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Is Giorno going to do the thing today, or will that be next week?
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May 17, 2019 15:24
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Aurora posted:bruno vs king crimson was perfect imo That long shot of Bruno awkwardly swaying as King Crimson monologued behind him looked pretty stupid tbh
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May 17, 2019 23:17
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Dragonwagon posted:Part 6 is where the stand powers go really off the rails and I'm dying to see it all animated. And I'm 'animated' to see everyone dying.
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Jun 2, 2019 12:11
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Death would have been a kinder fate
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Jun 2, 2019 18:59
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Augus posted:Am I misremembering how long the upcoming fights were because it feels like not a whole lot of material is left for 6 episodes? Don;t forget about Rolling Stone! 
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Jun 7, 2019 23:40
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I would really like to hear Araki try and explain what was up with all the elves and goblins in Part 6. Even for a series called JoJo's Bizzare Adventure that was such a baffling artistic choice.
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Jun 10, 2019 19:08
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Gyro dies as a direct consequence of walking back on his redpilled True Man's World bullshit and putting himself at risk to save Lucy. Everything else aside I like his failure against Valentine comes from deciding being a good person is more important than ABSOLUTE DETERMINATION even though the stakes in his case are literally fatal.
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Jun 10, 2019 21:42
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iirc Giorno and Mista make a token effort but there's no real Stand battle where they actually try and outwit Diavolo or exploit the shortcomings of King Crimson's powers, after Chariot Requiem it's pretty much just a dash for the Arrow
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Jun 15, 2019 11:54
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It does kinda suck the final battle is more about Jotaro than Jolyne, but Pucci's death at the hands of Weather Report is a hell of a better ending than GER
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Jun 15, 2019 18:00
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Aurora posted:yeah too bad about the main character You could say the same about Jonathan dying in Phantom Blood? Jolyne giving up her life to allow Emporio to escape is good characterisation, just because it isn't the optimal happy ending for her it doen't mean it's bad writing
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Jun 15, 2019 18:17
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Aurora posted:Jonathan's death isn't convoluted bullshit No, he killed him by spontaneously developing the power to shoot laser eyes after his entire body was destroyed. Made in Heaven was extremely well foreshadowed and and planned out by contrast.
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Jun 15, 2019 18:24
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Aurora posted:He could already shoot laser eyes. Acting like Made in Heaven is some masterpiece of a superpower because Space Ripper Stingy Eyes exists is loving dumb. Dio only figures out he can do it after Jonathan has already beaten him and he's falling off the castle, entirely as a contrivance to allow him to gank Jonathan despite being decapitated. Made in Heaven comes about as a result of Pucci achieving communion with his god (DIO) and grants him what he believes is mastery over the main overarching concept of the series (Fate). I mean it's fine if you don't like it, but there was a logcal conclusion to the story being told in Stone Ocean and the original JoJo contiunity as a whole.
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Jun 15, 2019 18:34
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Aurora posted:acting like it's a good narrative decision that the villain is literally untouchable because of space ripper stingy eyes doesn't make it good, sorry I don't feel like you're discussing this in good faith, you're the one who said Jonathan's death was less bullshit that Jolyne's. I don't particularly mind that was a way to get the ending Araki wanted but it's definitely one of the biggest asspulls of the series. Regardless, the point of the ending is Pucci isn't untouchable and he didn't control Fate anywhere near as much as he thought, as his brother had always had the hard counter to his seemingly invincible power ever since they became Stand users and he had always been fated to die to Weather Report through his own actions.
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Jun 15, 2019 18:51
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Darko posted:Not in the terms of a JoJo's manga battle because it's presented as a "perfect" defense. Being able to see what will happen ahead of time and just erase it in a fight is far above anyone else to this point (even Kar's "unkillable" can be negated by Stands that can effectively trap him or erase him). There are a few technical Stands that can beat KC, but nothing that any of the main protagonists have. The problem with King Crimson is it does 'cheat' like no other main villain's Stand does. Because it's never firmly established how people experience erased time the cast don't get to react to it in a logcal way had Araki had stuck firm with any single depiction. Instead sometimes its Futurama Time Keeps Skipping-style cuts forward where people continue to take actions but can't recall them, other times physics seem to continue but everyone is vacant for the duration as with Polnareff's blood drops and then other times it just seems to be The World. If the cast could have always been able to tell time has been erased because they're halfway across the room and in a completely different position for example, they could have at least tried to fight around its ability.
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Jun 15, 2019 19:00
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Doppio would really need to be in on the act for him to be read as a single character with Diavolo. As he spends the entire manga genuinely thinking he's his own man just working for Diavolo and never develops any real agency he's not so much a symbiotic part of 'The Boss' as a subservient persona to be worn and discarded as convenient. He dies without ever knowing his true nature or his role in Diavolo's schemes.
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Jun 15, 2019 20:06
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Cross posting from the anime thread because I guess these are technically spoilersKaiser Mazoku posted:Choosing to betray the boss was a pretty major decision they made on their own. Giorno's plan to betray the boss ends up being to faithfully follow orders up until the very moment Bruno's hand is forced by an unrelated turn of events, he doesn't actually do anything himself to forment the rebellion or develop his own plan to move against him (does he even come clean that he was a traitor from the start once Bruno's crew decide to revolt?). Basically the entire coup up to and including the means of Diavolo's defeat just kind of falls on his lap.
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Jun 18, 2019 20:24
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Does he give that 'two days from retirement' speech in the manga? Because that was really on the nose lol
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Jun 21, 2019 19:21
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The true effect of King Crimson is erasing memory of passages of the manga, leaving only the consequence of us complaining about things that did or didn't happen in it
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Jun 21, 2019 23:59
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:How much are you going to say about exactly why part 7 is rebooting to 1890, with an alternate Jonathan who isn't a 100% match and isn't even British gentry? There's nothing really to suggest the SBRverse is the new universe created at the end of Stone ocean, it's just a reboot
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Jul 2, 2019 10:06
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Wait, Anasui was trans?
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Jul 3, 2019 21:57
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Elephant Parade posted:I mean, given that there are two episodes left, it almost certainly has a weakness? And I imagine we're going to see it. Sweet summer child ...
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Jul 5, 2019 20:10
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CJ posted:Hah, i didn't even consider that anime onlies think there's 2 episodes of fight left. iirc it's immediately after this, that MUDA OHKOs him
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Jul 5, 2019 20:21
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Never heard that it was a last minute thing before, so I’m gonna go ahead and say it’s misinformation Nah, here's the afterword where he discusses changing the ending. From his comments it seems the creation of Made in Heaven itself was part of that last minute change, so at the very least C-Moon would likely have played a larger in the original draft. Other than that I guess they'd have killed Pucci and then everyone went home, which Araki seems to think would have been a flat note to end the saga on.
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Jul 8, 2019 11:27
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Pootybutt posted:My reading of it is that touching the rock would somehow psychically clue Bruno in on when and how he would die, and super-compel him to suicide or something. Actually knowing your fate and eventual death grants you peace and allows you to accept death contentedly, god it's like you didn't read Stone Ocean at all (for reals though there's no way Bruno would take the easy way out when his crew is depending on him, his entire arc is about any and all amounts of poo poo to save his dudes)
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Jul 28, 2019 22:40
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:It's really something worthy of someone much worse than Diavolo. Like Cioccolata. Or Funny Valentine. It's an absolutely horrific power that should be used against anyone, though it really does speak to Giorno's personality that given unlimited power he develops a Stand that lets him be Old Testament God and sentence those he deems unworthy to eternal damnation. God what a loathsome character.
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Jul 30, 2019 21:59
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Improbable Lobster posted:Dude didn't know what GER did, he didn't choose his stand Stands are a manifestation of their user's soul and reflect their personality, even if only subconsciously
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Jul 30, 2019 22:03
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Johnny Joestar posted:yeah also it's not like the whole requiem thing is super conscious on the stand user's part, i doubt polnareff was really hype on the idea of loving everything around him falling asleep and switching souls Polnareff's deal was presumably that he wanted to be free of his broken body and being completely defeated in mind and spirit he couldn't control that impulse and it manifested in the completely haywire way it did with Chariot Requiem. Stands have never been handed out randomly and GER 'restoring life' to causality destroyed by KC lines up perfectly with the concepts behind GE already, just in a more metaphysical sense. So I don't think tthere's any reason to doubt the power of GER on some level comes from Giorno's own desires, sending people to the infinite hell dimention and all.
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Jul 30, 2019 22:48
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Expect My Mom posted:do you think this of Josuke too Yeah Josuke's actions leave a bad taste in my mouth too, but also they're also not torturing a guy forever, as in a literal eternity without end. Sooner or later Angelo and Ternosuke will be destroyed one way or another and according to GER Diavolo will still dying over and over in his loop of non-time long after the Sun's burnt out and life on earth has ceased to exist. It's an unthinkably horrific thing to do to anyone, regardless of how big a monster they've been during their life. And I really don't buy Giorno is blameless for the actions of GER, it's a entity formed from his thoughts and desires and it can only do the things it does and chooses to do them because consciously or not that's what Giorno wants to happen. Heck the whole reason Giorno was able to master the Arrow was because he was able to control its impulses.
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Jul 31, 2019 22:04
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi7jdqF_3Wg I maintain Megalomania would be absolutely perfect for ED2
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Aug 1, 2019 19:54
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Part 5 is the only one I'd describe overall as bad, even if it does have some extremely strong chapters and fun characters along the way. 4 & 7 are generally agreed to be the high points of the franchise in the english speaking world, which I think is pretty accurate.
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Oct 2, 2019 18:53
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Zinkraptor posted:The thing about King Crimson is that, while you can figure out how it works at a single moment in the story, it’s exact function and limitations change frequently so attempting to make the whole thing fit together is not actually possible. When you know a little about Vento Aureo: 'It just works' When you know a somewhat about Vento Aureo: Actually the confusion about KC's power was just because of the bad translation, it's actually pretty straightforward and makes perfect sense now! When you know alot about Vento Aureo: 'It just works'
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Oct 4, 2019 17:27
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Are they still dealing with the unbelievably old man? I've not read the manga in a couple of years but I swear they've been dealing with the insanely old man ever since I started following the thread again.
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Oct 19, 2019 20:48
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dudermcbrohan posted:is it really random when the whole plot has been the road to obtaining a mcguffin that gives the main character the ability the metaphorical opposite of the villain's "unbeatable" power The whole plot had been the gang trying to find out the boss's identity. When that turns out to have been a complete waste of time Polnareff just emails them out of the blue at the 11th hour and tells them to come use the arrow instead.
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Oct 24, 2019 18:56
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Black August posted:Kind of funny to see the escalation of Stand power each arc, from A-Rank super Stands, to getting a second arrow hit, to giving your Stand the second arrow hit, to ending with a literal Heaven ritual And then for the creation of the ultimate Stand that trumps every other power - riding your horse real good.
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Oct 24, 2019 19:22
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Bear in mind they spent over a year just fighting Valentine, this neverending climax might be going on for quite a bit longer still
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Nov 20, 2019 14:55
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Electric Phantasm posted:What part of Dragon's Dream don't people understand? The 'luck' just seems to be completely arbitary and like an attack in itself rather than an application of a natural law, like Dragon's Dream just says 'uh ... your right knee is really unlucky now, something insanely unlikely will happen to you if he touches your right knee' so it doesn't seem like he's actually doing feng shui, he's just cursing his target to experience constant critical fails with an extremely convoluted fake explanation behind it? And how does detaching his limbs come into it, what's the deal with that?
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Nov 21, 2019 22:16
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I don't know why you'd have an issue with people finding the explicitly comedy protagonist funny, but there you are.
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tbp posted:i am really glad valentine was just gradually redesigned to not be a little goblin monster And by gradually you mean 'literally one scene where he gets really horny'
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Valentine legit changes from chubster to insanely jacked guy over one scene as he's menacing Lucy in his mansion. There's no alternate reality shenanigans, it's just Araki playing the Tamani stature thing for drama, you can go look it up.
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