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I just finished Vol 5 of the manga, putting me exactly one episode ahead of the anime. At what point have you consumed and incorporated enough dungeon matter that the the cleaners would just revivify you if you died on a lower level? I still refuse believe there is no Persephone or Orpheus like consequence for eating Underworld food. Senshi’s got to be like Swamp Thing on the inside. I am invested in the worldbuilding!
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# ¿ Apr 13, 2024 17:17 |
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# ¿ May 12, 2024 13:51 |
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Hypothetically. I’m just saying…their intestines may be lined with cleaners at this point. If large parts of the dungeon are basically coral constructs, and you can eat the ‘bricks’, then you can use dungeon-mass itself for resurrection spell stock material. The more answers I get, the more questions I have.
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# ¿ Apr 13, 2024 17:42 |
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Thanks. I will read ahead and double back to your spoiler.
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# ¿ Apr 13, 2024 18:16 |
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Terrifying Effigies posted:Everything under the spoilers should be covered by the end of Chapter 52 fyi Thanks. I just started volume 7. Still digesting Vol 6. Interesting how much affinity Laois has with dogs. I'm thinking specifically the leaping dog motiff often associated with Hectate. Wonder if that goes anywhere. Maizuru is a very fun expression of the swan maiden. I'm picking up what Ryoko Kui is putting, down, I think.
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# ¿ Apr 13, 2024 21:35 |
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Can Of Worms posted:Just realized her name is a double pun since all of Shuro's retainers use flowers as nicknames, and Maizuru's name also contains the word for crane. The "skyfish" familiar that Marcille made is an actual modern cryptid. What a loving esoteric flex. You have no idea how impressed I am, right now.
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# ¿ Apr 14, 2024 16:40 |
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Schwarzwald posted:And of course, compare that with her Couatl. Just did. If the coutl had a pair of ram horns or bull horns, then I’d know exactly what sources Kiu may have drawn from. The coutl is, of course, a creature from New World mythology, but the winged snake has been associated with feminine divinity back into Old World Neolithic cave paintings. Horned snakes, as well, which is why I mention it. Just started the 3rd to last volume. Conjecture Senshi ends up being the final Dungeon Lord because he has no desire other than to live a simple hermetic life. He would simply go back to his basecamp and continue on for eternity as a Green Man. The Winged Lion would lose its mind.
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# ¿ Apr 14, 2024 17:22 |
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Schwarzwald posted:...I meant that both her rod and her couatl were winged snakes. Exactly! Marsupial Ape fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Apr 15, 2024 |
# ¿ Apr 15, 2024 04:08 |
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don Jaime posted:Her rod and coatl bring all the boys to the yard. A natural ambush tactic, really. I'm all caught up. What is the group hive mind consensus on long, wikipedia link laden articles? I have things to say about emergently complex systems and paperclip apocalypses, but, unlike Laois, I know nobody really gives a poo poo. This is a really good narrative and the author obviously has a head full of esoteric bullshit and knows how to implement it. Needs more good flying ladies, though. Ninja Swan Princess doesn't count.
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# ¿ Apr 15, 2024 05:05 |
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Digamma-F-Wau posted:IIRC Rods/Skyfish ended up catching on in japanese pop culture (if you look at that article's pop culture section you'll see that it's all japanese media, some of which being pretty mainstream), so it probably wouldn't be as deep of a cut to the pov of japanese audiences as it would western ones. Finger guns!
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# ¿ Apr 15, 2024 05:20 |
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Snooze Cruise posted:See also, the Flatwoods Monster, which probably has more notable references in Japanese pop culture than American. Don't you talk to me about American cryptids and UFOs. I am from west Kentucky space goblin country. My dungeon is Fresno Nightcrawlers all the way down.
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# ¿ Apr 15, 2024 05:27 |
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Snooze Cruise posted:ryoko kui please write a story with fresno nightcrawlers, send tweet I have to tell her about 1960s UFO contactee culture. She has to know.
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# ¿ Apr 15, 2024 05:39 |
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DrSunshine posted:Speak! I, for one, give a poo poo about emergent complex systems and the dangers of paperclip maximizers. First. I have to explain Kui's worldbuilding in regards to magic as I understand it from what she has revealed in text, as I understand it. 'Magic' appears to just another intrinsic component of the natural order. Laois says "like magic or air" in regards to the epiphany that is the Winged Lion, but I think it is closer to gravity or magnetism. There's a whole host of defunct field theories from the pre-Socratics up to 'quantum mechanics' you can use to hand wave that. I think were meant to believe that it's zero point energy. The difference from other laws of nature, though, is that it seems to interact with conscious thought. Specifically desire. I see an immediate chick and egg problem, but let's assume that life needs magic and magic, being reactive to need, boot straps into awareness, if not consciousness. Anyway, all life requires mana, which appears to be metabolized magic. Mana is basically sugar. Mandrakes are mana "sugar beats", if you will. They 'photosynthesize' the magic field into "magic carbs". I'm supposing that the itty-bitty spirits represent some sort of blue-green algae or krill withing the mana ecosystem. Utilizing mana, which is magic laundered via the life cycle, represents immanent witchy stuff. Sucking magic directly from the 'infinity dimension' is trancesndent Lovecraftian stuff. Sky gods are bad for your health, imho. Naturally occurring dungeons appear to be actual examples of emergence. Several factors interact to create a system greater than the sum of its parts. A cave with the right conditions, some handy bats, and slime will start a primitive mana pump. If everything is just so...maybe you'll get glowy poo poo. Like young Falin's little dungeon. I have no idea if they have any kind of organizing mind. Would a big one develop some sort of primal genius loci? Would that boot strap into an epiphany demon like WL should it encounter a sentient being? Regardless, from context, it looks like these can collapse if they aren't getting enough traffic. As an aside, naturally occurring fission reactors are a thing. Again, from context, it appears that dungeons can self-propagate in artificial structures and ruins. Again, dark space with the right humidity. Bats making GBS threads in a forgotten tomb full of standing water and slimes, etc. I want to know if the awakened dungeon would some how pick up the 'theme' of the structure it manifests in. Like, would the Etruscan Tomb of the Bulls just start adding more chambers with weird AI art wall reliefs? Does the dungeon think its the guy in the tomb? The Winged Lion and, I'm guessing, all similar demons trapped in war-era dungeons are emergent systems that have boot strapped into the equivalent of a Chinese Room. It is a completely artificial and mutable being with possibly no self awareness. It exists to interact with humans for optimal persuasion and manipulation of humans. An empty palanquin on the back of an elephant that figured out how to become an rampant AI. I need to know if the Cleaners are naturally occurring like slimes or if they are purpose built conservators by Dungeon Lords.
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# ¿ Apr 15, 2024 07:15 |
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Captain Oblivious posted:There’s one part you got wrong/missed that is important to clarify: There’s no “other Demons”. They’re all the same Demon for all intents and purposes. The Demon is the personality of Mana itself. By devouring its appetite, Laios functionally gave Mana a new personality. I think we are interpreting Winged Lion’s “individual hairs” metaphor. I see each ‘hair’ as an individual instance that is rooted in a greater whole. Heads of the hydra, if you will. Independent yet dependent. From this point of view, Laois destroyed this head’s appetite, but not the appetite of the others. It’s a metaphysical thought experiment. I’m blathering not so much as to be right but to explain my thought process. It only registered a little while ago, but the Winged Lion is straight up doing a Rapture. The Korean Horror Sky Arms threw me, but getting caught up into the sky is getting caught up into the sky. That’s a Rapturin’! Kui evokes a lot of poo poo with her imagery. It’s fun to take apart.
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2024 00:36 |
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Vizuyos posted:There's a pretty clear dividing line between natural dungeons and artificial dungeons. In general, Dungeon Meshi lays out three types of dungeon: I agree with your list of dungeon criteria. Also, I may not be as caught up as I thought I was. I've Volumes 1-13 are on Kindle, with 14 coming out in July. So, if all my weird questions are answered in Vol 14, then great. If my conjectures are all wrong, even better, because then I got to see how close or far off I was. Horseshoes and hand grenades.
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2024 03:41 |
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Synthbuttrange posted:Ah thatd explain it. Yes most of us in this thread have read 14 My only question is...why wasn't the dungeon 'depowered' by igniting the mana that must have been hissing out of the cracked magic barrier/ You had it right there in the first act, Kiu! It was your gun on the mantle! I was sure that was Marcille's plan when she made the dungeon a big cylinder. Spark a pilot light and deflate the fucker.
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2024 04:19 |
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Synthbuttrange posted:i imagine that'd be like setting off a nuke when Falin's tiny jar torched their classroom. Exactly! That'd be rad! It'd look like loving Chernobyl
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2024 04:28 |
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"Elephant foot...sounds edible!" edit: speaking of radioactive food, the revelation that most of the dungeon is basically the Winged Lion by extension gave me the willies. That is enough to make not want to forage in the dungeon. I don't care what you say, that's bad ju-ju. Marsupial Ape fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Apr 16, 2024 |
# ¿ Apr 16, 2024 04:53 |
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Scholtz posted:is the digestive system a dungeon? I was honestly going to make a post about this. Riu's cross-sections of dungeons remind me of an alimentary canal. We're all essentially meat toroids.
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2024 05:42 |
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Exactly what I was thinking of, thank you. I don't think it's an accident that the 'anus' is right above Laois' head. Adventurers are dungeon chow.
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2024 05:51 |
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ronya posted:I'm thinking more pitcher plant Ok, I can see that.
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# ¿ Apr 16, 2024 06:20 |
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I don't know this show and I'm not getting the jokes. Oh, well, nobody got my Doughboys refence yesterday in the Anime thread.
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# ¿ Apr 18, 2024 02:19 |
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Snooze Cruise posted:you should watch taskmaster, its funny I will check it out. Also, I have begun relistening to Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human. Wrangham was explaining how much time our ancestors spent looking for firewood and other things to burn that it occurred to me that the cook fire spell would completely change the course of human development.
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# ¿ Apr 18, 2024 02:37 |
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How much trouble would I get in if I convinced the anime thread that Falin is indeed a chicken-taur and that eventually Laois and Senshi have to eat one of her eggs?
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# ¿ Apr 18, 2024 21:12 |
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Would Willy Wonka be considered a Dungeon Lord or the Demon? I work 12 hour shifts by myself. These are the thoughts I have.
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# ¿ Apr 23, 2024 01:13 |
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Captain Oblivious posted:Dungeon Lord. The oompa loompas are the Demon inhabiting multiple forms simultaneously to disguise its nature. Terrifying Effigies posted:Kabru approves of this post! I want to believe Oompa Loomas are goblinoids, but that is an interesting idea.
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# ¿ Apr 23, 2024 17:42 |
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DrSunshine posted:Depends on which Willy Wonka, I must imagine. Which one do you mean: the Gene Wilder Wonka, the Johnny Depp Wonka, or the Timothee Chalamet Wonka? Each is a unique manifestation, yet shares memories and consciousness with the others. We’ve been over this!
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# ¿ Apr 23, 2024 18:59 |
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Warg beastman Laois would not be the worst outcome for Laois.
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# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 00:45 |
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I’m imagining John Hamm as the Winged Lion. Can’t not. Also, after seeing everybody in the anime thread spitball about why Chimera Falin has feathers and wings…it finally clicked that the Winged Lion’s magic has a ‘signature’ when it creates things.
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# ¿ Apr 27, 2024 14:46 |
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Getting to the time frozen village is a good spot for a season break. After that, the narrative and stakes heighten drastically.
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# ¿ Apr 30, 2024 18:57 |
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Marcille is my favorite lesbian niece and I will never forgive that awful ninja girl.
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# ¿ May 2, 2024 17:17 |
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She's literally the very worst aspects of both teenage girls and cats in one form. It's delightful.
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# ¿ May 2, 2024 21:17 |
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The Shapeshifter Kuro from Mickbell's memories just keeps barking "I wuff you!".
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# ¿ May 2, 2024 21:26 |
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I thought it was obvious when I read the manga, but my brain only see flaws. That's my deal. I am also not scared to flip pages back and forth when I notice poo poo.
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# ¿ May 3, 2024 17:53 |
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MiracleFlare posted:I didn't flip back to previous pages on the shapeshifter chapters because Senshi would be disappointed in me for taking the easy way out now instead I got Chilchuck disappointed in me for not using all my tools Welcome to my life. I can't do poo poo without getting yelled at. Art does, indeed, imitate life.
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# ¿ May 3, 2024 18:46 |
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I'm a gross old man who likes gross old women. Where's my cat-MILFs, huh? Even, Marcille codes as "best plucky niece" in my brain.
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# ¿ May 10, 2024 16:19 |
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# ¿ May 12, 2024 13:51 |
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CuddleCryptid posted:How do you feel about bird witches that have some sort of complex for their boss' kid You say bird witch, I say swan maiden. But, yeah, the moment I get Maizuru to laugh at a joke, I'd forgive her all that child abuse. Shuro had it coming, probably. Marsupial Ape fucked around with this message at 16:38 on May 10, 2024 |
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