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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:yeah portugal seems to be the only place going in a good direction And most of the "free thinker" (read: centre right) press is entirely banking on it going to poo poo by hoping Portugal bursts into flames again like last year or screaming about Russia so hard that they honestly tried to pin the Nakba anniversary mass murder on the USSR being the first state to recognize Israel and saying the worst part about the current Italy government is them wanting Russia to return to NATO and halt all sanctions to it.
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Lawman 0 posted:I think the worst part of the current italian government is how they want to murder all the migrants op because its full of crypto-fascists Hence why I'm listing that as something dumb to center on.
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So after two weeks of constant shaming of a Left Bloc representative (read: more or less Portuguese dsa) for lifting a building and selling it for a high price in a attempt to fracture the Portuguese left coalition , the current head of the Socio Democrat party (think pt Democrats) warned about pushing on that without providing much of an alternative. For those that didn't follow much re: this party's leadership race, the current one was the "populist" candidate vs the "establishment" candidate being a former PM, even if most of such was noted on an anti romani campaign he was involved with. It should be noted it became a non issue so hard that caring about the romani straight up bc a cudgel against said Left Bloc, another being them sending a letter to the Brazilian government protesting the treatment of Lula and demandjng a deeper investigation of Marielle Franco's assassination. This was a negative according to both center media and the right center party. Not pushing the Left Bloc hard enough was enough for the Establishment candidate to protest the head, leave and going to form a more "sensible" party (read: being a party meant to push abortion and euthanasia bans according to his statements that he considered but somehow not the populist right party, that even them slammed his party for adding more blocks to a gender auto determination bill). To give an idea on how hard they attacked the Left Bloc, the centre media ended up giving fluff pieces to a former soccer team CEO that most definitely had the cheer squad beat up his team in punishment of not performing well enough, possibly being the "first mass terrorism" action according to them in Portuguese soil. It should be noted as well: Right populist party head had a surge in popularity for slamming the government for their lacking response of last year's fires and later on was lambasted and called nuts for not wanting to do a coalition with them like they did during this century's IMF intervention. The only way they said that a party like hers could have power? If the Socio Democrat/Centre Right party had a major rift in leadership. Like this one. Kunster has issued a correction as of 15:07 on Aug 7, 2018 |
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To be frank I recall Sic and Publico mildly covering those and was probably the cause of Rio's statement telling people to knock it off with the Left Bloc hate, with Sic straight up acting like a Westworld Host blathering "Doesn't Look Like Anything To Me" while really quickly covering Marcelo's ties to those lobbies. You're right about them being our Tories, I was sorta thinking of Sol having a shitfit over most of them supporting Hillary Clinton instead of Donald Trump + them sort of enjoying a certain avenue of as being "a reasonable party" + the Russia shitfit from a few months back. The Pinochet mourning was kind of a factor I think.
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Also our population is old as poo poo, so PNR nonsense only seems to work with youngsters. However if occasional facebook visits are to be believed, they might get a somewhat worrysome surge on a future election.
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So a few pages ago i talked about PSD (Centre Right) having a split in leadership over the current leader not opposing hard enough to the current government, even if said government is just sort of telling the rest of the left-wing coalition to buzz off. The guy who left has recently announced what his new party is about ("Reasonable Liberalism, with an emphasis on personal liberties and religions, without excesses! American Education and Health System sounds like a Blast, etc etc") and how he's going to crowdfund his party's support. That means we have our own Jeb Bush now!
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Well, it's simple if you think of the White House Presidency and the Country of US as two separate things, one of them being this black box where media comes from I guess. So you don't get any coverage of HealthCare and Drug Policy of the US here unless you have cable and go a few hundred channels until the News ones, which are the US main cable news ones. Or ask an american person. So it's pretty drat easy to sell stuff like Prison Labour, School Vouchers, Shut The gently caress Up Bernie, Maybe We Shouldn't Bomb Syria etc etc if you have successfully shut down any public forum that has at least someone who knows a non-rich US person to inform the realities of stuff like that without getting accusations of being "autistic" and conspiratorial. This leads to the New York Times being seen as this obscure paper bc they had Antonio Costa write a thing about anti-austerity measures and Lula da Silva defending his case there on the exact same tone like if they're trying to tell about this "Dril character" or "SonicFox winning EVO this year" to a confused grandparent. If you ever want to hear US Politics being described like the introduction of a Dingo Pictures cartoon, just watch SIC when they try to cover US politics. (I had Brazilian Politics here for a bit, but I remember they have both an actual brazilian host that explains stuff in the most cold way possible, and a portuguese one) So you get things like our Drug Policy being UNIVERSALLY PRAISED and still getting reports on how that's a good thing while the narrator reads it on the most sarcastic tone possible, camera trained at a heroin addict trying to find a working vein, sharing the same screen with someone saying "We're going to make assisted injection and consumption sites for their safety". Kunster has issued a correction as of 15:34 on Aug 19, 2018 |
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Over here the PSD owned SIC has taken to call Tony Blair a socialist over the Heathrow road that prioritizes emergency and public transportation just to slam the mayor of Lisbon considering that between Lisbon and a few other municipalities and to start using the argument that if you worry about property speculation and rent hiking then you are not a normal everyday person that doesn't understand real person concerns. I guess that's one way to adapt to the modern landscape?
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:It turns out a active hard left is really good at squelching the nazis, who knew. My conspiratorial side sorta sees Observador and Publico suddenly doing Peterson fluff pieces on the oped re: the latter and promotiong the translation of the book (despite nearly everyone neing aware of the man being fluent in english) as a non subtle way to attempt to sell more people on the other side, now that even pundits here are going "oh jeez, i guess liberalism is dead?" But then again Bolton's magazine literally had a piece during the recent world cup trying to get a rw coup here and that wasn't as noted here as Serena Williams's confrontation witht the referee, who is portuguese and was a chance for everyone to post about him "civilizing the savage". Or the whole Maite Proenco poo poo.
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Electronico6 posted:There's nothing cohesive coming out of the PT Right these days, which is why this government can get away with 100 people dying in forest fires and it's barely a thing. And the next year you could hear the loud sigh on the boardroom from the quicker response. No wonder Costa can boast himself easily when you straight up had the media just eager to get some old lady burst into flames on camera to point at. Pundits on camera straight up livid at him congratulating at the lack of a death count this year and accusing him of """politicizing""".
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:Yeah, observador will go totally TrumpTrumpTrump if they can, the other media just doesn't wanna rock the boat. I think its more a reflection of the infighting in PSD and CDS triangulation than establishing a hard right wing beachhead. Sol had a thing utterly surprised of the rw establishment not backing Trump and Publico just today had a "Why are we frowming at Trump when he's right about Iran?!" Piece. Hell, the piece on sapo 24 where they had an editor comment on how they'd handle the nyt anon piece is amusing bc only Observador actually quotes the piece. Every other paper's is an exercise in psychology. " we don't quote anonymous sources!" PSD activelly called Publico out on a piece featuring anon psd people seeking to leave over Rio. Kunster has issued a correction as of 14:21 on Sep 26, 2018 |
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Ya know, reading a piece on Publico that suggests trying to get Luso-Venezuelans and migrants fleeing from there in order to court PSD and CDS for some equivalent of the Cuban community in Miami and fearing that same block might go to protests against oil industries sort of tells me that RWers do have someone that sort of pays attention to the other side of the Atlantic a bit closer than I expected.
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Oct 2, 2018 12:29
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:Yes,its paulo portas, they are trying to replicate the "retornados" block.its really dumb in a really evil way that will probably work. I mean we already had Sic trying to do that with an horribly ill patient that went from Venezuela to Madeira whose wife ended up tearfully thanking the Portuguese Healthcare system during the entire interview so at the last minute they had to pin him as this burden parasite rather than this victim of communism. At least Fox News goes "Oh thank you for your time" when that happens. Hey at least pundits are now going "Oh poo poo maybe we shouldn't have equated Bolsenaro to Haddad as two sides of the same coin over and over again". Positive???!
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Kunster posted:That means we have our own Jeb Bush now! So last time we checked, Santana Lopes and Allianca were gobbled up by Assunção Cristas 'CDS. Rui Rio still shakes his fist occasionslly at poo poo despite not being threatening to the left leadership, we're trying to make media landscape self sufficient by having someone who "googles" news and a news observer to detect fake news with their own Pinocchio system. What can an enterprising socially liberal, economically conservative figure do on this landscape? Wait for John Bolton to get his anti left movement here going? Wonder if saying the word "triggered" next to a pile of corpses has optics and hope reporters don't actually show it and tell the public "social media mobs ravage enterprising lib next to a pile of carbon, pondering about if people get bothered about it"? Attempt to get Bloco da Esquerda out by writing a hitpiece on how they were on Chapo Trap House once? How about a new liberal party that suggests neoliberalism doesn't exist and that's just lefties not knowng what libs are? Based on Ciduadanos and Emanuel Macron? Aren't y'all excited for this? Kunster has issued a correction as of 18:09 on Nov 12, 2018 |
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Why yes but having the sense of keeping a gander on international news means you aren't getting real actual news, which is that the opposition is entirely from nazis and extremely butthurt lefties that didn't vote at all, and that if Macron fails we must endorse Le Pen because she likes portuguese food so she can't be xenophobic. You gotta keep giving João Miguel Tavares a job on writing horseshit and *Kirby Inhale sound* *Kirby expelling a star sound* That liberal party. poo poo, this VICE article is the bare minimum of the kind of coverage that thing should get. Christ almighty I don't even mind that being created, it's just that it just seems like a reasonable followup question. "But Neoliberalism is indeed a thing!" "Noooo that's an invention from portuguese lefties that don't like liberalism so they invented that word" Kunster has issued a correction as of 23:08 on Nov 12, 2018 |
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Which is weird bc the opposite argument is done on Portugal's case, even on papers like the NYT cheering Antonio Costa's policies. Iniciativa Liberal still trying to get relevant, but good luck on a press that's starting to warm up to AOC, even if it involves comparing her to Winston Churchill and barely saying anything about her stated policies. Kunster has issued a correction as of 11:20 on Feb 18, 2019 |
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Maximo Roboto posted:https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1103090334953697285 It's hosed up to see Observador getting the view of "oh, they're just an alternate take on the center, maybe center right, they're just Expresso and such leftovers" when they straight up had a piece complaining about PSD not being like Vox. Still, doesn't stop subscriptions to their premium service being one of the things offered on a somewhat notable contest where a considerable part of the portuguese private market on everything is on.
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So, remember a few months ago when I posted about the newest party, a party meant to show Portugal what Real Liberalism looks like, a party that wants to tell Portugal, No, There's No Such Thing as NeoLiberalism, That's a Commie Invention, shut up Well https://twitter.com/nazare109/status/1120108263104708613 "Oh hey we found yet another Real Liberal Party (Named Chega, and then became BASTA), funded in the last year, that so happens to get US State Department visits. Oh, it so happens that party is Also Of the interest of the US State Department. Whoops!"
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I don't know , how do you end up with a "Economically Liberal, Social conservative" party that managed to name itself after Michael Avenatti's twitter catchphrase in Portugal of all places. Boasted by a paper that has written "Why is the Portuguese Right not as daring as Vox" pieces.
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Not here, watching American Politics coverage over here is like watching a Dingo Pictures flick. We literally had papers here issuing pieces on how if you decide to go read foreign coverage of foreign affairs you're giving yourself brain damage and just stick to portuguese newspapers. Which is loving insane on a state with cheap internet and really high proficiency on the english language. Opening Sapo or watching tv news here is a fun exercise in "How stupid do they think the average viewer is?"
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"YES!!! YEEESSS" a thousand portuguese centrists hiss as they can make Geringonça jokes about the future Spanish government
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Our current Prime Minister promised to quit on the 15th if the government in place decides to vote on paying on its entirety the lost wages from teachers (Of around 9 years given the austerity intervention), after nearly every other left and right party approved of doing so and is going on votes on that day. Given this is a coalition government, this means he has technically set up a time bomb. "So I take it that your media blob is happy about this because they were so against the government they got mad at the PM for being glad no one died on last year's fires and how that's electionalism?" Nah they're mad at the teachers and every other party for pushing him to to do this.
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Both our "liberal party"'s leaders (namely Aliança and Initiva Liberal) got messed up on a car crash, needing critical transport from a helicopter from the national health service, which both demanded the upmost privatization of so in the past. So most reports of this incident are sort of doing a Kabuki theatre in attempting not to say why they're being given poo poo for this, and assuming the rage was from people expecting them to just tough out potential brain injuries after a car crash.
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Jose posted:Lol I mean, they might get a slight rise on their respective blocks due to pity and potential "THE MARXISTS ARE POLITICIZING THE HARM OF PEOPLE" poo poo, but mostly the sell on the idea of uprooting the Sistema Nacional de Saude goes to poo poo after a few seconds of someone looking at a prescribed drug, checking the price online, and then checking the stocking on the respective hospital pharmacies and going "Oh, I don't have to pay 40.000 euros for this life-giving drug. Whoever would say that's a good idea?" and you can barely get any pundit here at all to argue otherwise. Hell, they had a chance with attempting to form some sort of Right Wing "Victims of Socialism" block with the returning Venezuelan Portuguese but they immediately get also enamored by said SNS and a reinforced teacher class that has managed to successfully wrestle a 10 year pay stop on the regions where they're returning to (Mostly the Madeira Archipelago), so it all goes on deaf ears.
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Went out to vote with family on my old high school, it was more empty when I went there today than on other years. I mean you could partly blame the end of a soccer league between two of the major teams + a really warm sunday more befitting of a beach trip than civic duty, but also because Portugal is right on the sweet spot of there being not much drive to engage stuff politically. I would be honestly surprised if one of those liberal parties I poked at on this thread would get more than a representative, maybe two. Apparently only a third knew what the elections were even for, much less even name a candidate they were going to vote for! Still, in terms of numbers so far more people are voting.
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:PAN successfully making the leap from "animal party" to "environment party" will make or break them.so far they are definitely eating the greens/ecology partys lunch. People severely underestimated a party whose pitch on mass media was based on "hey, don't pollute where we get our food, specially on island regions what the hell".
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Hey, at least now we're going to get an avalanche of articles on how maybe it was a bad idea to go "Austerity is actually good you loving entitled children", all of them under major pay walls but still somewhat forced.
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You can't just assume that the nth articles are all of them going death krew on how the portuguese populace are ungrateful shits that think neoliberalism is real. That would drive major distrust of the press!! Now click thru adverts in order to get your news item about the weather.
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It still kinda is and its slowly being worked out. It's just that there's a crop of people mad that the right is being associated with that. Oh and anyone who might call that crop of people shortsighted gets screamed at for being anti-free speech and a pooowwppuhiiist.
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The Portugal Day celebrations were marked by the president inviting in a former colleague of his tv station to make a speech in response to his. It ended up being "What if Jeff Newsroom was Portuguese, and if he was shaming the current president for saying the Portuguese were the best", including a wish for better times that were somewhat prior to 1974 but somehow woke because he mentioned a poem where Luis de Camões falls in love with a black slave. The Portuguese Twitter sphere is full of fascists really wanting him on the Presidential seat. The press is disgusted at the president for criticizing the right and saying he wants to be elected by both the right and the left. I need a drink. Good news! Mike Pompeo sending felicitations to the Portuguese was greater news than the entire speech. Thank you for being the equivalent of a Malibu Stacy cart running in front of the slightly more national turd, you big lug. Kunster has issued a correction as of 22:50 on Jun 10, 2019 |
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Honest Thief posted:Here in Portugal a famous newspaper, regarded by some as left leaning, even if that's being charitable, just published a chronicle from a known nationalist that basically said roma people and black people aren't receivers of human rights due to not being of Christian descent. Because the human rights bill was born out of Christian accomplishment. I am amazed JMT actually bothered to attack the piece.
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It's more that the newspaper is at this point one of the only major ones that actually a) gets published daily and b) survived the IMF intervention and c) has had actual push to get at least one minister fired when he talked poo poo about it. You put that with archives you need at least two kinds of authorization to access so you can't necessarily drag other columnists without having to pay them. That way you barely have any accountability or any kind of consistency if all you require is the "serious newspaper that is read by the most people", which just means "Any kind of stupid poo poo with a huff of pretense can just be posted there."
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Kunster posted:I am amazed JMT actually bothered to attack the piece. Update: I have read it better and whoops, he was defending the piece. Also, he just pooped out a piece today doubling down ending in a "If you blacks wanted us silent about your concerns, maybe we'd still have slavery today". This is the guy who the president chose to represent Portugal on Cabo Verde btw. That's the power of "not having publically available archives of your writing so people can't dunk on your former work or even show evidence of being a Chud". It was very hard to type this as a transforming lollipop with the word "sucker" stuck on it!
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PS's takeover with the other left parties was built from an anti-austerity case, and they're somewhat now the NYT pet for "Here's how you can be a left party, be against austerity politics but play nice with us". They're somewhat closer to the likes of the french socialist party, with constant weird praise of "being a left party, but **mature** and **non-ideological**" from the likes of those that deem any sense of human relief as "electoralism".
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get that OUT of my face posted:Portugal: the Florida of Europe? I don't know if I posted this on SA or even on this thread, but during the IMF intervention and election of PSD/CDS to handle that, one of the proposed things was to straight up advertise Portugal as that to invite in more elders from England and so on to retire here since it was a somewhat peaceful place + had decent weather + not as much political strife going on here. I jokingly proposed that to Floridan pals since that's what Portugal did for decades, I never expected until then that there would be an earnest endorsement of that.
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*Knock Knock* CDS: Yes? Hi we got our asses handed to us on a recent election, and are currently being screamed at by the press for siding with a healthcare proposal that was there to address stuff like a case of a baby that needed heavy crowdfunding for the world's most expensive medicine, even tho we sided with that because anyone who knows the english language can just print out the results for gofundme healthcares and hurl it at our heads any time we propose to "liberalize" it. "The right is dying in Portugal! Do something!" CDS: Huh I guess I could do the thing I did in 2017 which was to shame the current government for not a quick enough response to the fires "No one is dead even if we tried to convince people in 2018 that taking old people who were walking into live fires was populism and government hysterics." CDS: Ok how about we do a law on whistleblowers that specifically singles out like, actual dangerous whistleblowing so the only whistleblowing you can do is either pro-cop or pro-military and that doesn't shame let's say, major sports teams.
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I look forward to Assunção Cristas being on the press going "HOW DAAARE YOOOOUUUUUU" over and over again and being cheered on until she gets dropped on the side for some "Liberal alternative" dumbass that suggests enslaving 25% of the population for fire fighting duties or to get the IDF to go fight our fires for us the minute she criticizes PSD again.
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Honest Thief posted:a conservative party here in portugal was one of the many parties around that world that used a hentai cover as a meme about "gender theory" and the author came out disavowing its usage lol The Rui Tavares editorial about it could be summed up by him just squeezing his temples for a solid few hours.
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I both have pity and giggle about CDS's fate since Assunção Cristas was the prototypical model of the "reasonable centrist" that US and UK mainstream kind of championed over everything ("She's really upset about forest fires! She once in a while champions something on the LGBTQ spectrum! But she's also very much about market solutions, a good balance against the left crazies!!") but then the same press ignored to outright poo poo on her when she tried going on talk shows, to the point she was on the largest morning show at the moment before the Prime Minister and there was little to no promotion about it or tried to do actual centre solutions like advocating for further investment on our National Healthcare System or vote along with a gender ID law that nearly everyone on the parliament voted along other than PSD, being painted as this sudden infection of the left on her. She really managed to piss off the press by predicting a major decline of PSD a couple years ago so she no longer has the graces of the press that isn't either online or on cable talkshows. She was also the former environmental minister on the 2010's IMF intervention government, which means that she could have secured an interesting position of being able to provide commentary on the the environmental dossiers proposed by the left-wing parties and the European Union. Nooope let's just relegate it to a sudden interview where she just adds that as an aside instead of well, having more commentary than "Where is money for your wacky Green New Deal? WHERE IS IT?!! HUH?!" mixed with "Ok, poor people? Starve yourselfs. Everyone? Ok change to everyone driving Teslas and using pens made of cork." Now she's stuck between PSD and what is essentially a bunch of assholes passive aggressively going "Ok why are you stupid Portuguese voting on big parties instead of small ones. Small ones, that I won't name. Ones that care about cultural marxism."
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Electronico6 posted:CDS entire function and reason to exist was to keep Paulo Portas employed in government, but then he got out played by the much better grifter Antonio Costa. Knowing his political career was going into another desert Portas decided to call it quits and the whole party is collapsing, and that's the story of CDS. I'm amazed Cristas hasn't just snapped on camera at this point.
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