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Good stuff folks, comics history, man comics are cool. And Cyclops is very underrated by the layman even when they do know who he is, as we know, you gotta touch a comic book to fully appreciate that gent.
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Yeah, I don't think Cyke got a single really good moment in any of the movies, did he? And he's pretty two-dimensional in the old cartoon too, those dimensions being "Gosh dangit Wolverine stop being so cool all the time" and "JEEEEEEAN!!!" That's one thing I really hope for in the reboot, for Cyclops to be accurately portrayed as the wrong man to gently caress with, in addition to being a dork.
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Apr 23, 2024 23:49
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Soonmot posted:Ellis did the Extremis arc, right? I thought that was well received.
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Apr 24, 2024 00:04
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Diet Poison posted:Yeah, I don't think Cyke got a single really good moment in any of the movies, did he? And he's pretty two-dimensional in the old cartoon too, those dimensions being "Gosh dangit Wolverine stop being so cool all the time" and "JEEEEEEAN!!!" I hear that the new X-men '97 series has some strong 'Cyke was right' vibes included, but haven't watched yet to confirm.
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Apr 24, 2024 00:11
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Diet Poison posted:Yeah, I don't think Cyke got a single really good moment in any of the movies, did he? And he's pretty two-dimensional in the old cartoon too, those dimensions being "Gosh dangit Wolverine stop being so cool all the time" and "JEEEEEEAN!!!" '97 has done a good job with him. In TAS he did have at least one great moment I've never forgotten: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHJxJpRqqyo But really it's just impossible for me to imagine someone knowing who the X-Men are without knowing Cyclops. He's the Leader in basically everything. You don't have to know much about him but Wolverine's thing (in popular perception) is being the renegade. He's a loose cannon on the edge! As such, he doesn't work without someone going "dammit Logan, turn in your badge!" That was more or les Cyke's role on TAS, although he was always a member of the team out there fighting so it kept him from coming off too much like the pencil pusher authority figure you hate in old action films. Man, i loved TAS Sinister, though. '97 looks like hey're going with him as a major villain too, along with his personality from the cartoon. I can't wait.
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Apr 24, 2024 00:15
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Sephyr posted:I hear that the new X-men '97 series has some strong 'Cyke was right' vibes included, but haven't watched yet to confirm. It's kinda up in the air right now. He has a really great moment in EP5 which looks like it might go there but you can also interpret it in other ways. But one of the directors has openly admitted Cyke is one of his favorite characters and it shows.
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Apr 24, 2024 00:18
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I dig him in TAS, with the expectation of the aforementioned bit of a corny role he is in. And for sure he's done well in '97, great stuff.
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Apr 24, 2024 00:25
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I really hope the comics start doing the thing '97 did where he uses the optic blasts as a movement ability.
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Apr 24, 2024 01:54
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Gaz-L posted:I really hope the comics start doing the thing '97 did where he uses the optic blasts as a movement ability. He did that a couple times in the Claremont era.
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Apr 24, 2024 02:17
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I love Cyclops but I don’t think I could appreciate him until I read more comics as an adult. As a child Wolverine won me over.
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Apr 24, 2024 02:32
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Diet Poison posted:Yeah, I don't think Cyke got a single really good moment in any of the movies, did he? And he's pretty two-dimensional in the old cartoon too, those dimensions being "Gosh dangit Wolverine stop being so cool all the time" and "JEEEEEEAN!!!" His best moments in the first three movies are being the one to blast Magneto at the end of the first movie and a cool but short fight against some nameless goons in the second one. And then he's immediately taken down by Deathstrike and is pretty much out of the rest of the movie except to cry over Jean at the end. Marsden deserved so much better. And then of course he's killed off in the third out of spite because Marsden went to make Superman Returns, even though he said he could have done both movies. I guess in the prequel films he's treated a little better, but he doesn't really get any standout moments. Even Dark Phoenix, which should have Cyclops as a major supporting character, has him take a backseat to Xavier and Magneto.
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Apr 24, 2024 02:43
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Edge & Christian posted:the gap between 1992 and 2000 was more due to Batman & Robin bombing and everyone thinking superhero movies weren't tenable until Blade was a relative smash and people started thinking the market might bear a superhero movie or two. I sort of love that for all the talk of Batman & Robin killing superhero movies and Blade resuscitating them, there's only about a year in between the two films.
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Apr 24, 2024 02:46
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Edge & Christian posted:I think it was well received in the abstract, but also was only six issues released across 18 months and then the book bounced around between the Knaufs or a single Knauf or Christos Gage or Stuart Moore or etc. for a couple of years before it petered out as a secondary book to Fraction/Larocca's new Iron Man series that coincided with the first movie. Compared to Brubaker Captain America or Bendis Avengers, it sold less/didn't last as long/came out slower/is generally less remembered. I really liked those Knauf books and thought they were better than Elliss which really didn't amount to much. A real good companion to Brubaker's work in Captain America which were uniformly excellent.
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Apr 24, 2024 03:16
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It's been ages since I read a Captain America book. Any standouts to suggest?
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Apr 24, 2024 03:21
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If you haven't read the Brubaker run, read the loving Brubaker run it's so good. I remember liking Coates' run too. The recent Lanzing and Kelly run, along with the sister Tochi Onyebuchi run also on Captain America (Sam Wilson version.) I'm even liking JMS' current run, to my pleasant surprise.
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Apr 24, 2024 03:28
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Sephyr posted:It's been ages since I read a Captain America book. Any standouts to suggest? There's a short run released like 6 months after 9/11 that I think is very good and I think was planned on the fly because they were thinking of doing something different, and then 9/11 happened and they were like "okay, our whole plan for Captain America needs to change" It's the one where he actually publicly reveals his identity as Steve Rogers. I just mention it because I knew someone would have already recommended the Brubaker run before I could post. The original Secret Empire arc is also pretty good and ends with President Richard Nixon committing suicide in front of Captain America and that fucks up Steve so much he stops being Captain America for a while.
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Apr 24, 2024 05:10
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It goes on for ages but there's always Mark Gruenwald's run.
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Apr 24, 2024 12:35
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I always found it weird that Captain America ever had a secret identity. You'd think it would have been made public at some point in the decades he was 'dead'.
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Apr 24, 2024 12:51
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Air Skwirl posted:The original Secret Empire arc is also pretty good and ends with President Richard Nixon committing suicide in front of Captain America and that fucks up Steve so much he stops being Captain America for a while.
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Apr 24, 2024 14:18
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Angry Salami posted:I always found it weird that Captain America ever had a secret identity. You'd think it would have been made public at some point in the decades he was 'dead'. In universe it's because they had another guy take up the mantle for a while.
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Apr 24, 2024 14:58
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OK now we know Xavier’s deal.
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Apr 24, 2024 19:54
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Angry Salami posted:I always found it weird that Captain America ever had a secret identity. You'd think it would have been made public at some point in the decades he was 'dead'. Yeah, I'd read comics that had Captain America as a guest star before that and I didn't realize he had a secret identity, and then I mostly knew him from the Brubaker series and Bendis' New Avengers and that's post reveal so I thought it had been common knowledge in universe forever. And then I read the series I just mentioned and was like "wait? people didn't know." I bet it's the same kinda thing for people in their 20s or whatever who loved Iron Man as a little kid and go back and read old comics where he's pretending to be his own bodyguard.
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Apr 24, 2024 20:05
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I think Scott's only slept with Jean Grey, Jean Grey's clone Madelyn Prior, and Emma Frost. But it's Gail Simone trying to stir up trouble. https://x.com/GailSimone/status/1783187868565057833
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Apr 24, 2024 20:31
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I think there was tension between him and Betsy Braddock when she was in Kwannon's body? Basically the idea seems to be there's something about Scott Summers' brain that gets telepath gals all revved up.
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MonsterEnvy posted:OK now we know Xavier’s deal. Dudes gonna sacrifice the AI to become a Dominion then let himself be imprisoned i loving know it He'll probably watch everything from in his little cell
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Apr 24, 2024 20:37
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Gaz-L posted:I think there was tension between him and Betsy Braddock when she was in Kwannon's body? Basically the idea seems to be there's something about Scott Summers' brain that gets telepath gals all revved up. That still leaves like 4 more hot mutants he should have slept. Oh right, I forgot he's probably slept with Wolverine (Logan) and maybe Wolverine (Laura) when he was brought to the present as a teenager. But still, doesn't equal 8.
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Apr 24, 2024 20:42
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Lee Forester and Colleen Wing are non-mutants he hooked up with. Also slept with Frenzy in Age of X. Did he get with vampire Storm before she died?
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Air Skwirl posted:Yeah, I'd read comics that had Captain America as a guest star before that and I didn't realize he had a secret identity, and then I mostly knew him from the Brubaker series and Bendis' New Avengers and that's post reveal so I thought it had been common knowledge in universe forever. And then I read the series I just mentioned and was like "wait? people didn't know." I bet it's the same kinda thing for people in their 20s or whatever who loved Iron Man as a little kid and go back and read old comics where he's pretending to be his own bodyguard. I remember one story where everyone thought Iron Man had murdered Tony cause he was stuck in the armour, and couldn’t make public appearances, when he tried to reveal he was alive but sick and was leaving things in Iron Man’s care which made people think he was being blackmailed or something instead. His reasons for the secret identity were also pretty weak, not wanting his company and employees to be targeted by Iron Man’s enemies, but I feel saying that Iron Man is one of your employees that is closely attached to you defeated the purpose of that.
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So why are the X-Men so tied up with magic? In the MCU TV thread somebody copy/pasted thisquote:"In Marvel Comics, the Master Mold absorbed the systems of an immensely powerful Sentinel prototype from another universe: Nimrod. The resulting beast was far too powerful for the X-Men to defeat, causing them to force the entity through the Siege Perilous, a pan-dimensional portal that grants those who step through it a new life. Bastion emerged from this portal as Sebastion Gilberti, an ostensibly human version of the two sentinels, completely devoid of memory of the life that came before." Siege Perilous is of course Arthurian myth like most things I saw in modern Excalibur and know from reading snippets like this over the years. And I'm just like...why? Why this long-time connection between the X-Men and what I think is the main Marvel magic superhero team, Excalibur? What caused these two very different things - a new race of people and Magic Britain - to be so intertwined?
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Apr 24, 2024 21:33
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NikkolasKing posted:So why are the X-Men so tied up with magic? In the MCU TV thread somebody copy/pasted this Betsy Braddock and Meghan?
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Apr 24, 2024 21:36
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NikkolasKing posted:So why are the X-Men so tied up with magic? In the MCU TV thread somebody copy/pasted this Chris Claremont created Excalibur as a team and wrote it.
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NikkolasKing posted:So why are the X-Men so tied up with magic? In the MCU TV thread somebody copy/pasted this I've always assumed Excalibur was more X-Men/Mutant focused because Kitty Pryde is there and there's an 'X' in the title
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AzureFlame posted:I've always assumed Excalibur was more X-Men/Mutant focused because Kitty Pryde is there and there's an 'X' in the title That's mostly correct. The just also deal with a lot of weird magic poo poo and alternate dimensions as well.
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I remember seeing something about how Laura was now (in a technical sense) Wolverine's daughter and not his clone... ...But considering she would've had to have been tweaked in the first place to not turn identical to him, was labeling her as a clone in the first place just wrong? Is there some genetics taxonomy that I'm not getting here, or that the original writers didn't get?
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Apr 24, 2024 22:08
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They cloned the X chromosone so she's XX. Thats my reasoning :v
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OnimaruXLR posted:I remember seeing something about how Laura was now (in a technical sense) Wolverine's daughter and not his clone... It's funny I was just reading a thread about this a little bit ago https://www.reddit.com/r/Marvel/comments/xvgwel/whos_between_gabby_and_daken/ quote:No, a clone is considered a delayed identical twin, so genetically she should have been considered more like a sister of Logan than his daughter. quote:No, We didn't know that until later on around 2018. gently caress if I know anything about genetics nor have I read X-23's origins or the newer stuff by this Taylor fellow which supposedly changes everything. EDIT: Although in that New Mutants issue I was just reading I could swear they call Gabby a "clone of a clone." So I dunno if the writers even know what Laura is? NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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Excalibur - at least under Claremont and Davis - was basically Doctor Who by way of the X-Men. Inferno was really more of the X-Men being super involved with magical nonsense.
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A lot of the Arthurian stuff was imported from the Marvel UK Captain Britain books which included Psylocke, and, frankly, Claremont's a big ol' literature nerd, so he really went at it in Excalibur.
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Plus there's the whole backstory for Marko, and Illyana, and the weird poo poo the X-Men saw in the Savage Land. Magic/mysticism and the X-Men have gone hand-in-hand for a long time now.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Excalibur - at least under Claremont and Davis - was basically Doctor Who by way of the X-Men. There's even a paranormal investigation group in the Marvel UK called the Weird Happenings Organization. Kitty had a crush on one of their co-leaders, Alistaire Stuart, who was named for the Brigadier.
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