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Warden
Jan 16, 2020
All this talk about Sekibayashi Jun just made me remember how much better most of the fights in Asura were compared to Omega.

The last three in particular are loving incredible, especially the Ohma-Gensai bout which has insane art.

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Warden
Jan 16, 2020

ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:


Like, Ohma even with his Advance couldn't land a decent blow on Wakatsuki cause the man's loving insanely dense with muscles. Then in Omega Fei's Super Mode is just blowing Wakabayashi all over the place with his gacha-born affinity for the Super Mode and blood throwing.

Ohma didn't use Advance against Wakatsuki. Or, it would be more accurate to say that he couldn't use Advance against Wakatsuki. The Ohma-Wakatsuki fight is still much better than the parade of bullshit that was Fei-Wakatsuki.

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And Edward just toys with Erioh + Raian + Wu Xing + two of the Kure's best fighters because he's "Kuroki-level" to the point where you sorta question why Horis and Reichi are even there in the fight to begin with, until the plot decides it's time to kill Edward off.

Nobody at any point referred to Edward as "Kuroki-level" in-universe though (the fight still sucked). The Judo-dude was referred to having achieved a level of skill in his throws and throws only comparable to Kuroki's fighting skills, and Rolon was hyped-up by having fought Kuroki to a draw years ago (the draw turned out to be Kuroki loving off once there was no more reason to fight without the fight finishing). Rolon also speculated in his thoughts that the current-Ohma he is fighting might be on the level of past-Kuroki he had fought.

Otherwise I agree with basically everything you wrote.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
I found it funny that Sekibayashi points out how dumb it is for Saw Paing to fight him in a Kengan Match just before the tournament, since he is not a participant but Saw Paing is, so worst case he goes into the tournament with damage already accrued.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020

RareAcumen posted:

Why is Rolon now Karla sized? He was closer to the Adam Dudley/ Jose side of the scale.

I went and dug up their info, and Rolon's only like 180 cm tall and 84 kg heavy, so he's actually slightly shorter, though more strongly built, than, say, Ohma at 182cm/82kg. Adam's a real big un' at 193cm and 107kg, though Jose's only like 179 cm tall.

Plus bad perspective.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020

Collapsing Farts posted:

I like that these huge muscle bound men with comicbook physiques only weigh 80kg lol

The world's middleweight champion in Olympic weightlifting is 177cm and 81kg and the dude lifted over 200 kg in clean and jerk last year.



Oh, and he's eighteen.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020

Helios Grime posted:

The guy in the Pic is Dmitry Klokov and currently 39 years old, still an amazing weightlifter. He's 1.83m tall and usually lifted in the 105kg division. Also got busted for roids at the olympics, but that is nowadays mostly a question of when and not if the elite olympic lifters get busted.

The 18yo Karlos Nasar mentioned above has moved up to 89kg and lifting a stupid amount of weight. A 171kg Jerk and a 211kg clean&jerk at the last championships and both Junior Records.



poo poo really? I google image seached Karlos Nasar, and that one was one of the first photos that came up. Thanks for correcting me.

Also, dude's bulked up *a lot* if he's in 89kg only a year after being in 81kg.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
I think Ryuki lost because when he got an opening he suddenly realized that he wasn't allowed to do a killing strike like he normally would and couldn't adapt to non-lethal match in time.

I also liked how Saw Paing got a win against Sekibayashi Jun, but it was only after two defeats.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
I should probably cut Ryuki some slack on account of his youth, but dude's a goddamn clown with his "specialized purely for killing, therefore has sooooo much trouble fighting non-lethal". Muteba, Rei, Agito and Kuroki were all killers originally, but they were perfectly capable of winning a martial arts match without killing their opponent, even when it would have been allowed.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020

Fabricated posted:

Muteba keeps trying to gouge people's eyes out so I dunno if he's a great example

They explicitly spelled it out that he purposefully did not kill Seki with the heart jab, as a little "thank you" for Seki not permanently deafening him.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
Well, so the actual tournament has 4 veterans of the annihilation tournament (Adam, Cosmo, Rihito and Saw Paing), our two Omega protagonists, and two unknowns (Mark Myers and Leonardo Silva).

Let's get predicting how the tournament will go:

Cosmo beats Leonardo, Saw Paing beats either Rihito or Adam but takes a hell of a lot damage, Koga beats the one he doesn't by the skin of his teeth, Ryuki will beat Mark Myers.
Semi-finals will be damaged Saw Paing vs Koga and Cosmo vs Ryuki.
Finals will be Koga vs Ruyki. Either Koga wins, or Ruyki gets a victory using a killing move that lands Koga in coma.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
New Chapter is up, and we know the initial match-ups of the tournament.

All of my guesses for initial match-ups were wrong, it seems.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
Yeah, that was pretty cool conclusion.

The amount of damage Saw Paing took is significant. I am going to die laughing if he loses to Rihito because of it.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
Welp, Rihito's about to eat his words.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020

Crymetimeboys posted:

Omega has been carefully keeping Gensai away from fights so far.

I wonder if he will continue to not be involved in any fights for the rest of the series, to preserve his mystique as the unreachable champion of the Ashura tournament.

Or if he'll be jobbed out to Shen Wulong or something to enhance the threat level of the new ultimate villain is.

I don't think Gensai really has any real reason to seek out fights at the moment. He's not an active Kengan fighter, he's probably set for life after winning the tournament and doesn't need to assassinate people anymore, and he is not involved in any Worm bullshit. Also, he's 55 at this point, and slowly but surely approaching the time he can't do life or death matches any more.

He's already beaten everyone worth his time, aside from Rolon who lost to Ohma, who Gensai defeated, and does not seem to be in any hurry to have a rematch.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020

ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:

Fuckin' love the side chapters and skits.

https://cubari.moe/read/imgur/nxRMXYt/1/1/

That second page is just too funny.

An interesting thing about the character profile for Rolon: The author states that Ohma, Raian and Rolon are all roughly at the same level, but it states nothing about where Rolon stands in comparison to Gensai.

I am now convinced that the reason why Kuroki called off their fight all those years ago wasn't just because the target had been assassinated but he figured that if they kept fighting he'd win, but if he left, Rolon would improve and become a more equal match in the future. Letting him go around with reputation of achieving a draw against the Gensai was a small price compared to that, since he was going to get paid anyway since someone else chopped up the target while he was fighting Rolon.

Also, the second page had me in stitches.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
Chapter 175

I like it when punchmans are friends.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
Can I just say how much I like the fact the dude who's got Koga on the ropes is not any sort of genetic freak or user of esoteric bullshit special martial art, but "just" top-class heavy-weight (or medium-heavy?) BJJ specialist? And that his winning

It's going to be sad when Koga busts out something from Niko style and gets out of this.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
Chapter 177.

Yeah, that was complete bullshit.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
I've been re-reading Asura, and I noticed something about the tournament selection.

The CEO of Motorhead Motors had the ninth selection and, based on the what slots were already taken, he purposefully picked a slot that would allow Gensai to face Agito in the semi-finals and then the person who won the other block. He could have slotted Gensai on the other block and have him only face Agito in the finals, but since he did give a drat about winning, he either picked the choice that would provide Kuroki the most climactic and meaningful fights or wanted to make 100% sure that there wouldn't be any dark horse in the right block denying him the chance to fight Agito.

Also, two CEOs were forced to choose between a slot that would have Gensai as their first opponent and Agito as their fourth or slots where they would have to face Agito on the second round and Gensai on the fourth and they picked the option that would have their fighter face Agito on the second round. Rihito had the last pick, and the only slot left was against Gensai.

A lot of people sussed out what was up with Gensai it seems.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
Chapter 179.

Really Gaoh, you thought Blink is going to work against a dude who saw it in the Annihilation Tournament years ago and who knows from the preliminaries you were using it?

Warden
Jan 16, 2020

Lt. Lizard posted:

After such a solid showing, I have the slightest hope that Adam might win this, but I am certainly not holding my breath. There is too much narrative inertia pushing against him, even if Ryuki is a little poo poo.

:same:

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
The chapter name is apt in this case.

Rakshaha's palm does not work that way. No martial arts move works that way!

Also, back in KA it was stated that it normally takes seven years to learn, but the prodigy Setsuna did in one. Ryuki somehow picked it up in few weeks.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020

RatHat posted:

Hasn't Ryuki been running around with Setsuna for a few years now?

He only asked Setsuna to teach him just before the preliminaries for Berserker Bowl.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
Chapter 185

Goddamn that was good.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
I mean, Kengan's always made the point that the most efficient things are simple in theory, but hard to actually pull of in practice. Back in KA when Gensai was wailing on Agito, the narration stated that mastering powerful techniques is not enough, but using the right technique at the right moment is pretty much the ideal of all martial arts, which Kuroki has successfully put into practice.

Which he then demonstrated by countering Agito's one-hit kill Fa Jin Dragon shot with... ...a wristlock.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020

RareAcumen posted:

And it still broke Gensai's hand to redirect an attack with that much power as well.

Well, it damaged the already broken fingers even further and fractured the last intact digit in that hand, his thumb. His right hand was already hosed up, that's why he used it instead of his left to take the brunt of Dragon shot. Of course, Gensai being Gensai, he still used his right hand to punch the poo poo out of Agito after that.

Same thing in his match against Ohma, he blocked the Demonsbane counter punch with his hosed up right hand and delivered the final blow with his intact left, which left his right arm hanging limp when Ohma hit the ground.

Bushmeister posted:

"The Dragon Misfires" is one of my top 5 all time favorite pages/panels in Kengan

It is incredible. And it is soon followed by:

"Even with his brain concussed, even with his hand destroyed, the Emperor would not die. The Fang of Metsudo would not stop. Kanoh Agito would not falter."

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
Chapter 186.

This was a good fight. Too bad the next one most likely won't be.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
loving finally.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
Chapter 195.

....daaaaaaamn.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
Hey, this is actually a pretty good fight.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
Dunno, but it is out now.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020

CharlestonJew posted:

Kengan 100 chapters ago: The Gaoh Style is for cowards

Kengan now: The Gaoh Style lets you tank all attacks and turn a man into a turtle with a single strike


I mean Gaoh style was originally mostly for sneaky surprise attack poo poo, and then Gaoh Mukaku cut out anything that didn't work, added in anything good from other styles he had learned, including stuff from Gensai's master's Kaiwan style, taught his disciples the new style and called it Niko Style. His personal style, no matter what name he calls it, is basically "Bullshit Martial Arts: the Greatest Hits

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
Don't you dare job _____ Rei _____

Warden
Jan 16, 2020

Brought To You By posted:

I'll find it funny as hell if the guide winds up getting tired of the Worms and decides to dismantle them like he did whatever Yakuza organization he's famous for.

That's 100% what is going to happen, at least to the one attacking him.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020

CharlestonJew posted:

I went back to Asura to double check and Niko specifically mentions that the training in the forest is how he learned Demonsbane, and his friend died trying to learn it with him. Very weird.

Either Sandro forgot or this is supposed to be some big clue that Mukaku isn’t telling the whole truth here


Congrats for calling it.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
Ch 213

Oh for fucks sake, there is no kung-fu bullshit technique bullshit enough to let you tank a straight punch with your nose.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020

Jose posted:

This does setup a kuroki gensai revenge fight I think at least

Why? Kuroki was buddies with Ohma's Niko, and to our knowledge he has never even met Gaoh. Kuroki's master was Gaoh's friend, and he's the one who filled Kuroki in on the whole Tokita Niko-thing.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
This is so dumb.

Warden
Jan 16, 2020
You know, I find it kinda pleasant that the Connector making buddies with Koga's uncle wasn't just a one-time thing, and that they're just casually hanging out together months later.

Also, lol at Ohma's opponent.

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Warden
Jan 16, 2020

Caidin posted:

Sumo vs Wrestler fight was a cool rear end fight and honestly I do not appreciate calling Kiozan back out here to get styled on.

Every fight Sekiyabashi's had has been a cool rear end fight.

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