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Idaholy Roller posted:Nona spoilers! HtN spoiler Not all RBs are hideous Cronenberg monstrosities. Per Mercymorn, "Each Beast is different. I have fought numerous now, and each Beast is quite unlike any other … [...] I remember Number Four … it was a humanoid creature with a beautiful face who held me under the water, and it spoke in a lovely voice but it only repeated, die, die—" Nona spoiler As for the identity/importance of the Angel, we already know there's at least something to do with the internet (Angel is "Aim" and her predecessor was "Emma Sen"  ), which does not seem to exist in the Nine Houses. She carries some sort of message; makes me wonder if that message/set of messages is something passed down from the ultra rich evacuees who escaped John's genocidal wrath.Anyways, I'm already due for a series re-read to theorycraft more sensibly.
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really my only headcanon casting that I stand by is John is Taika Waititi
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I am extremely, embarassingly unaware of NZ, Aussie & Māori actors (as well as many cultural traditions) which is why I've avoided diving too deeply into the "dream casting" the characters. My mental image of Gideon Nav is heavily influenced by Samoan actor Frankie Adams, and (HtN spoiler)I think of Temuera Morrison as Gideon Prime, except much more lithe and sinewy. Though I also particularly liked Moira Quirk's accent for OG Gideon, which was sort of Northern Irish by my hearing.
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Everyone posted:So maybe Dwayne Johnson doing his Doom character? Nona spoilers this is also effectively casting Dwayne Johnson as Pyrrha, which is giving me some interesting mental imagery.
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Yep, it's also free with Prime Lending Library.
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I don't think their names were known at all, before John got ahold of them. Also are we done with spoiler tags in this thread? Might be reasonable to throw a warning in the thread title if so.
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(Entire series spoilers) My understanding is that the weird Cronenberg-esque teeth and tongue possession creatures on Antioch and later on at the Ninth House (a) are the same things that possessed Colum Asht in GtN, (b) are distinct from the souls in the River, who are possibly the accumulated/trapped(?) remaining spirits leftover after John's genocide, and (c) according to Varun-in-Judith's warning, are entities related to or from The Tower, which "has reactivated" and "wants John Gaius," according to the decoded John chapter titles from the release and ARC copies of Nona. Given the language which Muir uses to describe the demons physically, they remind me of her description of the Stoma in the River, and we literally have zero information about what lies beyond the Stoma. I would say that from what we know, they are at odds with or at least are distinct from Resurrection Beasts (which Alecto/Nona is perhaps a cousin to, mechanistically and by origin). Again, according to Varun-in-Judith, they are entities that have some sort of score to settle, and it's not the same "Justice" as the Resurrection Beasts' justice. And in my reading, Alecto/Nona was not "pulled" from the River by John, but rather is ~1/2 of the Earth's soul that John was not able to digest or incorporate or whatever, which he then shoved into the Barbie-like creation that he created (which in my headcanon actually looks quite unhuman and strange, due to it being his first draft at creating a person).
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This is somewhat speculative (both in plot interpretation and in internal logic of how soul stuff works in this setting), but I read the "dream" chapters as taking place in a bubble reality in the River (or something similar), functioning mechanistically to the way they did in Harrow the Ninth. So Harrow is interacting with Alecto's memory of John, not the real John. It's not really clear to me why he recognizes that he's speaking with Harrow, but it's also not necessarily important, as it's not really him. As for the reveal about Alecto being the Earth's soul, it's in the chapter John 1:20 (around p.407 of the Tordotcom print edition). You also need to recall that throughout those chapters, John refers to "you" when he's speaking about things that the planet does as it undergoes its climate disaster.
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mewse posted:(nona spoilers continued) (more Nona spoilers) It's possible and I definitely wouldn't rule it out! Part of what I love about this series is the variety of different interpretations that are (up until it's finished at any rate) totally valid. To me though, if all of that was really John, something doesn't quite sit right with me; it feels as if he's playing things extremely casually, letting his well-kept secrets out quite freely to Harrow, whose allegiances are at least somewhat suspect. That's not to say that that's not what's going on, but it scanned more logically that it was a dream version of him, or maybe part of his soul that he "hid" in Alecto, which I suppose is not 100% connected to present day John. There is also the sort of "misdirection" about characters dreaming and the dream that is happening to another character -- initially it seemed like the John chapters were Nona's dreams, but it became clear that she was actually dreaming shared memories of Nav and Harrow. That precedence of misdirection opens up to me the idea that in that final paragraph, John's just drunkenly passed out. edit to add: I suppose it depends on whether you think that John is playing 3D megachess and is enacting some huge plan, well ahead of every other player as he gets ready to do a societal reboot or whatever he has been hinting at doing, or if you think that he's made a critical error already and doesn't realize it (for example, not clear to me that he understood until very recently after the events of Harrow the Ninth that it was possible for Harrow to open the Tomb). Or if you think he really is just depressed and throwing the towel in, ready to get vengeanced by the Earth-soul he imprisoned in a Barbie body. Bayham Badger fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Dec 22, 2022 |
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ElBrak posted:Random thought, maybe a small part of why the Emperor wants to conquer all of humanity is he is worried someone out there in all that uncontrolled humanity might repeat what happened to him and gain powers spontaneously. My personal thought is: the Emperor in those early days wasn't JUST a necromancer but his background in doing all those tests with corpses made him direct his power in that direction and he pigeonholed himself without realizing it. So if someone went through the same thing they might develop further than he managed to. That strikes me as a very broad interpretation of what the potential powers that a dying planet might imbue a person with. A reveal like that would zoom out so far past everything that's been laid out so far (seemingly with great care by Muir) that the final book would really not stick the landing.
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Strategic Tea posted:How girl get lyector New thread title...???
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I liked it and I am happy to support another goon author!
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I like how the memes and dumb jokes are entirely in keeping with the setting, and I would enjoy them even if they weren't. Turns out jokes and funny things are good.
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Riot Bimbo posted:Is this gonna be as mind-hosed as Harrow The Ninth? That book really did capture the vibe of a highly disorienting and unpleasant dream A quote from the author, which I think about regularly; Tamsyn Muir posted:there is no way a book from the POV of Harrowhark Nonagesimus should look or feel or sound anything like a book from the POV of Gideon Nav. Harrow’s brain is a length of rusty barbed wire locked in a box buried in a desert. Gideon’s brain is that YouTube video of the German guy who tries to jump through the ice on a swimming pool but the ice doesn’t break, so he just hurts his arse really badly and he’s lying there going ‘ah, mein Arsch, mein Arsch’ while all his friends kill themselves laughing. Nona’s brain is a GIF I saw of a dog jumping over a really high gate by whirling its tail like a propeller. Seconding reading As Yet Unsent, contextualizes a very important relationship that Nona kind of glazes over in the book. It's available on tordotcom for free if your copy of Harrow doesn't have it.
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Goffer posted:One thing I'm somewhat curious about is the Abigail Pent interactions in Harrow during the memory deep dive, about the time spent in the first house when they're sitting around in the library upstairs. In Gideon we don't know what Harrow or most of the other necromancers are up to on a daily basis - did she go and hang out with them in the library for a bit? Did Abigail actually do some spirit reading on her? Or was it a complete fabrication? GtN/Htn spoilers The revenant spirit of Abigail Pent performed spirit reading on Harrow while in the Canaan House bubble. I don't believe this was an event that occurred during GtN that Harrow recreated in the bubble reality.
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Versus Octakiseron who's like "lol gently caress you and gently caress this I'm out"
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It’s one skull, Harrowhark, how much could it cost? Ten dollars?
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I wouldn’t be opposed to something animated, but a live action adaptation would almost certainly be a disappointment, unless we’re talking exorbitant amounts of money and getting the casting right (not whitewashing, in particular). Miss me with that poo poo
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Chernobyl Princess posted:Because Alecto and John share a soul this makes it possible for John to occasionally speak directly to present-day Harrowhark Relatedly to the dream chapters in Nona, it's still not clear to me whether or not real present-day John is aware of or connected to the events of the dream chapters, or if dream-John was effectively an instantiated figment. However, given the enmeshed nature of John and Alecto's souls, the former seems likely to me, which has implications for both the reliability of the memories presented in NtN and John knowing quite a lot more about Harrow's soul-swapping with Alecto, and thus being more prepared for Harrow, Alecto and Paul's mission against him.
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I have a friend going through Harrow for the first time and is ... I dunno trying to act like they're "getting it" on the first read through by pointing out all the things they're catching. It's kind of amusing, though it's certainly not how I've enjoyed reading the series (which is more "the more times I read these the more fun I have. That's cool.") Anyways I responded to the latest update by asking about their thoughts on the scene with Silas in the Canaan House plotline, since I think that's one of the more important, albeit very short, scenes that clued me in to what was really going on. They didn't pick up on anything about it really.
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Ahhh so that's the titular Locked Tomb tyvm
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