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Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

I've been rewatching some of Cinemax's dearly departed Strike Back and I had forgotten how strong their action is. Especially for a tv show its bonkers how well designed most scenes are. We're not talking Warrior or Banshee levels of quality but hey, that's a ludicrously high bar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzPP4K9-2dg

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Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

I'm definitely Team Real Gunfire but its also not at the top of my concerns list. I'd much rather trade them in for Real Explosions as opposed to CGI fireballs which never quite look right. Extraction has some drat fine greenscreen work but some of the explosions are a little limp.

The truest summation of filmmaking is Jackie Chan being asked what makes his actions scenes so great and he just replied "time". I miss miniatures too; a lost art form. And still looks better than most CGI-fests.

One good story about Warrior (the show) is how on set they created a place for anyone to come in and practice martial arts and stuntwork. So if actors were on set for the whole day but had gently caress all to do? Swing by the stunt team and get some practice in. It was also open to any actor on the show, so even if your character never had any action scenes coming up you could still brush up and learn a new skillset.

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

So ah.... anyone looking forward to Mission Impossible? I hear that's got some good action.

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

I'd also argue that mission impossible is that rare film franchise that has on the whole gotten better and better.

Mission Impossible 1: more thriller than action movie and hilariously 90s.

MI-2: John Woo does Hollywood should have printed money and critical acclaim. Instead, it takes for-loving-ever to get the ball rolling. Also really ugly gender politics at play here too; the Bond girl ripoff feels super sexist and way way worse than I remember.

MI-3: JJ Abrams does good stuff. Action scenes are kind've a mess but Hoffman's performance is loving great. Abrams also gives Ethan Hunt a character with real traits and flaws! Mind-blowing.

Ghost Protocol: Super inventive and fun action set pieces. I adore the Kremlin scenes almost as much as the iconic Burj Khalifa sequence. The creative team also remembered that Ethan Hunt should have a team instead of a One Man Army. The actual team isn't all that great, but this thread is picked up by...

Rogue Nation: Under-rated. There's a classic spy set-up at an opera that kicks the everloving poo poo out of most Bond movies. There are sniper rifle flutes! As a whole, this hangs together way better than it has any right to. Tom Cruise has a reputation for being an egomaniac but he seems much more aware than other action stars. This film regularly kicks he crap out of Ethan, and I love that his team members actually get to contribute and be more than an Ethan Hunt cheering section.

Fallout: One of the best action films of the past decade, possibly longer?

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

I'll go more modern - here's the best fight scene from Warrior . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uexp4-j6lSk

Plenty of homages to Bruce Lee as well

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

I was born twenty years after the movie was made but I'm STILL angry that one of the best James Bond stunts was ruined by a sound effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzCIbhLUUA0

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

For comparison's sake, here's Ruhian in an episode of Strike Back. This has way more cuts and edits to try and hide that MacPherson isn't anywhere near his equal. I still like it though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xpPviAZJVY

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

Grendels Dad posted:

*leans over to Narcissus* That's Cecep Rahman, the assassin from The Raid 2/Ruhian's bro in John Wick 3.

Ah poo poo, sorry! They're both rad :(

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

Ferguson is fantastic and adds so much to the series.

Vin Diesel and The Rock famously refuse to lose a single fight in any of their movies. Yep, you read that right. Would "hurt their image" or some bullshit. If you're curious why Fast and Furious ends so many of their fight scenes with a contrivance well, there you go.

Contrast this to Tom Cruise, who doesn't mind letting Ferguson (and to a lesser extent, Pegg) save the day. One aspect of the recent MI movies I like is just how scrappy Tom Cruise's Ethan is. Dude gets his rear end kicked pretty regularly and can take one hell of a beating.

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

Everyone thinks that Daredevil's famed hallway fight is amazing because its a oner. And sure! that's true. But its also fantastic because you can physically see Daredevil gradually tire, punch by punch.

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

Speaking of, here's a fun story about how they landed him. https://www.polygon.com/23778565/warrior-season-3-max-hbo-move-cinemax-mark-dacascos-cast Always love to see more goodness from Dustin Nguyen

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

Grendels Dad posted:

The days before the summer holidays are a drought in things to do in school, so I watched Creed III with my class. I really liked the first one, but never took the time to watch Creed II, mostly because I thought the change in directors surely must have hurt it. The third one, I had already heard mixed things about, and mostly came away liking it despite knowing about what an awful person Jonathan Majors is.

One thing that caught my attention during Creed III was the sparring scene between Adonis and the big guy, Ivan. Being vaguely aware that this was the end boss of the previous movie, those scenes felt extremely Dragonball Z to me, and they were a lot of fun. With those scenes in mind, Creed II was a ton of fun. Florian Munteanu was frankly incredible, I wouldn't have expected a mountain like that to have such an emotional arch. So, with some minor point deductions for the third one due to story structure, the Creed movies are 3 for 3 for me.

Yup! Michael B Jordan gave a bunch of interviews where we nerded out about anime and stuffed the movie full of references. Super fun article here: https://www.polygon.com/23617380/michael-b-jordan-creed-3-interview-anime

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

Speaking of Netflix, did anyone watch Heart of Stone with Gal Gadot? Saw a ton of polarizing views on the action scenes.

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

The new Mission Impossible is... fine? Nothing quite as immaculate as the bathroom fight, to be fair.

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

I love long takes on TV shows because you know they've got like, an afternoon, to throw it together. The CW's Arrow threw together crazy ambitious fight scenes every other week, tiny budget be damned.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vySESEIm8kQ

Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

Hey all! Just a reminder that the best action show of all time, Warrior, is now on netflix! If enough folks watch there could theoretically be a show renewal so get to streaming y'all.

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Narcissus1916
Apr 29, 2013

Whenever I think of great western fights its hard to top Deadwood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em7I41ew8C8&t=9s

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