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Kal-L posted:And then you'll end up like Silver: weak and starved because food production in the modern age is pretty much industrialized and harmful to the environment in some way. Even the production of vegetables and fruits ends up with farmland encroaching in native species areas, animal and plant alike. I don't wanna start a vegetarian debate but from just a purely caloric viewpoint meat is incredibly inefficient in terms of money spent. Yeah sure someone.livi g in the boondocks.with low income it may be be difficult to access fresh fruit.and vegetables but I just don't see that as a super legit argument.
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MisterBibs posted:Why are these super-pigs given to random children, who aren't told their purpose? Steve Yun posted:I should also point out that these superpigs were all given to farmer adults, and in the case of Korea, was given to the grandpa. Mija's relationship was not in Mirando's plans.
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Hollismason posted:I don't wanna start a vegetarian debate but from just a purely caloric viewpoint meat is incredibly inefficient in terms of money spent. Like a lot of things it goes back to education. Food deserts are a real thing, but also a lot of people just don't know that it actually is possible to have a healthy vegetarian diet with stuff you can get at any average grocery store without breaking the bank.
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Most people in America straight up don't know how to cook. Not even a little bit.
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Snak posted:Most people in America straight up don't know how to cook. Or, if they're working long hours and/or rough jobs and/or with children to raise don't have the time/energy to put something together with nutritional content.
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Pander posted:Or, if they're working long hours and/or rough jobs and/or with children to raise don't have the time/energy to put something together with nutritional content. Oh, and I totally sympathize with that. My comment wasn't meant to blame people. It's a simple fact that if you don't know anything about cooking, your entire perspective on food options is much different.
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Hollismason posted:I don't wanna start a vegetarian debate but from just a purely caloric viewpoint meat is incredibly inefficient in terms of money spent. Chicken is twice as calorically dense as rice, and you can get it just about anywhere in the US for a dollar a pound. You're not getting sub-$.50/lb rice unless you're trading in tonnages. I'm sure the calculus looks very different comparing only the products at Whole Foods, but to insist with a straight face that the poor are just too ignorant and lazy to understand the virtues of veganism like bougies do takes a truly profound commitment to never looking up from sucking your own dick. Meat is tremendously inefficient in terms of land and energy spent to calories yielded; the 'what about the field mice getting combine harvestered' argument ignores that chickens and cows eat way more industrially harvested grain than you would if you weren't eating them instead; but at the consumer level the costs are mostly externalized, and someone more concerned with getting the most mileage out of every one of their personal dollars than in living the future of ethical capitalism today is going to hit the dollar menu every so often. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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Hollismason posted:I don't wanna start a vegetarian debate but from just a purely caloric viewpoint meat is incredibly inefficient in terms of money spent. If the profit margin works agribusiness doesn't give a poo poo about the "caloric efficiency". And for the significant and growing percentage of Americans who are forced by circumstance or deliberate marginalization into consuming those products, I'm sure they'll be glad to know that their plight isn't "legit" to the moral calculus of food production.
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Snak posted:Oh, and I totally sympathize with that. Yeah one of my pet peeves is people complaining about I moved to so and so and there's no good pizza/vegetarian/taco places what am I to do? Learning to cook solves most regional complaints.
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Steve Yun posted:
See also: the value of poo poo
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Just watched this. What a wonderful movie. My favorite movie released since Swiss Army Man, another Paul Dano joint, and also the movie to make me cry the most since Swiss Army Man. Dano's on fire! If only more adventure movies would fold in humor the way Bong Joon-ho does, rather than the "punch a guy in a face, say a silly Joss Whedon quip, make the  face, rinse and repeat" pattern that's in vogue now that Marvel movies are setting the tempo. The part in the truck after the big New York setpiece, when Paul Dano is injured and that woman is treating him, has a couple hilarious throwaway lines where Steven Yeun is angrily yelling at her about picking up the phone when he calls and about how good of a doctor she is, and it's just so real-sounding and human, which is true of a lot of humor in the film. That's pretty important because so much of the film is just wildly absurd, especially Gyllenhaal, but that sort of oddness is balanced out by super real moments, whether they're moments of pathos between Okja and Seo-Hyeon Ahn or just throwaway jokes. And I liked all the selfie jokes - there were like, at least three.Also, to me it seemed like maybe it was implied at the end of the film that maybe the girl and the grandfather had gone vegan - the only thing we see them eating are a gently caress ton of vegetables, the chickens are wandering around freely, etc. So all the talk in the thread about "well look the girl eats fish and chicken!!!" seems a little misplaced. Seeing the slaughterhouse might've made her rethink things. And lol at all the people in this thread trying to talk themselves out of having to be vegan. Just relax and stop eating animal products guys, it's honestly not that hard. Believe me.
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Also, low-key, best part of the movie: Jake Gyllenhaal slowly rotating.
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Movie ruled, pigs rule, who knew Jake Gyllenhaal would make such a perfect Waluigi?
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No more spoiler tags! Best part was "Mija. It's me" (takes off glasses) "Jay"
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A True Jar Jar Fan posted:Movie ruled, pigs rule, who knew Jake Gyllenhaal would make such a perfect Waluigi? Holy poo poo. Hand Knit posted:What do I care? It's not my truck. That guy ruled.
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As the credits began to roll, I sat back in my chair, took another sip of bourbon, and said "Well, I just watched a movie where a dog-faced hippo gets raped. This life has no more to offer." Slowly, the revolver crept up to my temple...
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:That guy ruled. He's the best minor character, and there are a lot of competitors.
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When the ALF members were on the bus at the end I imagined that their next gig was to rescue a few monkeys being used for testing, pretty terrible stuff. Then turn off okja and load up 28 days later.
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Or off to pick up Brad Pitt and release some animals from zoos in Philadelphia.
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I keep thinking about this movie and as mentioned, it is much deeper than I first thought. One thing that stuck with me is how futile the situation at the factory was. Nothing could be changed. You can only do a small part (take care of the small piglet) and accept what you can't change. It's difficult to get past that part and it made me really sad.Steve Yun posted:
What's this a reference to?
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The gold pig scene at the end might be my favorite. The camera lingers just long enough on Nancy to see the cruel satisfaction in having Mija realize she needs to play on Nancy's terms, the "real" terms: she makes a business deal and in doing so speaks Nancy's language both literally (in English) and figuratively (money). And then it really knocks it out of the park when Mija throws the fanny pack away at the end, which had previously her holdout act of resistance during the hotel scene with Moaning Myrtle. For most of the movie I think Mija's been mostly indifferent to the meat factory stuff and really only cared about getting Okja back. I think it was at this moment that she realized she did have some stake in wanting to win the "right" way, and has just lost some ideological battle she only kind of understands. After all, she had the gold pig on her the entire time, and tries to reason emotionally with the super pig executor at first; she doesn't even understand what's so important to Nancy about keeping each and every pig until the last moment. That scene is right up there with the "bones and beer" scene from The Host as one of my favorite moments from Bong.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25udaa-Wn4E
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Nickoten posted:The gold pig scene at the end might be my favorite. The camera lingers just long enough on Nancy to see the cruel satisfaction in having Mija realize she needs to play on Nancy's terms, the "real" terms: she makes a business deal and in doing so speaks Nancy's language both literally (in English) and figuratively (money). And then it really knocks it out of the park when Mija throws the fanny pack away at the end, which had previously her holdout act of resistance during the hotel scene with Moaning Myrtle. Okja is Snowpiercer, and Mija is Bong Joonho trying to keep his movie from being chopped up into pieces, and Nancy is Harvey Weinstein telling Bong that the only way that's going to happen is if Bong wants to lose a lot of money Edit: kidding aside, that's a really good read. I'd wondered what the meaning of the fanny pack was since the camera lingered on it conspicuously. Edit: oh poo poo she feeds persimmons to Okja out of the bag, and at the end she feeds money to The System out of the same bag Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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Nickoten posted:The gold pig scene at the end might be my favorite. The camera lingers just long enough on Nancy to see the cruel satisfaction in having Mija realize she needs to play on Nancy's terms, the "real" terms: she makes a business deal and in doing so speaks Nancy's language both literally (in English) and figuratively (money). And then it really knocks it out of the park when Mija throws the fanny pack away at the end, which had previously her holdout act of resistance during the hotel scene with Moaning Myrtle. Yeah, I didn't realize that she was so protective of the fanny pack because it had the golden pig in it. I wouldn't let that off my person either.
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For the short ten seconds that the slaughterhouse bolt gun guy is on screen, he gets a lot of characterization. He is definitely moved by seeing the photo of Okja and wants to show some compassion, but like Dr Johnny his paycheck is being paid by the company. Having a heart is something he's paid not to have.
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What was the significance of this shot? 
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Steve Yun posted:For the short ten seconds that the slaughterhouse bolt gun guy is on screen, he gets a lot of characterization. He is definitely moved by seeing the photo of Okja and wants to show some compassion, but like Dr Johnny his paycheck is being paid by the company. Having a heart is something he's paid not to have. And then there's "Mirando is hosed" guy. He knows what's up. Relatedly, looking for a youtube of that scene, I found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wekE7oSO55w
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"Don't force an image on her like Bennetton did with those Asian models" proceeds to force an image on Mija Kudos to Bong Joon Ho for somehow convincing Chanel to let them use an actual Chanel dress in the movie as a symbol of cultural appropriation and fetishization of exotic cultures.  The dress in question is based on the traditional Korean hanbok dress:  ...except with blouse lapels and short sleeves.  Mija is wearing a half-boyish-half-girlish outfit, a hybrid of the traditional women's and men's clothes. It has a longer tunic than the men's shirts, but not long enough to be a dress, and she's wearing pants.  I pointed out in another post that she only wears a skirt at the end as a sign that she's reached adulthood. Because of that I think the director wanted to keep her wearing pants up until the end, a symbol of still being a kid. Edit: what's weird about this is that between Lucy and Nancy, Lucy wears the dresses and is presented as immature, and Nancy is presented as more adult and wears pants. Also, lol at Burberry being pimped out as old school capitalist villain attire Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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You are posting a lot of amazing poo poo.
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Hand Knit posted:You are posting a lot of amazing poo poo.
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More low-key poo poo: The Korean assistant is wearing two inch pumps and came up the exact same mountain that Dr Johnny did. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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Haha yes I definitely caught that. Also I assume basically everyone noticed this, but in case they didn't, when Dr. Johnny comes up the mountain and is super thirsty, he chugs some soju, thinking it's water, and apparently gets hooked on the stuff because later when he breaks down and takes the meat sample from Okja, he's gulping the same brand down and tons of empty bottles are on his desk.
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Eating with grandpa at the beginning of the movie: Overhead shot at the beginning:  Eating with grandpa at the end of the movie:  The overhead shot of the food is absent from the end of the movie. Because of how similarly the ending dinner shot is composed to the beginning dinner shot, I think it had to be deliberate, to draw attention to the fact that the overhead shot is missing from the end. The movie doesn't want you to see what they're eating at the end. It's left ambiguous so that you can tell yourself whatever you want. Did you want to believe that Mija and her grandpa turned vegetarian at the end? You can tell yourself that. Did you want to believe that Mija continued to eat meat? You can tell yourself that too.  One thing that's made clear though is that the chickens are now free to wander about, no longer in coops. If you want to believe Mija turned vegetarian, you can tell yourself that they just keep the chickens around for eggs now. Or if you want to believe that Mija still eats chicken, you can tell yourself that at least she treats the chickens better now. Either version would show that she's become more considerate as a consumer. Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 08:39 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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It's a pretty fair assumption that Dr. Johnny is an alcoholic before he steals grandpa's soju, but his adoption of that brand is a neat detail.
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less laughter posted:What was the significance of this shot? Going by the lack of responses nobody else knows either, apparently? Of course I can make up an interpretation for it (e.g. climbing the ladder from her shoeshiner great-grandparents to CEO or something), but I was hoping somebody here knew for sure why that shot was inserted into the movie and lingered on.
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less laughter posted:Going by the lack of responses nobody else knows either, apparently? I posted it on Reddit and the best they came up with was "Nancy is materialistic too" I may or may not have an in with the director through a mutual friend. If nobody comes up with a satisfying solution I'll try calling in that favor sometime in a few weeks.
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Awesome, thanks!
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TychoCelchuuu posted:Haha yes I definitely caught that. Also I assume basically everyone noticed this, but in case they didn't, when Dr. Johnny comes up the mountain and is super thirsty, he chugs some soju, thinking it's water, and apparently gets hooked on the stuff because later when he breaks down and takes the mean sample from Okja, he's gulping the same brand down and tons of empty bottles are on his desk. that rules. I need to watch this movie again.
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