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RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007
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RadiRoot has issued a correction as of 15:00 on Apr 25, 2024

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RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007
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RadiRoot has issued a correction as of 15:00 on Apr 25, 2024

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

forget funding the us alongside the uk created this monster

it provides everything the apartheid state needs to survive

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

The Alchemist posted:

where can I buy official Hamas shirts?

I think there's tons of Abu Ubeida merch and red triangle stuff sold online but I cant seem to find it right now.

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

RadiRoot posted:

serious question but without US burger involvement this thread wouldnt loving exist right?

without a metropole it would be really difficult to maintain the colony yeah

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

that's not a serious question that's a dumb baby question

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

HallelujahLee posted:

forget funding the us alongside the uk created this monster

Over 600 men gave their lives fighting these bandits in the Mandate.

RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

that's not a serious question that's a dumb baby question

fine im just loving pissed off ok

RedSky
Oct 30, 2023

What's your point dipshit

Edit: oh nice

RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007

RadiRoot has issued a correction as of 22:59 on Apr 25, 2024

RedSky
Oct 30, 2023
Thank you I managed to catch up.

Pepe Silvia Browne
Jan 1, 2007

RadiRoot posted:

fine im just loving pissed off ok

I get it everything is really loving dumb rn

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

were all friends in cspam

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

RadiRoot posted:

fine im just loving pissed off ok

hold on to that energy

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Palestinians will win.

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

A nitty gritty argument over events in each protest is definitely burger posting, but the protests themselves, and especially the violent crackdowns, are 100% related and Hamas themselves has said so. Probe anyone making it too much the focus, but I don't think posting notable or funny moments from the protests is obfuscating the genocide.

American pigs brutalizing Palestinian students on college campuses in the US is just another facet of the genocide, and radicalizing rich kids is literally a part of other historical revolutions and movements.

DTA DTI Free Palestine

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Mr. Lobe posted:

Is this part of why there is a group of bizarre Indian psychophants to Israel and Israelis

no those psychopaths hate muslims so much that they are simping for a state whose official religion demands circumcision, weaking skullcaps for prayer and says no to pork.

punishedkissinger
Sep 20, 2017

i think mass arrests of teachers and students at elite institutions is a very clear sign that Israel is losing badly. Especially since this is happening while they completely fail to achieve any of their strategic goals.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

WoodrowSkillson posted:

American pigs brutalizing Palestinian students on college campuses in the US is just another facet of the genocide, and radicalizing rich kids is literally a part of other historical revolutions and movements.

They're being morally outraged, and are right to do so, but there's no revolutionary potential if their opposition is informed by the same vague moralism liberalism itself created and promotes.

They can imagine if people acted more morally, they are not envisioning a more moral system, is how I would put it.

It's a contradiction that will still cause the centre-left, and probably centre-right, in the western nations to disintegrate through ideological incoherence, but the disintegration of the existing system is not the same as the foundation of an alternative.

You can sort of view this is as a mirror to the Truckers/chud covid protests/some MAGA lumpen: They are observing real, material, things that cause them to be dissatisfied with the system. How covid was handled was abysmal, it was practically class war. How the gently caress, did that turn into protests asking public health measures be suspended? Well, people don't have the tools to even understand the problems, or imagine alternatives, which of course was deliberate and decades in the making. They have no class consciousness, so they only experience this in moral/cultural (in America these are the same) terms. Therefore, their outrage, while it has a sold foundation (things have gotten worse for the lumpen and precariat of the rust belt), is not directed towards a revolutionary project.

Now, obviously these kids are right, and their moral case is just, and their moral demands, if fulfilled, actually will bring about material good in this case, BDS, stop arming Israel etc.

It's possible that this turns into the same problem as the counterculture of the 1960's: the reforms they demanded ultimately cost capitalism nothing, and now today they've turned around to scold kids these days who are protesting a genocide. Peace, love, and understanding were moral demands, and America did need them, truly, but trying to achieve that through a countercultural movement instead of actually confronting the socioeconomic causes behind the immorality, capitalism, nothing was accomplished. Obviously this dissipation of revolutionary focus was helped along by the assassinations or other mysterious deaths of the people who did have revolutionary sentiment and laid that out in the 60's and 70's.

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 15:19 on Apr 25, 2024

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

WoodrowSkillson posted:

A nitty gritty argument over events in each protest is definitely burger posting, but the protests themselves, and especially the violent crackdowns, are 100% related and Hamas themselves has said so. Probe anyone making it too much the focus

:mods:

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

They're being morally outraged, and are right to do so, but there's no revolutionary potential if their opposition is informed by the same vague moralism liberalism itself created and promotes.

They can imagine if people acted more morally, they are not envisioning a more moral system, is how I would put it.

It's a contradiction that will still cause the centre-left, and probably centre-right in the western nations to disintegrate ideologically through incoherence, but the disintegration of the existing system is not the same as the foundation of an alternative. You can sort of view this is as a mirror to the Truckers/chud covid protests/some MAGA lumpen: They are observing real, material, things that cause them to be dissatisfied with the system. They have no class consciousness, so they only experience this in moral/cultural (in America these are the same) terms. Therefore, their outrage, while it has a sold foundation (things have gotten worse for the lumpen and precariat of the rust belt), is not directed towards a revolutionary project.

Now, obviously these kids are right, and their moral case is just, and their moral demands, if fulfilled, actually will bring about material good in this case, BDS, stop arming Israel etc.

yeh rn people showing up are just thinking about the boot in the face and the tear gas in their eyes and the anger they justifiably feel over more genocide and more war. I wish everyone showing up the strength to push through it and stand up to these pigs.

yr also right though that most people can imagine what a just world would look like, the path to that world is deliberately obscured

speng31b
May 8, 2010

WoodrowSkillson posted:

A nitty gritty argument over events in each protest is definitely burger posting, but the protests themselves, and especially the violent crackdowns, are 100% related and Hamas themselves has said so. Probe anyone making it too much the focus, but I don't think posting notable or funny moments from the protests is obfuscating the genocide.

American pigs brutalizing Palestinian students on college campuses in the US is just another facet of the genocide, and radicalizing rich kids is literally a part of other historical revolutions and movements.

DTA DTI Free Palestine

there is now a stickied dedicated campus protest thread so we don't have to debate endlessly over what is allowed itt. regardless - Zodiums dictate stands for this thread

Zodium posted:

the scope of posting about the american protests is how they may affect the genocide, and how, concretely, the ruling class is repressing the protests. going to fire indiscriminately at anything that strays even remotely outside that.

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

They're being morally outraged, and are right to do so, but there's no revolutionary potential if their opposition is informed by the same vague moralism liberalism itself created and promotes.

They can imagine if people acted more morally, they are not envisioning a more moral system, is how I would put it.

It's a contradiction that will still cause the centre-left, and probably centre-right in the western nations to disintegrate ideologically through incoherence, but the disintegration of the existing system is not the same as the foundation of an alternative. You can sort of view this is as a mirror to the Truckers/chud covid protests/some MAGA lumpen: They are observing real, material, things that cause them to be dissatisfied with the system. They have no class consciousness, so they only experience this in moral/cultural (in America these are the same) terms. Therefore, their outrage, while it has a sold foundation (things have gotten worse for the lumpen and precariat of the rust belt), is not directed towards a revolutionary project.

Now, obviously these kids are right, and their moral case is just, and their moral demands, if fulfilled, actually will bring about material good in this case, BDS, stop arming Israel etc.

The pigs beating the poo poo out of oneself or one's friends is an extremely quick way of radicalizing people and increasing support for ending the genocide in Palestine. i do not give a poo poo about the socialist revolution in the context of this thread and it does not matter. Anything that helps end the genocide is good.

DTA DTI Free Palestine, also ACAB

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

They're being morally outraged, and are right to do so, but there's no revolutionary potential if their opposition is informed by the same vague moralism liberalism itself created and promotes.

They can imagine if people acted more morally, they are not envisioning a more moral system, is how I would put it.

It's a contradiction that will still cause the centre-left, and probably centre-right, in the western nations to disintegrate through ideological incoherence, but the disintegration of the existing system is not the same as the foundation of an alternative.

You can sort of view this is as a mirror to the Truckers/chud covid protests/some MAGA lumpen: They are observing real, material, things that cause them to be dissatisfied with the system. How covid was handled was abysmal, it was practically class war. How the gently caress, did that turn into protests asking public health measures be suspended? Well, people don't have the tools to even understand the problems, or imagine alternatives, which of course was deliberate and decades in the making. They have no class consciousness, so they only experience this in moral/cultural (in America these are the same) terms. Therefore, their outrage, while it has a sold foundation (things have gotten worse for the lumpen and precariat of the rust belt), is not directed towards a revolutionary project.

Now, obviously these kids are right, and their moral case is just, and their moral demands, if fulfilled, actually will bring about material good in this case, BDS, stop arming Israel etc.

It's possible that this turns into the same problem as the counterculture of the 1960's: the reforms they demanded ultimately cost capitalism nothing, and now today they've turned around to scold kids these days who are protesting a genocide. Peace, love, and understanding were moral demands, and America did need them, truly, but by making this a countercultural movement instead of actually confronting the socioeconomic causes behind the immorality, capitalism, nothing was accomplished. Obviously this dissipation of revolutionary focus was helped along by the assassinations or other mysterious deaths of the people who did have revolutionary sentiment and laid that out in the 60's and 70's.

if only you put the same level of effort to scream at the people at the murder-genocide conference you're attending as you are making GBS threads on these kids who are doing what they can with what they have.

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

i dont think hes making GBS threads on the kids

speng31b
May 8, 2010

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

They're being morally outraged, and are right to do so, but there's no revolutionary potential if their opposition is informed by the same vague moralism liberalism itself created and promotes.

take it to the protest thread or shut the gently caress up

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

but whatever back to palestine they're moving another brigade to the south

Strep Vote
May 5, 2004

أنا أحب حليب الشوكولاتة

Jakabite posted:

just dropping into say a very quick death to Israel, death to America, may justice prevail and cleanse the world of fascism, have a nice day

Leandros
Dec 14, 2008

I feel like moving more people away from the north is kind of going to open them up to more attacks from the north. One General's rank in the IDF please.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

nvm

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 15:36 on Apr 25, 2024

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*


tl dr

Ramrod Hotshot
May 30, 2003

it's happening. dti
https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1783015032109863291

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

so literally the same thing they did in the north, which did nothing but kill 10 civilians for each actual Hamas soldier at a tremendous cost

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

hypoallergenic cat breed posted:

Tulane has the highest Jewish student population of any university besides religious universities.

what on earth

Pookah
Aug 21, 2008

🪶Caw🪶





Teriyaki Koinku posted:

I know the diary you're talking about, but isn’t the writer female?

This is the one I'm thinking of:

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/series/gaza-diary

It's terribly bleak :(

Sancho Banana
Aug 4, 2023

Not to be confused with meat.

If it's really happening, what has been holding them back for so long? Were the several months of stalling really just how long it took the IDF to prepare? That's the official Israeli line, and I have a hard time believing that. Is/was it really US disapproval? Did Biden's dementia handlers draw an actual red line for once?

Whatever it is, I hope it's still a factor, and that these signs of an imminent invasion won't amount to anything.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

WoodrowSkillson posted:

so literally the same thing they did in the north, which did nothing but kill 10 civilians for each actual Hamas soldier at a tremendous cost

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



speng31b posted:

take it to the protest thread or shut the gently caress up

Oh neat thanks for letting me know there's a protest thread!

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.

DTI

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CheetoVonTito
Nov 11, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 22 days!)

Sancho Banana posted:

If it's really happening, what has been holding them back for so long? Were the several months of stalling really just how long it took the IDF to prepare? That's the official Israeli line, and I have a hard time believing that. Is/was it really US disapproval? Did Biden's dementia handlers draw an actual red line for once?

Whatever it is, I hope it's still a factor, and that these signs of an imminent invasion won't amount to anything.

Maybe it was dependent on whether America would tag team on their attacks with Iran/ hezbollah. When that went awry, they regrouped and collectively decided to wreak havoc on Rafah

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