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joepinetree posted:It's ok to think that in a fair society sex work shouldn't exist. But the way to get there is by empowering the workers, not by creating more situations where they are targeted by police. You know, as every single sex worker organization has pointed out. Sex workers will stop doing sex work if they're empowered to do sex work? Or do you mean empowered sex workers will create a fair society? Empowered workers are certainly necessary for the revolution, but didn't you just call out communism as a solution as unrealistic? Is it acceptable to empower these people to make a living without having to resort to prostitution? You say it's acceptable to believe it shouldn't exist, in a fair society. Are you implying it's not acceptable to dislike it in ours? Or are you saying you personally would want to see prostitution continue in your fair society, but it's fine if some people think otherwise? It does feel uniquely pessimistic to cede any possibility of leveraging a welfare state, humane immigration policies and a justice system to the libertarian view in the name of harm reduction. I don't really buy that any opposition to the idea, be it from a lib or a leftist, comes from a place of wanting to hurt sex workers. thotsky has issued a correction as of 02:34 on Apr 22, 2024 |
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thotsky posted:Sex workers will stop doing sex work if they're empowered to do sex work? Or do you mean empowered sex workers will create a fair society? Empowered workers are certainly necessary for the revolution, but didn't you just call out communism as a solution as unrealistic? Do you think its the "leveraging the welfare state, humane immigration policies" that people object to when they criticize the nordic model?
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Does feel like another case where liberals throw tantrums when their insufficient half-measures are called out as such and threaten to let the right have their way (they already are) if you keep complaining.
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so am i correct in surmising that the argument this piece is making is that sex work is good because it prevents men from engaging in sexual harassment or is the writer not making an ethical judgment about sexual harassment at all and simply suggesting that sex work is good as an alternative to sexual harassment if circumstances make sexual harassment impractical
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Some Guy TT posted:so am i correct in surmising that the argument this piece is making is that sex work is good because it prevents men from engaging in sexual harassment or is the writer not making an ethical judgment about sexual harassment at all and simply suggesting that sex work is good as an alternative to sexual harassment if circumstances make sexual harassment impractical
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Some Guy TT posted:so am i correct in surmising that the argument this piece is making is that sex work is good because it prevents men from engaging in sexual harassment or is the writer not making an ethical judgment about sexual harassment at all and simply suggesting that sex work is good as an alternative to sexual harassment if circumstances make sexual harassment impractical I think this guy is just a pervert who wants to tell everyone about the times he patronized sex workers
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Ytlaya posted:I think this guy is just a pervert who wants to tell everyone about the times he patronized sex workers wanted to let his coworker know how horny she makes him too
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this is what the presentation was about.... very CSPAM stuff Free  wwnorton.com posted:## Coming of Age at the End of History
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lumpentroll posted:wanted to let his coworker know how horny she makes him too even by the liberal standard, just submitting a piece like this seems cause for an immediate HR visit, much less publishing it
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Doc Hawkins posted:even by the liberal standard, just submitting a piece like this seems cause for an immediate HR visit, much less publishing it You can't constrain the marketplace of ideas, especially not when the idea is "this guy wants to gently caress a specific famous woman but had no opportunity to tell her in person"
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Sanlav posted:it's not dark magic. I'm autistic and I masked myself through a lot of early sexual encounters in my life. I learned to manage the mechanics of sex w/o that magical disney romance part long before I ever found something like it. this phrasing makes it sound like you were literally wearing disney character masks for the sake of having kinky sex with disney fangirls
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cat botherer posted:I was just watching Zodiac (2007), and read up on the suspect Arthur Leigh Allen. I have uncovered evidence relevant to the sex work discussion ITT: have u heard of the imaginary zodiac killer theory it basically argues that there is no zodiac killer and that the four zodiac killer incidents are much more easily explained as individual crimes unrelated to each other except for the fact that some random assholes with access to the crime scenes and crime labs decided it would be funny to pretend like they did it as a prank completely crazy idea of course since in order for it to work journalists would have to be gullible idiots who care more about promoting a serial killer story than being responsible professionals whose job is to keep the public well informed
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Real hurthling! posted:has any government ever set up its own brothels and paid prostitutes a standard and decent wage? yes the comfort woman bureaucracy of the japanese empire was basically this a big selling point of it aside from the patriotic duty thing was the free medical care because the whole reason the government came up with this idea was to prevent the spread of venereal disease it may surprise you to learn that once they hired all the prostitutes who considered this regime an improvement over their existing working conditions it turned out they still didnt have enough supply to meet the necessary demand and ended up doing some not exactly ethical stuff in order to resolve this problem
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Some Guy TT posted:this phrasing makes it sound like you were literally wearing disney character masks for the sake of having kinky sex with disney fangirls I'm dieing right now. I'll just tell people I was the candle from beauty and the beast my first time instead of how emotionally unprepared I was.
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Cassian of Imola posted:midbernies
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Some Guy TT posted:yes the comfort woman bureaucracy of the japanese empire was basically this a big selling point of it aside from the patriotic duty thing was the free medical care because the whole reason the government came up with this idea was to prevent the spread of venereal disease ty for the good answer. go off, nanking
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 I can't find it now, but I read a post the other day about how Taylor Swift, in the Global South, ends up being a kind of class signifier*, particularly among the middle-class: that people go out of their way to become fans of Taylor Swift as a means of declaring that they're just that much richer, and just that much more cultured than their peers. Of course, "cultured" in this context is defined as America wants to define it, based on their ability to export pop culture for mass consumption by the rest of the world. And this ends up being a bit of a problem, because not only does it strangle local acts, but even the money that the middle-class spends on is directed towards Swift and her production company, her merch, her concerts, and so on. I bring this up because the underlying theory to the post was that K-pop was a reaction to this American cultural dominance - that South Korea wanted a way to redirect all that attention and all that economic activity into something that would benefit their country, rather than simply having America scoop it all up. Entertainment protectionism, if you will. Of course, in the process, Korea itself created a product that's gained popularity everywhere else, up to and including Americans themselves. (as an aside, it did make mention that China supposedly also did something like this, to head off America at the pass, but I'm not familiar enough with their entertainment sector to say who would fit into this sort of pop music category) ___ * to be clear, Swift is hardly the first instance of this, just that she's the current one.
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gradenko_2000 posted:I bring this up because the underlying theory to the post was that K-pop was a reaction to this American cultural dominance - that South Korea wanted a way to redirect all that attention and all that economic activity into something that would benefit their country, rather than simply having America scoop it all up. Entertainment protectionism, if you will. Of course, in the process, Korea itself created a product that's gained popularity everywhere else, up to and including Americans themselves. That is to say, this is not a new story, though South Korea being independently successful rather than getting subsumed entirely is more than Sweden managed. Though I'll give Sweden this, it is a lot smaller than South Korea and probably also a lot easier to culturally assimilate.
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a story https://twitter.com/powellAtlantic/status/1782559164834705799  https://twitter.com/powellAtlantic/status/1782836794675065083
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:a story lol first they were mad at blm for being undisciplined and now that theyre at a disciplined protest theyre mad at it for being "nonliberated" whatever the gently caress thats supposed to mean
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Sweden explicitly attempted to create a musical culture that could stand up to American influence, decades ago, through major investments in the education system in this area. This produced Max Martin, who has arguably been the biggest force in American pop music since 1998. One of his creations is modern Taylor Swift.
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cat botherer posted:They also didn’t fall under the sway of Japanese pop culture, extremely strong doubt on this one
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They used to ban importation of Nintendos to Korea. Those guys loving hate the Japanese (honestly deserved)
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The new york terfs Research financed by the International Olympic Committee introduced new data to the unsettled and fractious debate about bans on transgender athletes. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/23/world/europe/paris-olympics-transgender-athletes.html
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gradenko_2000 posted:
china (and India) are big enough markets that that kind of american cultural domination cannot happen as easily as it can happen in individual first world countries. Forcing american trends onto markets that are different end up with weird backlash. Disney for instance tried really hard to make star wars big in china with decidedly middling results.
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lol https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/23/opinion/columbia-protests-israel.html quote:Last Thursday, in the music humanities class I teach at Columbia University, two students were giving an in-class presentation on the composer John Cage. His most famous piece is “4’33”,” which directs us to listen in silence to surrounding noise for exactly that period of time.
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cat botherer posted:They also didn’t fall under the sway of Japanese pop culture, because they hate the Japanese for pretty good reasons. it’s pretty much lifted from Japanese pop culture, but they improved on it and polished it up so much more. they decided to use sexy confident women instead of awkward teenagers which broadened the appeal beyond teenagers and perverts. Korean production values are streets ahead of Japanese ones too. a lot of Japanese programs and movies just look worse. it’s like the difference between Canadian and American production quality.
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quote:lusty chanting of “From the river to the sea.”
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Sweden explicitly attempted to create a musical culture that could stand up to American influence, decades ago, through major investments in the education system in this area. This produced Max Martin, who has arguably been the biggest force in American pop music since 1998. One of his creations is modern Taylor Swift. I'm a big fan of Swedish indie music. The Shout Out Louds, I'm From Barcelona, The Mary Onettes, The Radio Dept, etc and that's only indie rock. They pack alot of punch culture wise imo. Full of great musicians who could pursue art as a craft their entire adult lives.
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cat botherer posted:Yeah, SK is much culturally more distant to the US than Sweden is, which favors home-grown pop culture. They also didn’t fall under the sway of Japanese pop culture, because they hate the Japanese for pretty good reasons. Al! posted:extremely strong doubt on this one Kinda search and replaced the Japanese parts. Funnily enough that's also what the US does with it's vassal's cultural products. Casey Finnigan posted:They used to ban importation of Nintendos to Korea. Those guys loving hate the Japanese (honestly deserved) Hootington's ears prick up
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really funny when you get all those investments funnelled in from japan but to placate butthurt you have to scratch off the serial numbers.
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