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ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

oh you support China? then why is the "communist" party full of princelings living off inherited wealth?

https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2024/04/22/desmond-shum-on-how-xi-jinping-beat-down-chinas-red-aristocrats

Desmond Shum on how Xi Jinping beat down China�s red aristocrats

quote:

The red aristocrats of modern Communist China behave very similarly to the blue-blood aristocrats of the Western world in medieval times. This elite group is distinguished by its hereditary bloodlines: it includes descendants of revolutionaries who fought alongside Mao Zedong and the children of those who ran China after the Communist takeover in 1949. Because of their high social standing, these red aristocrats�sometimes referred to as �princelings��enjoy privileged access and influence in every aspect of Chinese society. Their awareness of their status can sometimes instil in them a sense of noblesse oblige.

This is an extremely exclusive group�and its archetype would be Xi Jinping, general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party (ccp) and the country�s president. As a son of Xi Zhongxun, a member of Mao�s ruling cadre, Mr Xi was segregated from normal society at birth: he was most likely born in the special ward of a hospital in Beijing reserved for ccp aristocrats. He grew up in a gated compound reserved for senior party figures. He was admitted to Tsinghua University not on merit but because of who he was.

Mr Xi started his political career as secretary to a leader in the Central Military Commission, a highly selective position for someone yet to exhibit talent and prowess. He went on to be groomed by the Central Party Organisation Department, again because of his bloodline, and rose steadily through the ccp�s ranks. �Power has to be handed over to our children; if not, our graves will be dug up later on,� Chen Yun, a former vice-premier, said to Deng Xiaoping after the Tiananmen massacre in 1989. Mr Xi was fast-tracked in his bureaucratic career path, gaining promotions in two-to-three-year intervals over a 30-year span. For a normal comrade, a promotion every five years would be considered good fortune.

During Mr Xi�s ascent to the ccp�s ultimate leadership role, the red-aristocrat clan was his strongest support base. However, the relationship became complicated after he assumed power in 2012, and with his subsequent efforts to solidify his control.

In the past, there had been unspoken power-sharing among prominent red families. This allowed some to exert strong political influence over provinces, others over major industries, and a few over both. It was, for instance, well understood within certain segments of Chinese society that the family of Ye Jianying �owned� Guangdong, the family of Wang Zhen �controlled� Xinjiang and the family of Li Peng had a lock on the electric-power industry. This oligopolistic arrangement reaped astronomical financial profits for some families.

Mr Xi innately views the other prominent families as potential threats to his dictatorial rule. Certainly, you can argue that only the red clan, with its resources and bloodline entitlement, could mount a fight strong enough to topple him.

In response, Mr Xi has dealt severely with members of the clan who have shown opposition or voiced criticism of him�among them Bo Xilai, a former Politburo member and party secretary in Chongqing, whose political ambition led to his imprisonment; and Ren Zhiqiang, the ex-head of a state-owned property company, whose public criticism of Mr Xi, such as calling him �a clown with no clothes on�, earned him an 18-year sentence. Mr Xi has also �encouraged� other red aristocrats to retire from their senior leadership roles in the People�s Liberation Army.

China has a long history of emperors playing off bureaucrats from the peasantry against those from the hereditary aristocracy. Mr Xi has acted no differently. To further strengthen his control and continue loosening the red aristocracy�s long-term hold on political power, he has consistently elevated bureaucrats from outside the red bloodlines to the ccp�s central power functions. Witness the makeup of the seven-member Politburo Standing Committee, the party�s top leadership body, not a single current member of which could be viewed as having red-aristocratic lineage. This has never happened before.

In addition to the loss of political prerogative, red aristocrats have suffered significant economic losses under Mr Xi. As China�s major wealth-owners, red aristocrats have shouldered a disproportionate share of the heavy losses suffered by Chinese stocks in recent years.

The wealth accumulated by the red families in recent decades, both onshore and offshore, is an important part of their power. The offshore wealth is also their insurance policy if things don�t pan out in China. How Mr Xi chooses to handle those riches�and the extent to which he is prepared to confiscate them in order to keep the clan compliant�is, therefore, of paramount importance to the red aristocrats.

Confiscation of wealth as a way to bring down politically powerful or financially influential figures has been used throughout Chinese history�including by the ccp since it took power in 1949. Mr Xi has already targeted several red billionaires. A recent case in point is the downfall of Wu Xiaohui, founder of Anbang Insurance Group and grandson-in-law of Deng Xiaoping. In 2018 he was sentenced to 18 years in prison and stripped of his entire stake in the company, which he had founded.

Furthermore, restraints have been placed on the red aristocrats� creation of new wealth. The last-minute cancellation of the initial public offering by Alibaba�s Ant Group in 2020, for instance, prevented numerous red families from monetising their shares in the business. Rumour had it that the order to cancel the flotation came from the highest level.

The red aristocrats� web of influence, stretching across the bureaucracy, the armed forces and business, has been spun over the seven decades since the ccp took over China. They continue to enjoy exclusive privileges�including the right to engage in politically themed gatherings�and remain a cohesive and influential group. But their grip on power has been loosened by one of their own. After a decade of power being concentrated through Mr Xi�s �anti-corruption� movement, the clans are no longer strong enough to pose a serious political threat to him. Their heyday is over.

thank you, president xi

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# ? May 5, 2024 19:39

Telluric Whistler: Sep 14, 2008

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/PalTw4UN/status/1783012005278101534?t=8wPEpvw9cNzd8sRrdPVq-w&s=19

Lmao that's a cool new online guy. Never heard of Cantonia including Vietnam, Malaysia, and the Philippines.

Clearly all of these countries are politically aligned and would like to be part of an explicitly definitely not Chinese state.

# ? Apr 25, 2024 12:21

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

An actual independent """Cantonia""" would include Guangxi province. Did they even make a fake Cantonia movement NPO in Langley and have a PO box in a strip mall UPS store?

# ? Apr 25, 2024 13:36

RandolphCarter: Jul 30, 2005

cantonia or won�tonia

# ? Apr 25, 2024 13:38

slave to my cravings: Mar 1, 2007; Got my mind on doritos and doritos on my mind.

Southeast Asia sea

# ? Apr 25, 2024 13:39

Megamissen: Jul 19, 2022; any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

why do they call it cantonia instead of guangdong (or the cantonese equivalent if thats different)

# ? Apr 25, 2024 13:57

tristeham: Jul 31, 2022

crepeface posted:

tfw when you weaponize the authoritarian nature of the people�s republic of china to threaten someone

# ? Apr 25, 2024 14:01

Dante80: Mar 23, 2015

mawarannahr posted:

good luck
https://twitter.com/SecBlinken/status/1782951083234533718

# ? Apr 25, 2024 14:10

lumpentroll: Mar 4, 2020

crepeface posted:

tfw when you weaponize the authoritarian nature of the people�s republic of china to threaten someone

# ? Apr 25, 2024 14:10

Dante80: Mar 23, 2015

Chinese companies in the meantime..

https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1783350198502388174

# ? Apr 25, 2024 14:13

sonatinas: Apr 15, 2003; Seattle Karate Vs. L.A. Karate

Dante80 posted:

Chinese companies in the meantime..

https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1783350198502388174

perfect car for Michigan roads.

# ? Apr 25, 2024 14:29

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3: Nov 15, 2003

Dante80 posted:

Chinese companies in the meantime..

https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1783350198502388174

That's a 1989 Lexus commercial. Except Toyota did it for real.

# ? Apr 25, 2024 14:29

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/25/gdp-q1-2024-increased-at-a-1point6percent-rate.html

Its always projection with the US

# ? Apr 25, 2024 14:38

Dante80: Mar 23, 2015

https://twitter.com/thinking_panda/status/1783410587877474763

# ? Apr 25, 2024 15:55

Gildiss: Aug 24, 2010; Grimey Drawer

RISC-V Business

# ? Apr 25, 2024 15:57

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Gildiss posted:

RISC-V Business

# ? Apr 25, 2024 16:11

Telluric Whistler: Sep 14, 2008

Megamissen posted:

why do they call it cantonia instead of guangdong (or the cantonese equivalent if thats different)

Iirc the original proposed area (some Guangzhou official proposed it in the... 70s?) was Guangdong, Guangxi, a bit of Hunan and Jiangxi, and also a tiny part of Fujian.

Guangzhou and other Cantonese speaking regions have historically been a more wealthy because well... Trade and access to the ocean. This has led to a bit of a separatist streak on the fringes a la California because "We're being held back by supporting Shanxi!"

You actually see some similar stuff in Zhejiang, but most of that is tamped down because of the ongoing project to build a national identity layered on top of the strong regional and linguistic identities folks have.

Looking at a smattering of articles on Cantonia and Wikipedia, the only people really talking about it are Chinese economists living overseas who think it'd be good to balkanize because - like above - the prosperity of certain provinces is being held back by the poor lovely backwaters.

tl;dr - California separatist chauvinism with Chinese characteristics

# ? Apr 25, 2024 16:12

fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:

That's a 1989 Lexus commercial. Except Toyota did it for real.

toyota doesnt really do ev cars

# ? Apr 25, 2024 16:25

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Dante80 posted:

https://twitter.com/thinking_panda/status/1783410587877474763

Gamers rise up
Chinese may be evading Nvidia GPU sanctions with Dell, Gigabyte, and Supermicro servers: Report

www.tomshardware.com - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 posted:

Investigations have provided evidence that China-based organizations could still get their hands on sanctioned Nvidia GPUs as recently as Feb 28, 2024. According to Reuters, Chinese universities and research institutes may have sidestepped the sanctions on the most powerful GPUs by buying servers packing these powerful accelerators. However, an Nvidia spokesperson indicated that the products sold were likely to include stocks that had been previously exported to resellers in China.

Tender documents uncovered by Reuters reveal that ten Chinese entities acquired advanced Nvidia chips between Nov 20, 2023, and Feb 28, 2024, by simply ordering servers equipped with them. It is noted that Dell, Gigabyte, and Supermicro server products (including the sanctioned Nvidia GPUs) were sold in China after the Nov 17 expanded embargo, raising questions about sanctions-swerving. Remember, this sanctions policy adjustment even encompassed Nvidia GPUs like the GeForce RTX 4090 consumer graphics card.

Reuters found that the server resellers included 11 little-known Chinese retailers. The sale and purchase of the sanctioned powerful GPUs isn�t illegal in China. Thus, the big unanswered question here is whether the sanctioned GPUs were already in China before November 17, 2023.

In its statement to Reuters, Nvidia told the news organization that the tenders were for products already exported and widely available before Nov 17, 2023. Moreover, Nvidia supported its partners by claiming the documents �do not indicate that any of our partners violated the export control rules.� Nevertheless, Nvidia said it would investigate further.

Of course, it isn�t just Nvidia that will be policing potential sanctions breaches. The U.S. Bureau of Industry and Security monitors the movement of restricted chips and examines cases where sanctions may have been swerved.

Dell, Gigabyte, and Supermicro also responded to inquiries made by Reuters. Dell said it had seen no evidence of servers packing restricted chips being sent to China. It also stated that it would be willing to terminate relationships with resellers found to be breaking regulations and export controls. Gigabyte�s response wasn�t as detailed, with the firm simply stating it complies with Taiwanese laws and international regulations. Supermicro denied any knowledge of third-party exports or re-exports of systems without required licenses. Its U.S. legal firm also asserted that Supermicro goes above and beyond the letter of the law by being proactive about what customers do with their servers.

Earlier this week we saw indications that ample stocks of servers and sanctioned Nvidia H100 GPUs are available to Chinese customers. However, it is difficult to know whether some of these posted offers are clearing existing stocks, genuinely sanctions-busting, or just fraud attempts by scammers.

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FrancisFukyomama: Feb 4, 2019

doesn�t BYD have a pretty decisive market share in Asia and Europe?

# ? Apr 25, 2024 20:48

FirstnameLastname: Jul 10, 2022; got me 50 ounces out a bird in this bitch

Dante80 posted:

Chinese companies in the meantime..

https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1783350198502388174

from what I've seen of the chinese auto market they are going to walk all over everything in the west and all over japan

people think capitalism is better at cars but it's really not
capitalism is better at suiting individual tastes but all of the most successful designs have risen from letting the engineering dictate the design over personal taste and ideal expectations, including every successful economy car going back to the volkswagen
but if people use a design or concepts from something else then they're Copying so there's all these separate designs and manufacturing processes that should really be standardized that then aren't for no good reason and it all makes stuff worse

all variance in models of the same size/role is only making stuff worse and more expensive & the idea of brand and identity are just antithetical to mass produced machines

western manufacturers are retarded and always have been - a clear example in auto racing people were ignoring all aerodynamics except drag until the late 60s, well after inventing the airplane, with cars that went faster than the first airplanes - this was partly because of material manufacturing advances, aluminum and carbon fibers allowing lightweight bodywork strong enough to redirect hundreds/thousands of pounds of air but also because capitalist owners like Enzo Ferrari saying stuff like 'aerodynamics are for people who can't build a fast enough engine' way after people knew it was stupid because stubborn old guys
this kinda stuff is still going on in different avenues of advance in performance/economy and china is gonna walk on all these people and they'll never catch back up again once it happens

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterlyon/2024/03/03/bucking-industry-trend-toyota-chairman-downplays-ev-growth-predictions/?sh=379155204621

"While serving as CEO, Toyoda refused to give EV development top priority, claiming that battery-powered vehicles were too complicated and unpopular with consumers. Instead, under his leadership the company made significant investments in hybrid and hydrogen drivetrains. "
like lol electric cars have their problems but they're anything but complicated on the consumer end they don't even have oil changes

# ? Apr 25, 2024 21:41

tractor fanatic: Sep 9, 2005; Pillbug

FirstnameLastname posted:

people think capitalism is better at cars but it's really not

Not to dredge up a "Is China capitalist?" argument here, but I think the main difference is that while US interpreted supply-side economics as giving tax breaks to capitalists to invest in hedge funds, China has interpreted it as giving money to capitalists to build factories. That feels like something the US could have done before Reagan.

# ? Apr 25, 2024 21:52

MinutePirateBug: Mar 4, 2013

FrancisFukyomama posted:

doesn�t BYD have a pretty decisive market share in Asia and Europe?

BYD has the highest market share in China. Hundai in South Korea. Nissan in Japan. In Europe Tesla has the highest market share.

# ? Apr 25, 2024 21:59

MinutePirateBug: Mar 4, 2013

60% of EV sales globally were in China 8.1 million cars, 25% in Europe, 10% in the USA

https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-outlook-2024/trends-in-electric-cars

# ? Apr 25, 2024 22:11

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

BYD? The subforum?

# ? Apr 25, 2024 22:27

MinutePirateBug: Mar 4, 2013

gradenko_2000 posted:

BYD? The subforum?

the chinese car company - Build Your Dreams, they overtook Tesla in EV sales, in China they are selling for like ~$10,000 a pop vs ~$38,000 for a Model Y. In Europe they have a 25% production cost advantage over the competition https://technode.com/2023/09/06/byds-manufacturing-costs-in-eu-could-be-25-lower-than-rivals-ubs/

They'll probably be kicked out of the European and US markets eventually. For political reasons.

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# ? Apr 25, 2024 22:32

genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

MinutePirateBug posted:

the chinese car company - Build Your Dreams, they overtook Tesla in EV sales, in China they are selling for like ~$10,000 a pop vs ~$38,000 for a Model Y. In Europe they have a 25% production cost advantage over the competition https://technode.com/2023/09/06/byds-manufacturing-costs-in-eu-could-be-25-lower-than-rivals-ubs/

They'll probably be kicked out of the European and US markets eventually. For political reasons.

Looked it up and the cheapest one here still costs about 30k�. Not great.

# ? Apr 25, 2024 22:40

fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

genericnick posted:

Looked it up and the cheapest one here still costs about 30k�. Not great.

so sad

https://x.com/vonderburchard/status/1783203372176158814

# ? Apr 25, 2024 22:44

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

fits my needs posted:

so sad

https://x.com/vonderburchard/status/1783203372176158814

Just subsidized your manufacturing bing bong simple

(you cant and even if you could a huge chunk of that subsidy would go to pay for the energy alone)

# ? Apr 25, 2024 22:48

MinutePirateBug: Mar 4, 2013

genericnick posted:

Looked it up and the cheapest one here still costs about 30k�. Not great.

Ya the price gets jacked up by a huge amount in Europe, which sucks.

# ? Apr 25, 2024 22:49

Spergin Morlock: Aug 8, 2009

Dante80 posted:

https://twitter.com/thinking_panda/status/1783410587877474763

gonna laugh when China forks risc and 10 years from now people in extremely rural parts of Africa have more powerful mobile devices than lanyard wearers in DC

# ? Apr 25, 2024 23:31

GlassEye-Boy: Jul 12, 2001

MinutePirateBug posted:

the chinese car company - Build Your Dreams, they overtook Tesla in EV sales, in China they are selling for like ~$10,000 a pop vs ~$38,000 for a Model Y. In Europe they have a 25% production cost advantage over the competition https://technode.com/2023/09/06/byds-manufacturing-costs-in-eu-could-be-25-lower-than-rivals-ubs/

They'll probably be kicked out of the European and US markets eventually. For political reasons.

Reducing BYDs advantage to just being cheaper is underselling it by a lot. BYD started as a battery developer and manufacturer and made batteries for most of your consumer products. They then decided to branch out into automobiles since they were making batteries already.
Their first cars were kinda poo poo and Musk famously laughed at them during a interview.

Now rhey are the second largest battery manufacturer in the world behind CATL and has arguably some of the most advanced and safe batteries in the world and have a huge range of cars from cheap 10k vehicles to extremely advanced EVs that compares very favorably to Tesla, BMW, and other high end vehicles.

I wish I could buy this here in the US.

https://youtu.be/KueNkBVbYQQ?si=LRqHaLwqiBCgthwk

# ? Apr 26, 2024 00:22

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

Ardennes posted:

Yeah, Risc V chips are recently getting more advanced, they went from small microcontrollers to fully usable CPUs.

Moreover, the "3.0" nm process that that TSMC was using in the Apple M3 isn't a full die shrink, and there is a reason the jump from M1 to M2 processors was a lot more substantial than the M2 to M3 (and a jump to m4 will likely be even more marginal) a lot of it is just they are reaching the end of the line of their current process, and it seems like a performance bottleneck is occurring.

If SMIC or another mainland manufactures can put together RISC-V as an instruction set with their current (or near future processes) they probably have probably could have a direct competitor to ARM/TSMC in a couple years.

x86/CISC is also dying out, which is why it is more or less being left behind because there isn't really a reason to devote serious capital into it compared to different RISC instruction sets.

x64 (x86-64) has been "pretend that it is RISC" for 17 years and that is why it's still being used. Zen shows that there's still some gas left in the tank for x64, and the big hope for Intel is that their big core architecture shakeup will allow them some wiggle room as well (though my personal opinion is that they should be building up their "small" core)

there's a whole other discussion about how the industry's move to ARM is transparently an excuse by large American corporations (and by extension the US government) to turn the "personal computer" into a closed platform, another part of the US' concern for RISC-V is that its ostensibly neutral status can serve as a mitigation against that happening.

# ? Apr 26, 2024 00:42

MinutePirateBug: Mar 4, 2013

GlassEye-Boy posted:

Reducing BYDs advantage to just being cheaper is underselling it by a lot. BYD started as a battery developer and manufacturer and made batteries for most of your consumer products. They then decided to branch out into automobiles since they were making batteries already.
Their first cars were kinda poo poo and Musk famously laughed at them during a interview.

Now rhey are the second largest battery manufacturer in the world behind CATL and has arguably some of the most advanced and safe batteries in the world and have a huge range of cars from cheap 10k vehicles to extremely advanced EVs that compares very favorably to Tesla, BMW, and other high end vehicles.

I wish I could buy this here in the US.

https://youtu.be/KueNkBVbYQQ?si=LRqHaLwqiBCgthwk

Sorry. The BYD Seagull and its $9,700 price tag is just in the news a lot, so that is the point I emphasized.

# ? Apr 26, 2024 00:46

tractor fanatic: Sep 9, 2005; Pillbug

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

there's a whole other discussion about how the industry's move to ARM is transparently an excuse by large American corporations (and by extension the US government) to turn the "personal computer" into a closed platform, another part of the US' concern for RISC-V is that its ostensibly neutral status can serve as a mitigation against that happening.

Can you elaborate? That's interesting

# ? Apr 26, 2024 00:50

stephenthinkpad: Jan 2, 2020

IIRC, Arm's licensing in China is different. Arm under softbank ownership created a new entity called Arm-China which is joined owned by Arm and Chinese companies 50-50. And the Arm v8 is being licensed to Chinese companies including Huawei perpetually via Arm-China. So I don't see how you can make Arm a "closed" platform.

# ? Apr 26, 2024 01:01

Anime Schoolgirl: Nov 28, 2002

tractor fanatic posted:

Can you elaborate? That's interesting

there's a lot of legacy assumptions and quirks in x86 (and x64) that basically enable people to do madcap poo poo like repurpose unsold laptop chips as cut-price PC platforms (GamersNexus has a video on these things: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7Tyv-0hj6A). the fact that x86 eventually coalesced into some open standard over what IBM has long considered "careless mistakes" is what makes the x86/x64 PC so modular and customizable into odd poo poo.

for reasons you can easily imagine, vendors want to put a lid on that. we sort of see this happening to x64 in the form of windows 11's inane requirements such as TPM and "secure boot", neither of which actually do much to secure end users as the vectors for getting pwned for those people don't actually target those specific things (and in some cases implementations of TPM/secure boot make the machine more vulnerable!!)

it does make it easier for Big Data types of people to remotely access/disable machines in what they claim could be a "massive ransomware attack", but it is a rather inane ask to get hundreds of millions of people outside corporate environments to agree to install those things no matter how benign you say your intentions are.

with ARM, the best you get for platforms that let you do whatever is RPI and its myriad of clones and HPC datacenter systems with price tags you can't possibly afford, the big commercial ARM platforms that are actually used (android and ios) are tightly locked and are practically walled gardens and the number of "root"able SKUs goes down with each passing year. windows implementations on ARM are similarly locked down.

e: the windows 11 requirements are also intended to turn many legacy PCs into functionally e-waste, even though part of the beauty of the PC is that you can use stuff as old as say an Athlon 64 and as long as your performance demands are modest you can keep on trucking with that PC. windows 11 was also demonstrated to run just fine on old PCs without those things, though they're trying to find arbitrary ways to deliberately break functionality on such PCs. (AARD code nostalgia!)

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# ? Apr 26, 2024 01:04

ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

How North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un is using the rise of women to maintain his grip on power

quote:

With a glamorous wife, a strong and outspoken sister, and a young daughter all sharing the spotlight with a ruthless dictator, you might be forgiven for thinking Kim Jong Un has a keen interest in raising up the women of North Korea.

The elevation of Kim's female relatives coincides with the growing economic and social power of women living inside the secretive regime.

Researchers who have visited North Korea several times and interviewed dozens of defectors have noticed a new, cashed-up rising class of women who are the breadwinners of their families.

North Korea has always been a deeply patriarchal society, but experts say that a growing number of women in the country are less interested in marriage, and are more focused on money — especially new ways to make it.

Faced with crippling sanctions and left reeling after natural disasters and famine, many North Korean women decided to stop relying on the state and start taking care of themselves and their families.

quote:

Most importantly, she says the people they interviewed noticed a marked shift towards favouring girls — a huge change in a traditional Confucian society that has long valued sons over daughters, because women were the ones looking at new ways to make money.

"In North Korea we are even starting to see what's called 'daughter fever'," she said.

girls rocking

# ? Apr 26, 2024 01:10

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

stephenthinkpad posted:

well now that you put it that way, I look up the youtuber's bilibili channel, it says his location is in Henan, China.

【【越哥】2023年评分最高韩国电影，刷爆全网，就是因为它敢想敢拍！-哔哩哔哩】 https://b23.tv/FiOrUq9

As I said I am more interested in the US involvement both in 79 and 88 more than the coup itself.

tim shorrock wrote about the gwangju uprising but im not sure theres a good english source for anything that happened in 88

https://timshorrock.com/documents/

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# ? May 5, 2024 19:39

Megamissen: Jul 19, 2022; any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

Telluric Whistler posted:

Iirc the original proposed area (some Guangzhou official proposed it in the... 70s?) was Guangdong, Guangxi, a bit of Hunan and Jiangxi, and also a tiny part of Fujian.

Guangzhou and other Cantonese speaking regions have historically been a more wealthy because well... Trade and access to the ocean. This has led to a bit of a separatist streak on the fringes a la California because "We're being held back by supporting Shanxi!"

You actually see some similar stuff in Zhejiang, but most of that is tamped down because of the ongoing project to build a national identity layered on top of the strong regional and linguistic identities folks have.

Looking at a smattering of articles on Cantonia and Wikipedia, the only people really talking about it are Chinese economists living overseas who think it'd be good to balkanize because - like above - the prosperity of certain provinces is being held back by the poor lovely backwaters.

tl;dr - California separatist chauvinism with Chinese characteristics

ok but why use the western name with a western suffix for it instead of transliterating a cantonese name

# ? Apr 26, 2024 01:23

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