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CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Aye Doc posted:

uh, potential future spoilers in this twitter image i guess?

https://twitter.com/MenForFieIder/status/1552373782861447170

he crashed his Scion TC into her heart

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CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Did Nathan bankrupt HBO Max by having them build a bar and ship it across the country

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Part of it's editing, but lol at how cocky that old woman went into arguing Angela only to nope out within a minute.

Great kicker too ending on her opinions of Israel.

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Curious choice to only do the show's premise three times, eh? I'm digging what we're getting, but a wee bit disappointed that it looks like we're not getting more rehearsals. Wonder when they made that call to put all the eggs in the raising a kid basket.

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

This is a fuckin' weird show and it's better for it.

Can't bring myself to analyse the ending scenes beyond that leaving the shots showing the rear end crack is a clear nod that no rehearsal is perfect, there'll always be small details that ruin the moment. But woof, what an episode.

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Alan Smithee posted:

sounds like you should have rehearsed that post

[nathan voice]For this rehearsal to work, I needed to hire four thousand actors to browse and post on a forum website. But for authenticity, we needed years of posts and discussions, so we hired ten ghost writers last year to :justpost: forty hours a week to populate the website and make it feel authentic.

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Two episodes into Paul T Goodman, and wow. The recommendations here are well earned.

Four episodes in, it strikes me that Jason Woliner 'created' a Tommy Wiseau figure in a way. The trifecta of actor/director/writer that tends to make some the best bad movies. Took money from NBC and helped a guy with a crazy story tell it. Brilliant stuff.

CatstropheWaitress fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jan 23, 2023

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Tangential to both The Rehearsal and Paul T Goldman, but How To With John Wilson returned last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDw6hGm7eUQ

Very lovely show where John strings together misc footage taken of quirky/weird things found in NYC via an overall theme.

Season 3 is starting with "How To Find a Public Toilet", and is pretty great. (Fielder is also associated with this show too.)

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Given the audience for it has to be Fielder fans, wonder what direction it could possibly take to make people walk out. It's not like fans of The Rehearsal or Nathan For You have a low tolerance for slow burns or cringe humor.

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Won't sit by as people slander Paul T Goldman.

Show is one of the wildest documentaries I've seen, and given the subject matter, handled in a really interesting and fun way. Going into it blind, was aghast at how every episode ended on an escalation from the last.

panko posted:

it wasnt even the best peacock original of january 2023…

...but I can't argue against this. It was up against Poker Face, which was one of the best murder mystery dramas to come out since Columbo.

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Harminoff posted:

Kinda creeps me out that Nathan's "HGTV persona" when shooting scenes for the show is the same way he talks and acts in Nathan for you. Is that all a character? Who actually is Nathan?

Occam's razor my man. He's a brilliant writer/performer who probably has social anxiety that he learned to lean into for his shows because it makes for a better story.

I don't think he's gone full Jim Carrey. There's a doc on him from 'Man on the Moon' era that really gives you the sense that Carrey very consciously sculpted his 90's comedy persona to the point that he's not sure where "who he used to be" starts and "what he decided to be" ends. It's like a high person how much of their persona is self-actualized vs. who they've always been. & at least from that documentary you get a sense Carrey is a bit lost between that in a bad way. Like a method actor who's spent so long in character that they don't really remember who they originally were.

I assume Fielder is a bit more "normal" than the shows suggest, simply because:

1. While he's doing fun psychological poo poo nowadays, you don't hear gossip/news about him outside of the show, and
2. He shows up in enough stuff that people clearly like working with and for him.

Tommy Wiseau made a wild thing, but you can tell he's actually crazy/an rear end because he did a couple things with people in the LA comedy scene and then never again.

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Nirvanna the Band is loving great, thanks people for bringing it up.

Going to watch this whole show when there's more episodes out to not give Showtime money, but I've already seen two scenes: Nathan sexually grunting against Emma Stone's leg and Nathan full frontal pissing. Little fear that those are there for shock both him ACTING and of him DOING FULL FRONTAL PISSING. Has built up enough trust from his other weird projects that I've got faith the bits around those scenes gives them validity beyond that.

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Finally getting around to watching this. Loving it so far. Comparison's to David Lynch are apt - the willingness to linger on shots, ample use of character actors (Gary Farmer!!! Barkhad!!!) is a treat. Just finishing episode 3.

It makes me sad that so many people I know who've watched this talk about it in terms of "I can only watch one episode at a time" or felt like it made them overly uncomfortable. It's not that it's not uncomfortable at times, but it's not like watching a cow birth videos. Feel like it says a lot about the general tv diet/production that this sticks out so much. Makes me grateful Fielder and co. have enough sway to make a show like this – and enough popularity to get people on board for something they clearly wouldn't have signed up for otherwise.

Pleasantly surprised by how much topical stuff they're cramming into this too. Gentrification, representation, white guilt, reality tv, etc. etc. Doesn't feel forced either, which is a feat onto itself.

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

inferis posted:

I’m a huge fan and it’s always striking how differently people see his work. Tons of people talk about it as cringe and that’s completely valid but it never really comes off that way to me. I’ve always found all of Nathan’s work to be really sweet and humanizing. They definitely show people having a lot of unspoken tensions, but that’s a normal part of so many regular human interactions, but he chooses to linger on really seeing the differences between what people say and what they mean. His work very rarely shows people to be “bad” and very often goes far out of its way to let people and characters explain themselves and show their motivations. The scene from the rehearsal where he tells Angela that it’s all supposed to be “interesting *and* funny is completely sincere and only rarely crosses the line over to cruelty. To reduce his work to “cringe” humor really ignores how much he does to portray people and their motivations as being complex and worthy of close focus.

This is well put and is kinda the same conclusion I came to about 'cringe' stuff more broadly speaking years ago. I think of that infamous FOAM video of two friends freaking out as they go to buy foam – a lot of shade thrown at them for being so dumb about it, but really you're just watching two people hype each other up on their own little dumb joke. A lot of cringe stuff is just people breaking social norms and being overly honest or passionate about something. Can be funny, but a lot of the mocking side of it seems to come down to a personal fear someone would see you be that vulnerable.

Fielders stuff is at it's best when it's embracing that silliness (the gas station camping episode) and the worst when he did make them the butt of the joke.

goferchan posted:

Glad you're enjoying it, stay clear of spoilers in this thread, but get back to me in a few episodes because "like watching a cow birth video" is almost the description I never knew I needed for how queasy some parts made me lol

Will do. And yeah. Like people told me they could only stomach the show in bits and... that's just reads to me like their media diet must just be Great British Bake Off or something. Does speak to the strength of the show tho. The sweater scene was just perfect in how it captured the tragedy of what they're doing broadly speaking. Smart show.

Fielder is perfectly cast for this kind of role. Don't think he's a Daniel-Day Lewis, and it's hard to tell where some of the stilted deliveries are intentional vs. him overacting, but it's like watching a made-for-tv movie where one person is just making so many *fun* choices you can't help but enjoy every scene they're in. Works really well with the character.

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Just finished episode 7. It's wild how Dougie has quickly become the least depressing of the main trio.

Keep going back and forth between whether Whitney or Asher is more depressing. His inability to connect with anyone is utterly tragic, but then you have her making connections but paper thin ones mostly based on her buying friends.

Show still rockin.

The opening to episode 8 is loving hilarious.

CatstropheWaitress fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Feb 3, 2024

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

They icarus'd my boy

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

I don't think it was a perfect resolution to the story, but still loved it. If you're going to do an eleventh hour swerve, it's always great to see such a full commit to it. Them holding each other in equilibrium was an incredible visual, definitely what's going to stay with me.

Certainly ended on a rather sad note. Definitely one of those "punishment doesn't match the crime" situations where he probably needed anger management, but the fear and slow of suffocation in space was a sad place to leave a character who's existence seemed painful to begin with.

Given Fielder went through a divorce, wonder how much of that experience went into this.

Solid show. Really unique and interesting. Hope Benny and Nathan do more things in the future.

goferchan posted:

Glad you're enjoying it, stay clear of spoilers in this thread, but get back to me in a few episodes because "like watching a cow birth video" is almost the description I never knew I needed for how queasy some parts made me lol

After reading this I honestly expected a scene where a cow gives birth.

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Having just finished it I'm not going to rewatch anytime soon, but by the end I was really struggling to remember if they were having big issues before Dougie planted and nurtured that seed in Whitney's head.

I suppose it's kind of obvious, but I liked that that was her 'curse' in that once it took root in her head she couldn't get it out and it broke up parts of her life. From what I recall they were relatively content with each other until that turn, but don't doubt there were subtle things earlier.

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Watching the first ep of that, and idk, it hits different when it's a wildly successful guy. It gets awkward when he's badgering his friend about why he doesn't have feelings for him despite the guy clearly going "we're friends, but not interested"... but otherwise it's a lot of him getting laid and going to the Emmy's. Not bad, but feels significantly more vanity project than Fielder or Goldman were.

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CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Felt like the later to me. But the former is also weird - if it's not real, it just evokes strong poser vibes. In The Rehearsal, lord knows how much of Nathan's stuff is getting lost in the role vs. acting, but it doesn't super matter because the premise is super interesting. & it's all in service to a wonderfully ludicrous thought experiment. While I imagine it's mostly acting, it feels like some of it could be legit, and even that slimmer of doubt is fascinating.

Real or fake, Carmichael's show came across as a humble brag masquerading as 'an inside look' and was pretty off-putting to me. Haven't watched more of it though, maybe it gets better?

CatstropheWaitress fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Apr 16, 2024

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