if successful would've had massively positive effects for both the arab nations and the soviet union as soon as israel started aligning with the west, the soviets correctly withdrew any support. but that same western alignment clearly demonstrates that had stalin not supported the formation of israel it would've happened regardless due to the eventual western support he made a calculated play to improve conditions for the middle east and the soviet state, and when it didn't pan out he bailed. sometimes you have to take risks in order for better things to become possible
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the d stands for democrats.
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Lpzie posted:the d stands for democrats. that’s right
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