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https://twitter.com/jojo_wiki/status/1770139680706527610
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If any part was going to get a musical, Phantom Blood definitely fits the bill.
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Mar 19, 2024 22:19
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Dio's villain coat looks pretty fun
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Mar 20, 2024 01:04
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I need to see this on like a visceral level. Gully Foyle fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Mar 20, 2024 |
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Mar 20, 2024 02:04
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Feel like if you translated this into English and put it on Broadway, it'd probably do pretty well. Licensed musicals are big now!
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Mar 20, 2024 02:06
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I can't think of much worse than seeing a musical but the only musicals I would ever go see are this and a full version of the Simpsons version of Streetcar
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Mar 20, 2024 10:14
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I agree with others here that Dragona being targeted so viscerally so that Jodio can appear and do cool prootective-brother stuff feels pretty unpleasant, and not in the usual "oh Araki...!" way. I know Araki's always liked melodrama but it's rare to see this kind of sexualised violence. Hope he can get it out of his system! Hope Dragona gets to do more interesting things!
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Mar 20, 2024 17:50
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Danny puppetry? Oh we're cookin, boys
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Mar 21, 2024 00:19
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Pootybutt posted:Danny puppetry? Oh we're cookin, boys yeah he'll be cookin alright
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Mar 21, 2024 00:39
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwXmrYuvVfk
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Mar 21, 2024 17:59
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Gertrude Perkins posted:I know Araki's always liked melodrama but it's rare to see this kind of sexualised violence. Going to disagree with you there, Araki loves putting women in wierd lurid sexual danger even if they're almost always saved at the last second.
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Mar 22, 2024 15:57
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That was Lucy's entire purpose in SBR
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Mar 22, 2024 17:29
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Really it's been a recurring thing since at least Part 6
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Mar 22, 2024 19:15
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It's bad and uncomfortable whether the vulnerable people being menaced are cis or trans or anything in between. It's not new and I wouldn't expect anything else, but it's still super uncomfortable, and it hits a lot worse the closer you are to the victimized character. I know I hated reading it in this last chapter. I will say, I think Dragona is awesome, and Jodio's use of violence is cathartic and it's an effective story being told. It's also more than I wanted to see, and I agree with others who are saying that.
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Mar 22, 2024 19:35
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Asterite34 posted:Really it's been a recurring thing since at least Part 6 Part 3.
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Mar 22, 2024 20:38
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Honestly, it's been a thing ever since Dio decided to force himself on Erina and also seemed to implicitly be doing the same with Poco's sister.
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Mar 22, 2024 20:54
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Araki has been using the threat of sexual violence to show how bad someone is from the very beginning, but I agree that there's something different about this one. Unless I'm forgetting something, this is much more explicit than any previous example
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Mar 22, 2024 22:05
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It's because it goes on for about a dozen pages and they're very clear about their intentions, spelling it out in text repeatedly. Usually in the past it's either an abrupt shocking moment, or it lacks the detailed narration.
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Mar 22, 2024 22:45
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SKULL.GIF posted:It's because it goes on for about a dozen pages and they're very clear about their intentions, spelling it out in text repeatedly. Usually in the past it's either an abrupt shocking moment, or it lacks the detailed narration. IMO that's because the point of the event this time isn't it establishing someone as evil (it does, but that's not important, I seriously doubt Random Bully # 5 is going to show up as an arc villain thirty chapters down the line), but that it's happening to our protagonists and is trying to demonstrate their different thoughts and responses on the event. Dragona outright says as much, indicating they viewed the chain of events as an absurdity of reality unconnected to anything they did or did not do (which is right, Dragona's gender presentation didn't somehow cause the students to bully them), but that Jodio saw it as an injustice that needed to be avenged, and the subsequent events as the result of some mechanism in the world responding to his actions (so clearly he just needs to figure out how that works and he'll be able to murder all the people he wants to!). Consequently Dragona notes they could move on (even if they were miserable doing so), while Jodio would really never be able to let go since that viewpoint means everything has to wrap around to being his fault, somehow. I'm in agreement with some of the others that this divide is probably going to become increasingly apparent as the story goes on, and the Joestar siblings might end up splitting ways at some point over it. I definitely get being upset by the visceral nature of what's shown (the actual physical wounds are a lot, even if I get it was to give Smooth Operators something to work with), but I feel like it would have to be something like this to work as intended? I think it would have to be centered around something as fundamental as gender identity to avoid implying any sort of "active" action on Dragona's part that could be seen as causal (feel like this is an issue sometimes with "misunderstanding" type plots, where they end up carrying an implication that it's the fault of the victim for not making sure they were understood rather than whoever made the wrong assumption in the first place), and at that point I'm not sure the specific type of violence involved changes how hosed up the situation is very much.
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Mar 22, 2024 23:41
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Mar 22, 2024 23:43
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Eiba posted:It's bad and uncomfortable whether the vulnerable people being menaced are cis or trans or anything in between. It's not new and I wouldn't expect anything else, but it's still super uncomfortable, and it hits a lot worse the closer you are to the victimized character. I know I hated reading it in this last chapter. Araki is validating her as a trans woman by menacing her in the story the same way he does to most of his cis female characters
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Mar 23, 2024 20:12
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Isn't Dragona a trans man?
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Mar 23, 2024 20:42
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Waffleman_ posted:Isn't Dragona a trans man? That's the one thing they're definitely not
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Mar 23, 2024 20:46
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Nobody knows what Dragona's exact situation is except Araki. Even Jodio was "Yeah my big bro's chest started getting bigger a couple years ago" (isn't he the only non-antagonist to refer to Dragona as any specific gender?). All that's concrete is that Dragona is gender-nonconforming.
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Mar 23, 2024 21:28
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How is Dragona received in general? I assume most jojo fans are pretty tolerant considering how homoerotic some parts can get, and there aren't jojo fans out there who are saying Araki has gone woke or some other bs. And yeah that scene made me pretty uncomfortable
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Mar 24, 2024 06:31
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I remember some lovely trolling along the lines of "westerners are projecting their concepts of trans/genderqueer people onto the Japanese, he's just an okama and not someone seriously trying to be a woman" though I'm not sure if that's died down. Unfortunately people who are okay with gay people or are queer themselves but are still transphobic exist.
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Mar 24, 2024 06:46
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with smooth operators you can have any kind of genitals at any point
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Mar 24, 2024 13:59
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goblin week posted:with smooth operators you can have any kind of genitals at any point Well, you could at least put them anywhere on your body. Dragona could turn someone into a literal dickhead.
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Mar 24, 2024 15:43
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goblin week posted:with smooth operators you can have any kind of genitals at any point we've been through this with that whole annasui thing
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Mar 24, 2024 16:50
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Brandfarlig posted:Well, you could at least put them anywhere on your body. Anywhere on or off the body, it seems. Fully detachable as it were. Honestly Smooth Operators might be one of my favorite Stands of all just from the crazy things it could potentially do. Up there with Crazy Diamond.
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Mar 24, 2024 17:59
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If Smooth Operators can move parts of organic objects onto inorganic objects, then it follows that Dragona could give Paco knife blades on his hands so he can wield even more knives at once.
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Mar 24, 2024 18:30
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Gully Foyle posted:Anywhere on or off the body, it seems. Fully detachable as it were. The possibilities are endless. It does feel a bit like a more specific Crazy Diamond. Which I suppose isn't unusual for stands in later parts.
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Mar 24, 2024 22:14
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Schubalts posted:If Smooth Operators can move parts of organic objects onto inorganic objects, then it follows that Dragona could give Paco knife blades on his hands so he can wield even more knives at once. Do that with Charmman, maybe then he'll learn how to wield a knife.
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Mar 25, 2024 01:10
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Decided to finally catch up with part 9, a few thoughts: - Have we seen anyone else as similar to their original version as Rohan in the new continuity? Obviously there are a lot of characters with the same name but even if they're recognisable they usually get a significant design shift. Part 9 Rohan honestly feels like he could just be the same guy. This is probably just Araki giving an enduring fan favourite one more outing but it's kindof funny when combined with that joke about him being able to keep up with the speed of Made in Heaven. - Other than that, interesting that I can't really think of many other links to the original run other than Jodio -> Giorno and the whole "trying to succeed at crime" setup being sortof like part 5. - While we had backstory for Jodio, we haven't really had any explanation for why a bunch of stands would manifest on O'ahu, right? I assume the lava rocks and weird water stuff could be linked but those all seem to be on the main island. - Wonder if Charmingman is part rock human, since his skin doesn't seem to be directly related to his stand and we were told it was possible in part 9.
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Mar 27, 2024 20:37
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I'm thinking the lava rocks may have something to do with the Wall Eyes from Part 8, since the Wall Eyes sprung up after an earthquake and volcanoes are also a sort of plate tectonic phenomenon
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Mar 27, 2024 21:39
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Also it's kindof funny that for all the references I'm pretty sure this is the first time two characters have had a full conversation about music
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Mar 28, 2024 16:26
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They talk about Prince in DiU, but that might not count as a full conversation. Outside that it might be the first? I feel like there must be another though
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Mar 28, 2024 20:20
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Weird Al and Michael Jackson both get a mention.
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Mar 28, 2024 22:44
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Fugo atleast brings up music
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Mar 28, 2024 23:06
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I know that Daiya brings up some music, but I'm not sure if I would call what she is having with Gappy a 'conversation'.
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