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NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Death Note being old school anime makes me feel old...school. I was thinking like 80s, maybe 90s.

Like Fushigi Yuugi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrz0e9BGaJs

Huge anime music nerd and FY has one of the all time great and underrated soundtracks. David Hayter of Solid Snake fame voiced the male lead in the dub which is at least part of why I first watched it initially. But I'm glad i did since it has a lot more going for it than that.

Pretty sure the whole dub is available on YT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLk-pHBxKL4&t=1124s

And then everyone died horribly.

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NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Arc Hammer posted:

Char was neutral Steve Blum. Bright was British which actually made sense since he's from Hong Kong.

And I'll always advocate for keeping old dubs available and not letting them vanish into the ether. It's like older editions of Star Wars. They have their place in the cultural memory and we should preserve them.

Like the myriad of Dragon Ball dubs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqERby-IQEA&t=153s


Sadly most bad dubs aren't this funny. I remember this studio in Asia dubbed stuff into English. I know this because before Viz or Funimation released Inuyash The Final Act or Fairy Tail, these folks did it. But they're just terrible and not even haha terrible.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Vandar posted:

I never got around to Fushigi Yuugi but I remembering stumbling onto the op and falling it love with it. It's on one of my random CD-Rs with a ton of old anime songs burnt onto it that I used to listen to in the car.

Older anime OPs/EDs really do hit different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wId7utadqgk

I used to talk to a guy who was a fellow Inuyasha fan but he also loved all Takahashi stuff and through that we got to KOR which was a rival to her Maison Ikkoku. Absolutely stunning music by the Eva and Bleach guy and of course that OP is so wondeerfully 80s.

KOR was popular with the early generation of anime nerds outside of Japan from what I can tell. Specifically, if comments on YT are anything to go by, mostly South American anime fans. Some anime really hit it big there but not over here in the States, like Saint Seiya.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Pootybutt posted:

Vampire Knight

I dunno if Twilight was ever big in Japan but surely the popularity of Vampire Knig0ht at least explains why the Shinsengumi are vampires in Hakuoki.

But I never read or watched VK. My GF did though. The only series she was into that I got into that is part of that kind of gothic romance subgenre is Angel Sanctuary. Terrible, terrible OVAs but the manga was very pretty.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



The dub for the AS anime is also terrible despite having Crispin Freeman as the main villain. But one good thing that came out of it is the anecdote he told about how a kid saw the OVA and then emailed him asking "can you tell my mom it's okay I'm in love with my cousin?"

Tulalip Tulips posted:

Both Vampire Knight and Angel Sanctuary were part of my mainstay trashy shojo manga choices. They both were dumb, edgy and ridiculous in a way that I still think of fondly. Plus Angel Sanctuary was really pretty. You better believe I also read Mayu Shinjou manga but felt a little more guilty about those ones.

Kaori Yuki is a lot of fun partly because "shojo" - just like all "girly stuff" - makes a certain image appear in people's minds. But her stuff like AS is full of blood and violence hosed up poo poo, while also being extremely well-drawn.


She was really sick and in the hospital I think earlier this year, I found out on ANN after she was already out of the hospital but glad she's recovering.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Combat Lobster posted:

Found the video after some history searching. I saw it a few months back so my recollection of it might not be 100% accurate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY39RGRO1i0

This was a really interesting video, thank you for sharing.

Going back to Fushigi Yuugi, despite its popularity, getting an anime along with three OVAs (two of which were completely original stories), Genbu Kaiden never gotr an anime and I suspect Watase's final FY spinoff won't, either.

And of course things are even more bleak for us dub watchers.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Pootybutt posted:

With the spooky season looming, where were you when you first saw the seminal late '90's anime classic, Scooby Doo on Zombie Island?

Heavy Metal posted:

I watched it with my bro like 12 years ago! Hell of a film. Scooby-Doo! and the Witch’s Ghost was cool too, and I love Mystery Inc.

Cartoon Network ran some Scooby Doo Marathon in the late 90s or early 2000s with a theme around Blair Witch Project and I think this might have been the debut of Witch's Ghost? I adore that movie. Jennifer Hale and Tim Curry are in it, of course it ruled.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



So, to give an example of how my brain works, reading about Tiffany Grant in the NGE thread made me think "Tiffany Grant...she wasn't Bulma in DB, was she?"The answer is no, that was a different Tiffany, but now I want to re-watch classic DB for the first time in over a decade.

I grew up with DBZ but I have nothing but nostalgia that keeps me remembering it fondly. Dragon Ball, however, is something I watched as a young adult and it's so incredibly good. It's a great, basic story with awesome music and the dub by Funimation was a massive, massive improvement over Z's. I really cannot stand the "Idiot Hero" type for most shounen protagonists but Kid Goku works because ht's genuinely charming and charismatic. That's always the idea - Naruto and Luffy are dumb but they'er so sweet and innocent that you don't care. Well, I do care, because they don't charm me. But Kid Goku does charm me. I wish he never grew up.

King Piccolo was the best arc in all of Dragon Ball/Z/GT/Super/whatever. Best Villain in al of Dragon Ball/etc..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtWRnI_fhuM


Also I looked and we still have no bluray release for DB. Fine, whatever, saves me money.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Arc Hammer posted:

Did Ocean/Westwood even dub Dragon Ball? I thought they just did Z, some of the movies and GT. Individual voices aside the Funi voice cast is overall better but I prefer Scott McNeil's Buu and Jeice any day of the week.

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Blue_Water_dub

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With the success of the Blue Water dub of Dragon Ball GT, Westwood contacted them again to create a dub of the original Dragon Ball series despite the fact that the first 13 episodes had already been dubbed in Vancouver in 1994. The Blue Water dub also uses the French dub as the source material, therefore also containing content edits as well as using AB Groupe's opening title sequence for said dub, along with an English singer and a translation of the lyrics (though the UK broadcast usually featured a completely different opening). However, at least with the first several episodes, the script for Funimation's dub of the series was re-used, albeit heavily re-worked. While this dub uses the terminology from Funimation's dub, there were some exceptions such as the Power Pole being called "Nyoi-Bo". This dub was aired in Canada concurrently with Dragon Ball GT, and in the UK after the Blue Water dub of Dragon Ball GT completed its run.

I don't think I've ever heard any of this. I used to post on this Dragonball forum which always had big topics on "Who is the best voice of Kid Goku?" and somebody would come out with obscure choices from BW or I think Harmony Gold did a handful of episodes forever ago ad THAT is clearly the best voice for him.


And hey, I'm all for Brian Drummond as Saiyan Saga or even Namek Vegeta. Nobody an play Vegeta losing his mind like him. I've never watched the Ocean stuff beyond that, though. Maybe he's a good antihero Vegeta, too.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



So Internet Archive has some anime things that are very hard to come by,. like he Evangelion Platinum DVDs and all their content. They also now have the OG Gundam SEED English dub since it was replaced.

I had the thought "maybe they have Blue Water Dragon Ball."

It's...not very good. I had a talk with someone just now about if it's okay to post this and it seems so.

https://archive.org/details/bluewaterdubdb/133+-+Reunion+Before+A+Storm.mpg

NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Mar 19, 2023

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Arc Hammer posted:

Can't remember was that the version with the English intro with the super cheesy lyrics "dragon baaaaaall the ultimate battle the ultimate fight between evil and good"

I will defend the Ocean Dub as having some really quality leading voices and I'll even stan for Blue Water on occasion but they're the budget studio for a reason.

Yes indeed.
https://youtu.be/mVrVTinOsBw

And yeah, we're both Gundam fans here so I think we both like the Zeta dub by and large? English Kamille and Four are legit good, IMO. I wanna say BW also did Zoids: Chaotic Century/Guardian Force, and while it's not a good dub, it fits Zoids pretty well. It is hokey and takes itself way too seriously and I love it.

I guess Zoids is pretty old school by now. It has an am amazing OST that should probably be in a better anime. But again, it kinda fits being hokey and yet played straight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chUgh-EXJmQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_02iQMnj0U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSEgDJNtY7o


And of course Ocean rules. They did both X-Men Evolution and Inuyasha, pivotal parts of my early teenage years. And, going back to Gundam, nearly all of those until very recently.

NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Mar 20, 2023

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Arc Hammer posted:

I can pinpoint the first time I watched Dragon Ball because I was excited to watch a DBZ episode and then I got kid Goku and Bulma getting chased by these weird red ribbon guys and their voices were wrong and it looked cheaper and different and 8 year old me was like "this isn't dragon ball Zeeeeeee"

Hey, imagine watching Toonami which had DB, DBZ, and DBGT, which also stars a Kid Goku. I was so lost.

A fun story, at least to me. During one run of DBZ on Toonami back in...2002 or 2003, they stopped with Majin Vegeta blewing himself up against Buu. Restarted the whole series after that. So, little NikkolasKing thought "wow, I can't believe that's how DBZ ended." And I continued to think this for a while until I was at some camp and a kid there told me that was not the real ending.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgw69hd8OOI

The IY haters I used to see a lot loved to drag this out to poo poo on the show but I love it so much. Adult Swim knew what we were here for.

What I'm still here for twenty years later.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Heavy Metal posted:

Kind of like the "Parn! Deed!" from Lodoss War. I should tackle InuYasha sometime, I liked the first 10 eps or so I saw way back in the day. And had one vol of the manga.

As a Ranma fan, you might know Takahashi has a rep for not being repetitive and no good at endings. I love Inuyasha but this is very true here. The series starts off very monster-of-the-week with myth and historical stuff as they look for Shkon Jewel shards, then eventually settles into a main plot. I kinda break the series into the "sets" the DVDs/blurays do, so Set 2 and 3 (Episodes 28-83) are the best for me. End of Set 1 is pretty good, though. But my point is just that the series is primarily about drama, characters, and relationships. All of these were at their freshest and therefore strongest here before they were dragged out and run into the ground.

Inuyasha be a 10/10 if it hadn't just gone on for far, far too long.

And I just don't even like The Final Act. They finally started officially releasing IY manga sets on Kindle/Viz a few years ago now. I'd just read those instead of watching Final Act which has the worst pacing ever. IMO, absurdly fast pacing is way, way worse than slow pacing and Final Act just wasn't long enough to properly adapt the final manga volumes.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



I kinda remember this, but I did not remember fuckin' Keith David was the narrator for this promo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV1bkC9wInE

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhScFOYNEoM

I fuckin' love this song to death. The absolute perfect theme for Dragon Ball and its tournaments.

Naturlaly I miss it in the dubbed anime but luckily fans are on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDEkwFPn3-g

It's been a long time since I was in a DB fandom talking up DB lore but this comment reminded me...

quote:

It was actually Toei’s fault. For some reason when they gave Funimation the show to dub over they removed most of the insert songs. Like 4 songs are still in the Funo dub. They also didn’t give Funimation clean versions of the OP and ED to dub over do they had recreate the instrumentals from scratch and they didn’t give them the NEP and they only gave Funimation the first version of the opening and only the second version of the ending.

Lotta hardcore DB/z fans poo poo on Funi's home releases but whatever you wanna say about Funimation, Toei seems so infinitely worse.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Arc Hammer posted:

It's the best of the three (and a half) Berserk anime adaptations by a wide margin.

Why are the other adaptations bad, just out of curiosity?

I think most fans agree the Golden Age is the best or nearly the best arc in Berserk, but man does it give you a totally, completely different vibe from what Berserk is mostly about. I love the OG anime but a good anime that dips into the Fantasy Horror that is 90% of the manga be nice.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Sakurazuka posted:

ADV's 'just license everything no matter how lovely' policy would have worked well if they'd lasted into the streaming era, less so when you had to give it DVD release.

I often wonder about this. How dos Funimation or whoever make money? I haven't bought a bluray of, say, MHA at all, I've just watched it on their site for 5 years, paying maybe $7 or something a month. Same with hundreds upon hundreds of episodes of One Piece. Just seems like it must be such a steep revenue decline from the days when people had to buy physical releases.

Granted, piracy is so common, maybe they still make out with more money with cheap streaming services than they used to when it was physical releases and nothing else. I dunno, hence the question.

NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Jan 11, 2024

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



I dunno if I've talked about it in here or not but I just don't understand the Tenchi creator. He made this elaborate scifi universe/multiverse, full of all these neat ideas about cosmic beings and civilizations, and technology and then he obscures all of it behind a harem anime.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Was talking "your top 5 mecha" with a guy on discord. I haven't seen a lot of the great mecha series cuz they haven't been dubbed and I can't follow subs.

But anyway, I was trying to recall all the non-Gundam mecha I've seen. It's not much. I haven't thought about Zoids in forever but I guess it's mecha, even if it is as far removed from a Gundam series as possible. I have always loved Chaotic Century/Guardian Force. It's very basic but maybe that is part of its appeal. That and an absolutely amazing soundtrack and some really cool animal robot/robot animal designs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chUgh-EXJmQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldx2tsIy5Bw

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



KariOhki posted:

I never did finish Chaotic Century, mainly because Zoids was one of those shows that I caught irregularly while getting ready for school, but New Century Zero aired in the afternoon block and I did finish that one.
The only model kits I've built were Zoids, the ones that took batteries and moved around.

NCZ is way different in tone but I still quite liked it, too.

It's a shame I've heard every oether Zoids show sucked.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



~Coxy posted:

Also, I wonder how much the particular series we remember from our adolescence was driven by local communities like university anime clubs and Direct Connect servers at LAN parties.

Anime clubs and tape trading is how a lot of folks got into anime back in the day. I used to hang out on a DBZ forum with a lot of old, hardcore fans, talking about trading VHSes back in the 90s. And there was this shounen romance from the 80s called Kimagure Orange Road which, so far as I can discover, only really had any traction ouside of Japan because of the aforementioned small anime clubs and swapping video tapes.

quote:

Of course a bunch of mostly forgettable harem anime but I have a soft spot for Vandread, the weird space mecha show about men and women from warring planets. Of course I haven't watched it for 20 years so it might be awful.

Oh man, Vandread. It helped a younger me realize the fickleness of popularity over time. I used to know a lot of people who talked about it, so I watched it, but when I went back to try and re-watch it years later, no one knew or cared about it and it was even hard to find it to watch.

Kyo Kaa Maoh is another one which was really popular for what it was back in the 2000s but I'm not sure anybody remembers or cares about it now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scbKPA0qDMg

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NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE1TuuoWZpc

Everything about this OP is the best. I love it so much.

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