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I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

Ytlaya posted:

The Rebirth Moogles are actually good.

There - I said it.

Are they hosed up? Yes. But this is the sophisticated Japanese cultural concept of ~busukawa~ and by disliking the Rebirth Moogle you are actually revealing yourself to be uncultured and closed-minded.

Even Japanese players hate the Rebirth Moogle.

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jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

The balls on someone saying the FF14 moogles are anything but the highest tier

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Josuke Higashikata posted:

Just a regular, normal name FF characters power ranking:

1. Jack
2. Tina
3. Clive
4. Sarah
5. Ultimecia


Mordiceius posted:

Time for us to talk about the most controversial FF topic: MOOGLES

(I found a Moogle Tier List)

This thread's intersecting lines of discussion just fired a bunch of neurons:


The streamers Name 100 Women challenge, but Name 20 individual moogles

(I also may have been listening to a certain song before this lol)

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
As soon as moogles deviate from looking like sentient cotton balls into thinks like hosed up cats/rabbits/bears, then they're bad.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Wrong, FFXII moogles rule

Hellioning
Jun 27, 2008

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

The streamers Name 100 Women challenge, but Name 20 individual moogles

(I also may have been listening to a certain song before this lol)

Mog
Mog
Mog
Mog
Mog
Mog
Mog
Mog
Mog
Mog
Mog
Mog
Mog
Mog
Mog
Mog
Mog
Montblanc
Montblanc
Montblanc

parasyte
Aug 13, 2003

Nobody wants to die except the suicides. They're no fun.

jokes posted:

The balls on someone saying the FF14 moogles are anything but the highest tier

they are aesthetically pleasing and their tomes get me desired items

however dealing with them in almost any way is extraordinarily unpleasant so they can piss off, kupo

Inferior
Oct 19, 2012

I like the Crystal Chronicles moogles. They’re fat little guys.

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

Arist posted:

Wrong, FFXII moogles rule

There are very few aspects of FFXII that I would say "rule" and moogles are certainly not part of that list.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

parasyte posted:

they are aesthetically pleasing and their tomes get me desired items

however dealing with them in almost any way is extraordinarily unpleasant so they can piss off, kupo

Uh... Kupo?

Hellioning
Jun 27, 2008

Anyway the only moogles I will accept are ones that look similar to the OG moogles and Ivalician rat moogles.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Mordiceius posted:

There are very few aspects of FFXII that I would say "rule" and moogles are certainly not part of that list.

yep, definitely wrong

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
INTUITION



Toilet Rascal
I feel like Mog gets a shoe in for best moogle because he's playable and gets use of one of the best relics exclusively. Stat wise he's bad but it makes him a good template to either turn him into a strength moogle or a magic moogle if you're willing to invest.

Best non FF6 moogles:
Montblanc
Stiltskin
Krile's moogle friend
The SoM moogles
Mog from ff7, the only moogle who canonically gets laid
Chocobo and Moogle summon
Nektar
Good King Moogle Mog
MiniMog, the triple triad card

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

Arist posted:

yep, definitely wrong

I am a very vocal FF12 disliker. The moogles are abominations, but that's almost the least of the bad stuff in that game.

Kheldarn
Feb 17, 2011



jokes posted:

The balls on someone saying the FF14 moogles are anything but the highest tier

They got knocked down 2 tiers because they have an annyoing sound effect, and also, their Tribal Quests.

Sid is right. Punch moogles in the face all day, every day.


CharlieFoxtrot posted:

The streamers Name 100 Women challenge, but Name 20 individual moogles

Artemicion (FF9)
Artemicion (FFCC)
Artemicion (D012)
Artemicion (KH)
Atla
Cosmog
Emptier Of Purses
Good King Moggle Mog XII
Grimo
Gumo
Hurdy (FF13)
Hurdy (FF14)
Hurdy (FFCC)
Hurdy (FFTA)
Kumool
Kumop
Kupcha Kupa
Kupdi Koop
Kupka Kopp
Kupka Kupp
Kupli Kipp
Kupli Kuki
Kuplo Kopp
Kuplu Kopo
Kuplu Kumu
Kupo (FF9)
Kuppo
Kupta Kapa
Mimoza
Mocchi
Mochos
Mog (FF6)
Mog (FF7)
Mog (FF7)
Mog (FF7R)
Mog (FF8)
Mog (FF9)
Mog (FF13)
Mog (FF13-2)
Mog (FF13-3)
Mog (FF14)
Mog (DFFOO)
Mog (FFCC)
Mog (FFD2)
Mog (FFRK)
Mog (FFT0)
Mog (Mobius)
Moggie (FF6)
Moggie (FF7R)
Moggie (FF14)
Moggzia
Moghan
Mogki
Moglin (FF6)
Moglin (FF13-3)
Moglin (FF14)
Moglin (FFT0)
Mogloo
Mogmatt
Mogmi
Mogmill
Mogmug
Mogomo
Mogoosh The Misbehaving
Mogpo The Magnificent
Mogret
Mogrich
Mogrika
Mogryo
Mogsam
Mogsy
Mogtaka
Mogtoe
Moguel
Mogule
Mogwin
Mois
Mojito
Molulu
Monev
Montblanc (FF12)
Montblanc (FF14)
Montblanc (FF15)
Montblanc (FFTA/FFTA2)
Montblanc (Mobius)
Monty
Moodon
Mooel
Moolan
Moonte
Moorock
Mopli
Mosco
Mosh
Mozme
Mugmug
Nazna
Noggy
Nono (FF12)
Nono (FF15)
Nono (FFTA/FFTA2)
Pukno Poki
Pukty Piko
Pukwa Pika
Serino
Sorbet (FF12)
Sorbet (FF15)
Sorbet (FFArtniks)
Sorbet (FFTA2)
Stiltzkin (FF9)
Stiltzkin (FF13-2)
Stiltzkin (FFCC)
Stiltzkin (DFF)
Stiltzkin (Chocobo's Dungeon)
Stiltzkin (KH)
Suzuna
Whiskerwall Kupdi Koop

Gologle
Apr 15, 2013

The Gologle Posting Experience.

<3
I never thought about it before, but actually, ImpAtom is completely right, part of what makes a moogle a moogle is they have to in fact be at least a little lovely, like, as a person. Moogles are adorable fluffy cute creatures who are also just kind of assholes.

Oh my God they are Fantasy Cats.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Best Moogle is my avatar, second best moogle is the moogle from Crystal Chronicles that I spray painted a dick onto

Kheldarn
Feb 17, 2011



jokes posted:

Best Moogle is my avatar

Good King Moggle Mog XII? Mmm... Maybe...

Nihilarian
Oct 2, 2013


Ivalice moogles are good actually

welcome
Jun 28, 2002

rail slut
They're rabbits.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!
I saw someone point out that the Reborth moogles are put in a weird place by that game, largely because of Cait Sith and the Golden Saucer. Suddenly moogles can't look like a cute little mascot plush you'd buy at Disneyland, because there's actually a Disneyland where you'd find plushes of them, so instead they have to plausibly look like a real creature that stylized plushies and costumes would be made of.

I still think they look bad, but I understand why, at least.

SyntheticPolygon
Dec 20, 2013

I think the Rebirth moogles look like they do is because the joke at the end of their side quest probably doesn’t work if they are adorable cuties instead of wretched beasties.

Draga
Dec 9, 2011

WASHI JA!

parasyte posted:

they are aesthetically pleasing and their tomes get me desired items

however dealing with them in almost any way is extraordinarily unpleasant so they can piss off, kupo

wizard2
Apr 4, 2022
Square-Enix can redesign the character elements all they want, says I!

The spirit of Final Fantasy was based off a risky one-off, and the truly classic designs we love that sell da merch in da webstore aren't going anywhere for very long.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

Gologle posted:

I never thought about it before, but actually, ImpAtom is completely right, part of what makes a moogle a moogle is they have to in fact be at least a little lovely, like, as a person. Moogles are adorable fluffy cute creatures who are also just kind of assholes.

Oh my God they are Fantasy Cats.
Some sort of fairy cat.

RevolverDivider
Nov 12, 2016

Fuuuuuccccckkkkkkk, dropped my all S Ranks run of Kairos Gate at the final fight with Odin after steamrolling everything else. Just got clipped too many times by his followups

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

I said come in! posted:

Even Japanese players hate the Rebirth Moogle.

Even Van Gogh was not appreciated during his lifetime.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008

I’m playing FF12 Zodiac Age on steam deck, which works great btw, and just got to Balfonheim, about 3/4 of the way through the main story. I just realized there’s a 2x speed button. So much time I’ve wasted…

Anyway, it still rules. I’ve never liked random encounters, so being able to just run past everything when I don’t want to bother is great. The story is kind of lacking but I like what there is of it, it’s just very weirdly paced. But it’s beautiful to look at and fun to play so it is a good Final Fantasy.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

organize digital employees



Kheldarn posted:

They got knocked down 2 tiers because they have an annyoing sound effect, and also, their Tribal Quests.

Sid is right. Punch moogles in the face all day, every day.

Artemicion (FF9)
Artemicion (FFCC)
Artemicion (D012)
Artemicion (KH)
Atla
Cosmog
Emptier Of Purses
Good King Moggle Mog XII
Grimo
Gumo
Hurdy (FF13)
Hurdy (FF14)
Hurdy (FFCC)
Hurdy (FFTA)
Kumool
Kumop
Kupcha Kupa
Kupdi Koop
Kupka Kopp
Kupka Kupp
Kupli Kipp
Kupli Kuki
Kuplo Kopp
Kuplu Kopo
Kuplu Kumu
Kupo (FF9)
Kuppo
Kupta Kapa
Mimoza
Mocchi
Mochos
Mog (FF6)
Mog (FF7)
Mog (FF7)
Mog (FF7R)
Mog (FF8)
Mog (FF9)
Mog (FF13)
Mog (FF13-2)
Mog (FF13-3)
Mog (FF14)
Mog (DFFOO)
Mog (FFCC)
Mog (FFD2)
Mog (FFRK)
Mog (FFT0)
Mog (Mobius)
Moggie (FF6)
Moggie (FF7R)
Moggie (FF14)
Moggzia
Moghan
Mogki
Moglin (FF6)
Moglin (FF13-3)
Moglin (FF14)
Moglin (FFT0)
Mogloo
Mogmatt
Mogmi
Mogmill
Mogmug
Mogomo
Mogoosh The Misbehaving
Mogpo The Magnificent
Mogret
Mogrich
Mogrika
Mogryo
Mogsam
Mogsy
Mogtaka
Mogtoe
Moguel
Mogule
Mogwin
Mois
Mojito
Molulu
Monev
Montblanc (FF12)
Montblanc (FF14)
Montblanc (FF15)
Montblanc (FFTA/FFTA2)
Montblanc (Mobius)
Monty
Moodon
Mooel
Moolan
Moonte
Moorock
Mopli
Mosco
Mosh
Mozme
Mugmug
Nazna
Noggy
Nono (FF12)
Nono (FF15)
Nono (FFTA/FFTA2)
Pukno Poki
Pukty Piko
Pukwa Pika
Serino
Sorbet (FF12)
Sorbet (FF15)
Sorbet (FFArtniks)
Sorbet (FFTA2)
Stiltzkin (FF9)
Stiltzkin (FF13-2)
Stiltzkin (FFCC)
Stiltzkin (DFF)
Stiltzkin (Chocobo's Dungeon)
Stiltzkin (KH)
Suzuna
Whiskerwall Kupdi Koop

I want to believe.....

YggiDee
Sep 12, 2007

WASP CREW
The best moogle was the moogle party member I had in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, Seneca. Usually a Gunner, occasionally a Juggler, always a stone cold killer.

Vanrushal
Apr 2, 2005

I thought my Spitter was a Jockey!
I am seeing so much Fat Mog erasure itt (and that tier list) and it makes me sick. Also CC moogles are loving great aesthetically, just balls of fluff. Like a moogle chinchilla. 14 moogles would also be top tier but their weird noodle-y arms creep me out.

The only objectively irredeemable moogles are 7R's and 13's. Also possibly Mobius', the picture used in the tier list is p cute but then I googled it and they're like 13's somewhat less hideous cousins. Protruding tumors instead cheeks are gross as hell.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009

Inferior posted:

I like the Crystal Chronicles moogles. They’re fat little guys.

Hell yeah

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

parasyte posted:

they are aesthetically pleasing and their tomes get me desired items

however dealing with them in almost any way is extraordinarily unpleasant so they can piss off, kupo

Sounds like they ruffled your fluff.

Augus
Mar 9, 2015


Cleretic posted:

I saw someone point out that the Reborth moogles are put in a weird place by that game, largely because of Cait Sith and the Golden Saucer. Suddenly moogles can't look like a cute little mascot plush you'd buy at Disneyland, because there's actually a Disneyland where you'd find plushes of them, so instead they have to plausibly look like a real creature that stylized plushies and costumes would be made of.

I still think they look bad, but I understand why, at least.

it’s not just Rebirth, they looked like nightmare creatures in previous FF7 compilation stuff and also in the concept art for FF7

Mandoric
Mar 15, 2003
I feel like there's a very valid "mutant moogles" argument for FF7 but I don't want to dig into it because it would force me to term them "muggles".

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Let's not forget this one Moogle from KH 358/2 Days. :allears:

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 22 hours!
No idea how far into Rebirth I am. I'm guessing a little more than 1/2. This game is great.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!

amigolupus posted:

Let's not forget this one Moogle from KH 358/2 Days. :allears:



Ahh, yes, Loemgox.

Theotus
Nov 8, 2014

Cleretic posted:

Ahh, yes, Loemgox.

Poxuk.

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DrakePegasus
Jan 30, 2009

It was Plundersaurus Rex's dream to be the greatest pirate dragon ever.

No, it’s Xomg!

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