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If I recall correctly AoA is actually one of the few concepts from the show that ended up in comics and not the other way around, (unless that story is BS)
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thrawn527 posted:On a semi-related note, I just read up on Bastion, since he's not a character I'm familiar with at all. And I came across this summation from the comics about his origin: I looked it up too after being informed who the villain was and honestly, 
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Shoehead posted:If I recall correctly AoA is actually one of the few concepts from the show that ended up in comics and not the other way around, (unless that story is BS) AoA launched in the comics in January 1995, that episode didn't air until September.
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1st AD posted:AoA launched in the comics in January 1995, that episode didn't air until September. That's true, but animation development cycles are quite long and there was some creative crossover behind the scenes. The issue isn't who made it to screen/the shelves first, it's who developed the concept first and was there any cross-pollination that could've plausibly lead to the parallel development.
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thrawn527 posted:I kind of doubt it. I think it was just a cameo. Bringing Cap in as a major player would take some focus off the Mutants at a pretty crucial time. Honestly the funny thing is that Nimrod on his own was more powerful than the Master Mold/Nimrod fusion, and Bastion. Integrating Nimrod into lesser tech tended to hold it back.
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NikkolasKing posted:I'm curious if people think Captain America was out of character? I'm certainly no expert but just based on my own vague understanding sand what I'm reading elsewhere, him talking about "I can't help you until I get cleared" does not seem like a Cap thing to do. Like most characters I think that typically boils down to the writer and the story being told. I'm sure he's been on both sides of things in comics history, though generally most writers and storylines tend to have him not being in the government's pocket. If he is gonna be holding government water, I think it would be more likely to happen when appearing as a guest in another comic, so that trend seems to hold here. X-O posted:Cable is voiced by the guy that did Gambit in the original series. That's honestly a solid approach to take with the OG voice actors given that they'll have aged up into playing older characters more naturally. I think the actors reprising their original roles have done a good job, but i can get behind doing this for any other actors involved in the original series if they can find a character to plug them into. NowonSA fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Apr 24, 2024 |
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Apr 24, 2024 22:10
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Burginator posted:
He's been helping them a fair amount in the current comics.
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Apr 24, 2024 22:13
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Also, I’m gonna need to see Brie Larson suplex a Celestial in the next Captain Marvel movie. Rogue has really upped the woman wrecking ball game.
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Apr 24, 2024 22:16
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Rubber Chicken posted:Was it not the same voice actor as Dr Hemlock on Bad Batch? Sure sounded similar I was so sure about this too, so you know you're not alone in thinking this. Hemlock is Jimmi Simpson of jarringly distinct fame for Always Sunny and Westworld. NowonSA posted:That's honestly a solid approach to take with the OG voice actors given that they'll have aged up into playing older characters more naturally. I think the actors reprising their original roles have done a good job, but i can get behind doing this for any other actors involved in the original series if they can find a character to plug them into. And if anything Wolverines voice is an even better fit now.
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Marsupial Ape posted:Also, I’m gonna need to see Brie Larson suplex a Celestial in the next Captain Marvel movie. Rogue has really upped the woman wrecking ball game. Look, I really liked them both, but lol if you think there's gonna be a "next Captain Marvel movie". The Marvels had a worldwide gross of $206.1 million, with a reported budget of $274.8 million. It's a Marvel movie that actually lost money. We can go back and from on why that was, but that's a disaster for Marvel. She'll probably show up in other movies like Avengers, but no way is there going to be a Captain Marvel 3. thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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Apr 24, 2024 22:50
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thrawn527 posted:Look, I really liked them both, but lol if you think there's gonna be a "next Captain Marvel movie". The Marvels had a worldwide gross of $206.1 million, with a reported budget of $274.8 million. It's a Marvel movie that actually lost money. We can go back and from on why that was, but that's a disaster for the Marvel. She'll probably show up in other movies like Avengers, but no way is there going to be a Captain Marvel 3. RDJ made five appearances post-Iron Man Three so there could still be plenty of opportunities for Larson to suplex a Celestial even without a Captain Marvel 3.
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Apr 24, 2024 22:55
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thrawn527 posted:Look, I really liked them both, but lol if you think there's gonna be a "next Captain Marvel movie". The Marvels had a worldwide gross of $206.1 million, with a reported budget of $274.8 million. It's a Marvel movie that actually lost money. We can go back and from on why that was, but that's a disaster for the Marvel. She'll probably show up in other movies like Avengers, but no way is there going to be a Captain Marvel 3. Next movie apperance. I just wanted to make the suplex joke.
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Marsupial Ape posted:Next movie apperance. Fair enough.
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Marsupial Ape posted:Also, I’m gonna need to see Brie Larson suplex a Celestial in the next Captain Marvel movie. Rogue has really upped the woman wrecking ball game. The fun thing is that Rogue literally has Carol Danver's powers.
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It should be the Hager pile driver
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MonsterEnvy posted:The fun thing is that Rogue literally has Carol Danver's powers. I know! That’s my point! I liked the Captain Marvel movies, but energy blasts don’t do it for me. Hitting a tank with an another tank is what I want to see.
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Sucks for Carol that the woman who stole her powers and memories and left her in a coma for months is a thousand times cooler and more popular than she is.
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1st AD posted:Yeah the MCU Captain America is a different character altogether, this Steve Rogers is not the same guy. After you finish the Utopia era, just skip to House of X/Powers of X. thrawn527 posted:Look, I really liked them both, but lol if you think there's gonna be a "next Captain Marvel movie". The Marvels had a worldwide gross of $206.1 million, with a reported budget of $274.8 million. It's a Marvel movie that actually lost money. We can go back and from on why that was, but that's a disaster for the Marvel. She'll probably show up in other movies like Avengers, but no way is there going to be a Captain Marvel 3. Isn't it obvious the movie bombed because it was bad? Basically every scene that didn't involve Kamala fell flat and the villains weren't interesting. Spacebump fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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NowonSA posted:Like most characters I think that typically boils down to the writer and the story being told. I'm sure he's been on both sides of things in comics history, though generally most writers and storylines tend to have him not being in the government's pocket. If he is gonna be holding government water, I think it would be more likely to happen when appearing as a guest in another comic, so that trend seems to hold here. I'll say that for as much as I stand by Lenore Zann's voice having aged most noticeably, she's loving killed it in her last two appearances performance-wise. That scene with her finally starting to grieve, and Kurt being the best little brother (...I think he's supposed to be the younger one? It's not really clear to me what the timeline is even in the comics) . And on a different note, that scene with Sunspot and his mom is ooof (in a 'the show did what it set out to' way) with the whole 'rich folks treating queerness as some kind of vice to be tolerated as long as it's kept out of the papers' metaphor.
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Spacebump posted:After you finish the Utopia era, just skip to House of X/Powers of X. The Marvels wasn't top tier, but it was decent, it bombed for a lot of reasons that had barely anything to do with the quality of the film itself. Plus it had a lot of cuts that sound like they hurt the movie way more than helped in a misguided attempt to sand off the interesting bits.
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I got a little excited when Quicksilver showed up because I thought they were going to have an Avengers X-men team up, but it was Morph. Bastions voice sounds a lot like Hemlocks in the Bad Bad its distracting.
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Spacebump posted:
No it's not obvious at all And the opinion that you cite is one you might form after watching the movie, which shouldn't really affect early box office
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Ok the one thing I haven’t figured out is, Bastion mentions that he was one of the X-Men’s villains previously in that scene where he was talking to Sinister. I can’t think of who they are referring to.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Ok the one thing I haven’t figured out is, Bastion mentions that he was one of the X-Men’s villains previously in that scene where he was talking to Sinister. I can’t think of who they are referring to. Okay, so, Bastion is Nimrod, the Super Sentinel from the future, having gone through the Siege Perilous and turned human after merging with Master Mold.
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Fivemarks posted:Okay, so, Bastion is Nimrod, the Super Sentinel from the future, having gone through the Siege Perilous and turned human after merging with Master Mold.
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Honestly, the villain gave me severe Spader-as-Ultron vibes, which I don't love. (I like it fine in that movie, as a way to lean into Stark being Ultron's 'father' in the movies, rather than Pym, to be clear)
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i really doubt they're gonna introduce Excalibur stuff here Over in the Comic Book Animation thread, another user had a better idea on what they'll do with Bastion: OnimaruXLR posted:X-Men 97 theory: I think this version of Bastion is Graydon Creed
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Spacebump posted:After you finish the Utopia era, just skip to House of X/Powers of X. Yeah, I remember catching a bit of Utopia stuff, then mostly tuning out of x-men, then reading basically everything x-men/mutant related from House of X/Powers of X on to today. I can vouch for that whole era being full of banger concepts and storylines. While all the stuff of the Krakoa arc has been really fun and interesting, I think it's time to retire "form a permanent large-scale mutant haven or nation" as a concept unless they're willing to commit to it and make it a permanent change to the status quo (or as permanent as anything in Marvel gets, since even the Fantastic Four aren't always in the Baxter Building). With the various ways Krakoa was able to muster mutant might, if even that doesn't stick then I feel like nothing can.
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NikkolasKing posted:i really doubt they're gonna introduce Excalibur stuff here That character was one of the main antagonists of the original series and it would make a good deal of sense
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Marsupial Ape posted:Fantastic episode. They've almost completely weened us off the 'pure' 90s aesthetics of the first 4 episodes and the show is now becoming 'modern' in its storytelling sensibilities. I am excited to see what it full matures into. That's el https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_of_Independence, ese! El Ángel is the quickest way to set up CDMX aka Mexico City. It's where everyone gathers whenever their soccer team wins. I think it's the first time I see it in US-media? Maybe? I'm a stoner with bad memory. Soonmot posted:
Yeah! Honestly I was just glad to see Mexico city as an actual city even if it was brief. Disappointing that the dude was holed out in an stereotypical Hacienda-type house but eh, baby steps.
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Thanks for the winged lady clarification. It’s another one for the binder….
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I don’t think Bastion here will have the same origin as his comic counterpart as it hasn’t been set up. Though Nimrod inside Master Mold in the opening is probably a reference. I could also see Bastion creating Nimrod as the big weapon he is suggesting he is working towards.
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live with fruit posted:RDJ made five appearances post-Iron Man Three so there could still be plenty of opportunities for Larson to suplex a Celestial even without a Captain Marvel 3. none of the RDJ movies lost money
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Zefiel posted:Yeah! Honestly I was just glad to see Mexico city as an actual city even if it was brief. Disappointing that the dude was holed out in an stereotypical Hacienda-type house but eh, baby steps. I thought it was a reference to Pablo Escobar's La Catedral, but maybe I'm succumbing to my own prejudice here.
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As an American I assume that every not-America has a street festival everyday.
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Really good episode, every minute was a banger. Captain America was a nice cameo, don't expect him to show up, I think he served his purpose to reinforce how the US government and the UN is just ignoring the mutant tragedy and leaving them hang to dry. Rogue throwing his shield into the mountains was such a dick move lol That being said, if cameos are up, please give us a Spider-man cameo! He's more or less an honorably X-men anyway. I love Emma Frost lol. Everyone of her lines this series were all great quotes. Also I liked that when Rogue drops the dude and lets him fall down the building, its Morph, the jokester of the group that gets the line "Is this who we are now?"
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Does anybody know how well the show is being received in Japan? I'm interested in their view point since the show is taking a lot of inspiration from 80s and 90s anime. Also, you child-keepers. Are they still able to keep up with all this?
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GateOfD posted:Really good episode, every minute was a banger. That Morph line seems to really be implying some kind of division is coming. And, as you noted, it's frickin' Morph who says it, not Cyclops. Cyke is the guy you'd expect to raise the biggest stink right away. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7PvNYXdYKc He doesn't look happy at what she did, but he didn't verbally object. Maybe he would have given more time but I still think it might be significant with the X-Men dividing over what they stand for and what methods are acceptable. Or, as the team is about to break up, Xavier shows up and reunites everybody under his dream.
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NikkolasKing posted:i really doubt they're gonna introduce Excalibur stuff here My only issues with this theory is that Beast mentions the cybernetics in the secret lab are way beyond any contemporary technology that humanity should be capable of, which I doubt Graydon would be capable of; and Forge had a photo on his wall of himself with Dr Adler and an obscured Bastion, which would had to have been 4+ years old given that Adler was already dead by the time of his season 1 “appearance” via Mystique in 92/93, and Graydon was still running around being a shitheel long after that.
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With the talk of reactions to the big moment near the end of the episode, it's also worth keeping in mind that Jean, the one character whose abilities would've explicitly for sure been able to at least attempt to stop it from happening, didn't do anything to stop it. Morph's powerset makes it seem like they'd be able to stop it even with just the forms we've seen them take with a Morph into Quicksilver to run down to the ground, then a morph into Archangel to catch him. Hell Nightcrawler could've made the save too (port to the roof edge, port down to Trask, port to safely land somewhere with Trask). But all of them are shown just hanging back a decent distance from the edge having watched it happen. I chalk that up to surprise at what they just saw Rogue do, but you gotta figure if she'd just dropped someone they actually cared about at least one of them would've stepped up to make the save. It's nice to see the X-men change in reaction to major trauma like Genosha and have very human reactions to it, and I think that along with other stuff from earlier (like Magneto's big flying U.N. speech) give me a lot of hope for the series to be able to really nail treating the characters as if they're real people. There have been other small moments along the way, but that Magneto moment and the stuff I put in spoilers above stand out in particular to me.
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