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BTW, the previous thread has been moved to the Goodmine, thanks to Cinci for doing that! It will now be preserved as well as be readable to unregistered users, for the sake of historical preservation and records (since SA is being archived by the Library of Congress). You can find the Goodmined old thread here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3993516 Also, just curious - someone counter-toxxed me and I was just wondering if they ever paid up; I don't remember, but reviewing the previous OP had my Toxx and nurmie's countertoxx in it, so that's why I'm wondering nurmie posted:i propose the following conditions for my counter- to HonorableTB: HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Oct 12, 2022 |
# ¿ Oct 12, 2022 01:19 |
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# ¿ May 14, 2024 05:40 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:They did. We had an internal conversation at the time, and the decision was that D&D's preferred toxx redemption story is a charitable donation and admitting that you're wrong. Thanks! It's been a while so I couldn't remember
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# ¿ Oct 12, 2022 01:55 |
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Debating whether or not the Kerch bridge is a military target seems pretty pointless after it's already been categorized as a military target via truck bomb. Ukraine's behavior in the war has demonstrated a conscious aversion to attacking non-military targets and has tried to minimize collateral damage. This also sounds a lot like the argument about whether or not civilian contractors working on the Death Star counted as legitimate military targets from Clerks.
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# ¿ Oct 12, 2022 22:19 |
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cinci edit: corpses in open sight, other combat aftermath scenery https://theins.ru/en/news/256786 A good article about some recent Russian military disasters. Hundreds of marines were killed near Vuhledar and Ukraine received new shipments of SAM systems. Pavlivka is mauling the RUAF. article posted:On the evening of November 6, the Russian Pacific Fleets 155th Separate Guards Marine Brigade was revealed to be in critical condition. The soldiers stationed near Pavlivka (a village in the Marinka district of the Donetsk Region of Ukraine) in the Vuhledar area handed the governor of Russias Primorye a letter complaining about the command and asking him to send a commission to stop an ill-planned and unprepared attack on the Ukrainian armys positions. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Somebody fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Nov 8, 2022 |
# ¿ Nov 7, 2022 23:20 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Right, they did disconnect the peninsula, but Im not sure which is the area youre speaking of. I assume that there still is a railway line Novooleksiivka-Melitopol-Fedorivka-Verkhnii Tokmak-Kamish Zorya-Volnovakha-Dolya-Larine-Dobaysk-Uspenska-Kvashino-Taganrog-Rostov, but thinking more about it you certainly have a point that some areas of that would be more than dangerous to traverse - the Volnovakha-Dolya segment in particular. Cinci be honest, did you have that entire string of railroad station towns memorized at hand or did you have to look it up? Because that would be quite impressive
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# ¿ Nov 11, 2022 20:45 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Of course I didnt, dont be ridiculous. I just spent some time looking at railroad maps of Ukraine a few weeks ago, when we had a conversation about potential first objectives on Zaporizhzhia front. Unfortunately, the map Ive been most particular to does not reflect the post-2014 state of the network. It's not as ridiculous if you have ever encountered a community of hardcore train enthusiasts or people who play train sims and see what they're capable of as far as that goes https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1590458468502323200?s=20&t=LBfj9jRfcpTtHeq5xQYM-A I wonder if this would explain the chaotic retreat from Kherson. It would make sense if the decision was hinging on a large GOP majority so the execution would need to be able to start on a whim, but as it seems that nobody got around to informing the troops that they were retreating before Surovikin and Shoigu announced it, it appears that Russia's military is not capable of this level of coordination. This is an organizational catastrophe HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Nov 11, 2022 |
# ¿ Nov 11, 2022 21:48 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:
Christ I forgot we aced the leader of Quds Force in a parking lot under false negotiation pretenses
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# ¿ Nov 16, 2022 01:19 |
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Warbadger posted:You might be surprised about the wide gamut of things tungsten balls flying extremely fast consider "soft". An IFV or APC are decently likely to be holed from above. An actual tank hit by that sort of thing is likely to be mission-killed if not outright destroyed through the loss of optics, engine, guns, fuel tanks, etc. I wonder if a relatively modern tank (let's be generous and say T-80 and above?) would have enough armor to keep the crew alive even if the tank itself is mission killed or rendered useless. Tungsten is a lot more dense than most metals so armor penetration is going to work differently on tank armor than traditional anti-tank munitions would. On the whole, I'd rather be the one shooting those HIMARS than the ones wondering if my tank armor is going to hold up against 180,000 shotgun pellets from a missile
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# ¿ Nov 18, 2022 18:04 |
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Hah, I was checking out Perun's channel and I had no idea he used to be an exclusively video game channel until the war started. Since then he's done exclusively war related videos
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# ¿ Nov 25, 2022 07:40 |
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Charlotte Hornets posted:It's obvious that Russia has scaled back its ambitions e.g trying to encircle Slovyansk and Kramatorsk already failed in May. I was extremely confused about the "New York" part of your post until I scoured a map and saw, sure enough, there is a Ukrainian New York :o Charlotte Hornets posted:The lacklustre military support and invisible red lines (e.g the same Belgorod can't be meaningfully touched) The key thing here is that the US has formal, legal defense treaties with Lithuania, Australia, and Estonia. It has no such obligations to Ukraine. It's an important distinction to make.
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# ¿ Nov 28, 2022 18:56 |
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Charlotte Hornets posted:Exactly, they have no obligations. So let's just provide enough not to die but also not enough to live. So everything is half assed hence Ukraine won't get any leverage through the battlefield to avoid an inevitable poo poo deal. Saying Ukraine won't have any battlefield leverage is an odd thing to say coming off the heels of two very successful offensives that liberated Kharkiv and Kherson oblasts, including the city of Kherson itself. I would say that is a great deal more help than "enough not to die"
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# ¿ Nov 28, 2022 19:22 |
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To kind of get away from the grisly talk of a targeted artillery assassination (skill of the Ukrainian artillery men notwithstanding), if it's okay to talk about what seems like a likely outcome in the near future, what happens when Ukraine retakes Donetsk or Luhansk cities? They're the capital hotbeds of separatism and Donetsk is what, 40ish km from the frontline? Retaking these major cities is within sight based on Ukrainian operations recently. Would losing a center of separatism make the Russian collapse happen faster? Would it complicate things by Ukraine having to do anti-insurgency occupation work while also fighting a frontline war? It's not something I thought we would have to be thinking about if you had asked me in February. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ¿ Dec 8, 2022 19:45 |
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Just Another Lurker posted:Seconding that it's a must watch.
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# ¿ Dec 17, 2022 20:00 |
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Willo567 posted:https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1607568234873556992 Lmao, an ultimatum?? "Or its army would decide the issue" I can't stop laughing the army has been trying and failing to decide the issue since february, oh my god
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# ¿ Dec 27, 2022 08:59 |
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Vietnom nom nom posted:There certainly are escalation concerns, and you could argue this is a way to "boil the frog slowly" so that Putin doesn't get shocked into something drastic. I think it's more this than anything else. Think back to the start of the war and consider whether anyone would have ever believed the US would give Ukraine a battery of Patriots. Now we're seriously discussing delivery of western tanks that are currently being delivered. Ramping up the weapons aid given was deliberate because if all you've been giving is Stingers and Javelins then suddenly you start supplying tanks and advanced air defense systems overnight, your opponent is going to freak out and assume the worst. That's never a good idea when dealing with escalation chains
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# ¿ Jan 10, 2023 21:48 |
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Willo567 posted:What's the range of the S-400 missiles? From Kyiv to Moscow it's around 800KM, so I'm wondering of they would actually fire missiles from Moscow if they can actually reach Kyiv or another part of Ukraine since they're putting the S-400 there S-400 has a range of 250km for aerial targets, no possible way it could hit Kyiv from Moscow
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# ¿ Jan 17, 2023 21:30 |
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Antigravitas posted:Pretty sure Bulgaria is an active producer of that ammo. You're correct. The Bulgarian arms industry is a huge producer of Soviet caliber ammunition and equipment.
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# ¿ Jan 18, 2023 20:14 |
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OddObserver posted:Turkey had some crazy hyper inflation, IIRC,(like three digits, IIRC?) so in a Democracy would would expect Erdogan to be in trouble.. For people who aren't aware of the F-16 thing OddObserver mentioned, it's this: https://www.defensenews.com/global/2023/01/18/turkey-f-16-sale-in-limbo-amid-lockheed-backlog/
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# ¿ Jan 23, 2023 22:06 |
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Knightsoul posted:Sure thing ..... just wait the next weeks/months when the newly trained 200k/300k russian troops will be deployed in ukraine. What the gently caress is this lol
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# ¿ Jan 23, 2023 23:44 |
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LRADIKAL posted:I feel like at this point, if the west let Ukraine's economy fail, it would be a huge amounts of deaths and misery as a losing war turns into a bloody occupation. Jeez, is it better for RUSSIA to lose this war? yuck. It was always better for Russia to lose this war.
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# ¿ Feb 20, 2023 09:02 |
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Hey Cinci, are Girkin statements still okay to post here? If so, he is quite sad today: https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1630175329422655489?s=20 Some good quotes: Igor Strelkov-Girkin posted:"Days, like grains of sand in an hourglass, flow away and flow away...." Igor Strelkov-Girkin posted:"Decision making centers" in Kyiv make decisions in the most comfortable and safe way, no one even tried to endanger them so far..." Igor Strelkov-Girkin posted:"And the only 'entertainment' for angry patriots dumbfounded by reality is the public mutual scuffle paid for by gentlemen Shoigu and Prigozhin..."
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# ¿ Feb 28, 2023 02:02 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Was fine, for that statement on the last page at least. I'm glad that Girkin's posts are allowed at least (personally, I could do with or without Solovyov and Simonyan, they are largely wind bags) because I have always interpreted Girkin to be the mouthpiece of the FSB in the Kremlin's internal posting wars. Wagner has Prigozhin doing the PR himself, and I guess the RU Ministry of Defense is represented by a combination of Peskov and MoD releases, with..I guess Kadyrov being the mouthpiece for the hardliners? This reminds me a lot of the same kind of Kremlinology that was everywhere in the Cold War. I lived in RU, have degrees in this area, speak Russian, and what the Kremlin is doing is still largely a mystery. I have no idea how people did it in the past without the flow of information we have now
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# ¿ Feb 28, 2023 02:23 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:It's getting late for me to reply to the full post, but I want to address the start of it, as it makes it seem like there's a ream of topics forbidden to post about. Maybe I'm reading too much into your phrasing, but if it's not restricted in the thread rules, you can just post it without reservation*. Furthermore, the language of the rules is deliberate, e.g., “discouraged” does explicitly not mean “forbidden”. I did not mean to imply that there was a lot forbidden, that was definitely meant more of a "I am particularly glad this is okay to discuss" manner
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# ¿ Feb 28, 2023 02:44 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Not sure I fully agree with you, to circle back to this post. Thank you for this breakdown, very informative
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# ¿ Mar 1, 2023 03:14 |
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saratoga posted:FWIW the battle for Bakhmut started in early August, and long range fire on the city before then. They've been fighting over it for half of the entire war, so it didn't suddenly become important. Not quite true. The "Battle of Bakhmut" started on August 1 and is defined by the Russian push from Popasna and is a really weird date to mark the start of that conflict. Using August 1 (as found in the wiki) is for some reason ignoring the months of fighting in Bakhmut that had been ongoing since May when Popasna fell and Ukraine retreated to Bakhmut. By the time August 1 came around Bakhmut had long already looked like the Somme E: not saying this is your doing or anything to be clear, the wiki is just inaccurate in my view
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# ¿ Mar 2, 2023 04:12 |
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That story of Jihad Johnny is so insane that it has to be true because nobody could make up such a crazy sequence of events. Personally I found it absurd that they didn't kick him out after the ISIS thing but hey. There was a raid on Bryansk by volunteers that were apparently Russian neo-nazis or something. They crossed the border and took selfies in Bryansk and it made Girkin begrudgingly admit that was pretty good and start talking about how he's afraid of consequences for his words. It's a weird post even by Girkin standards. https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1631388469351030785?s=20 "Alternative success in Vuhledar" got a good chuckle out of me
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# ¿ Mar 2, 2023 21:34 |
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Eric Cantonese posted:Ukraine has to withdraw from Bakhmut soon, right? It just seems untenable in the long term and it looks like the forces there have done more than their fair share of attritional damage to the Russians. Fresh reinforcements were just deployed to Bakhmut and with how things have been shaping, it seems very likely that Bakhmut's sudden strategic importance is directly proportional to how many Russian troops it can pin down in a constant attritional buzzsaw so that they can't be deployed to counter the upcoming Ukrainian counteroffensive in Zaporizhzhia
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# ¿ Mar 3, 2023 03:47 |
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1631711474241482753?t=xruzAkfZ8dl3IV3x173Wpg&s=19 Khodakovsky also thinks that Bakhmut is intended to be a pinning action to support a Ukrainian counteroffensive elsewhere
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# ¿ Mar 3, 2023 19:18 |
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Chalks posted:Do they have enough time before the ground thaws to launch a counteroffensive? Seems unlikely they'd be able to hold Bakhmut until things dry out in the spring. The south of Ukraine thaws and dries earlier than it does in the east/northeast regions. It's not super significant (about a week's difference more or less) but if you gently caress it up like Putin did, it can be very bad for you. It's possible the south will be dry enough to launch a counteroffensive while the mud's still a problem further northeast. In my view, the counteroffensive is going to be in the Zaporizhzhia oblast area and likely aimed at severing the land bridge between Crimea and Russia so the likely target for this next particular counteroffensive will be Melitopol, probably not Mariupol this time. Melitopol would be a reasonable target; it's strategically important, threatens the Russians further south with being caught in a pincer between Melitopol and Kherson, makes Russia decide whether to defend Mariupol direction or Crimea direction, leaves Ukraine a lot of flexibility in what to do next. HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Mar 3, 2023 |
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I don't think Kadyrov's poisoning is outlandish anymore. MSN has picked up the story https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/top-putin-ally-ramzan-kadyrov-seriously-ill-from-suspected-poisoning/ar-AA18dOku?li=BBnb7Kz MSN posted:Chechen warlord Ramzan Kadyrov – a close ally of Vladimir Putin – is reported to be seriously ill with kidney problems amid fears of ‘poisoning’.
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# ¿ Mar 5, 2023 06:06 |
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Fair enough, I should improve my media literacy. My mistake!
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# ¿ Mar 5, 2023 07:47 |
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Okay if people can't post the article in the post as a quote then are we still allowed to post archived versions of paywalled articles? Because restricting good discussion behind a paywall is dumb in the age of the internet. And given that this is D&D where we are expected to back up our claims with citations, we will need a way to actually do that unless it's expected that everyone posting here pay for a subscription to whatever news service. Many people have said here they don't tend to click-through to other links. It just makes sense to be able to cite your source in the post you make using that source without expecting someone to link-out of the app or browser to another site, especially in the Debate forum.
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There is definitely going to be the issue cropping up of selective editing to present things out of context or intentionally misconstrued as mr anus just said. There will not be any way of really verifying or fact checking that unless posters go out of their way to find a non-paywalled version and read it, and by the time they've done that and posted, the thread's moved on. Anyways last I will say about it to not continue the derail
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# ¿ Mar 8, 2023 23:15 |
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Avian Pneumonia posted:Jokes aside, how is the war going generally? Russia has overwhelming systemic issues with their military that they are unable to rectify in time to matter in this war, from mobilization to equipment to sanctions and manufacturing to import substitution to literally everything. Ukraine never had enough of things to begin with, but western weapons and aid have made such a difference that Ukraine is winning the war in sense of they are actively retaking territory (they undid an entire year of Russian gains around Kharkiv and Kherson in 3 weeks), and now the Ukrainians have held off another major Russian offensive. The next action is likely to be an offensive by Ukraine aimed at severing the land bridge to Crimea and likely targets are Melitopol and Mariupol.
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# ¿ Mar 9, 2023 06:07 |
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Crossposting my own post from the GBS thread because I am interested to see what D&D makes of this:HonorableTB posted:Interestingly, Prigozhin seems to have been hacked. He seems to be conducting tax evasion and LOL, ordering Wagner candidates to undergo polygraphs to ascertain war enthusiasm and whether or not recruits have ties to the FSB. The last bit is especially interesting to me. And I have provided translatons too: Dossier-Central posted:In early autumn 2022, unknown hackers gained access to more than 1 million documents of Yevgeny Prigozhin's structures . For several months, the group maintained access to the network, pumping out all the fun from there. Some of the files from the #Wagnerleaks archives were at the disposal of journalists from Die Welt, the Dossier Center, Insider, Paris Match and Arte. Some other bits that I found relevant (a lot of the article was supporting technical information that didn't need to be posted here): quote:Many employees of the Troll Factory come to St. Petersburg from other cities or countries. This is due to the long-term negative image of Prigozhin in the urban labor market. quote:After the start of the war, another question was added to the standard set - about the attitude towards the "military operation". quote:What does the Troll Factory do? RYBAR IS FUNDED BY PRIGOZHIN quote:Another well-known military observer - Rybar, aka Mikhail Zvinchuk , - a couple of years ago, he came to work in the office of the Troll Factory and actively promoted his channel at her expense. In one of the documents of that time, Zvinchuk was listed as the head of the “international direction”, where, in addition to him, 49 other people were involved and received payments, including journalist Abbas Juma and military observer Boris Rozhin (Colonel Cassad) . Prigozhin also worked closely with Dugina, Alexander Dugin's daughter quote:Of the famous people in the archive, you can find the deceased Daria Dugin. She joined the Patriot media group in 2018 or 2019 and worked there until the murder. Dugina was responsible for the foreign direction, including organizing Prigozhin's publications and comments in the Turkish media. In particular, according to the source, she organized a big interview with the Aydınlık newspaper and a photo of Prigozhin on the front page.
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# ¿ Mar 20, 2023 06:29 |
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The strike on Dzhankoi took out a trainload of Kalibr-NK missiles in transit. Kalibr NKs are the variant meant for anti-surface ships, so it seems likely that Russia is now repurposing anti-shipping missiles for land strikes in the same way that they've repurposed S-300 and S-400 SAMs for ground-to-ground strikes. That has dire implications for the state of Russia's cruise missile stocks.
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# ¿ Mar 20, 2023 22:11 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Source? zone posted:https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1637922488175796227 cinci zoo sniper posted:So far, this looks like a cool story reported by yet another random spam account like @EuromaidanPR, @TpyxaNews, @nexta_tv, and so on. The original source is the Ukrainian GUR: https://t.me/DIUkraine/2108
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# ¿ Mar 20, 2023 22:17 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Yeah, and I'm calling GUR statement a cool story, until there's at least some evidence. Fair enough, was just trying to answer your source request
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# ¿ Mar 20, 2023 22:20 |
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https://www.reuters.com/world/india/russia-cannot-meet-arms-delivery-commitments-because-war-indian-air-force-says-2023-03-23/ According to Reuters, the war's causing Russia to be unable to meet its arms shipment obligations to India. This isn't the first time it's happened either, it happened with a shipment of armored vehicles and other weapons last year if I'm remembering correctly. This will only strengthen China in the long term, especially with the trending of Russia towards being a resource colony junior partner of Beijing's. India without a Russia to buy arms from will need to get them elsewhere and China's a major producer of arms.
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# ¿ Mar 23, 2023 21:30 |
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# ¿ May 14, 2024 05:40 |
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Quixzlizx posted:China is the reason India wants to be armed. So the Indian/Russian relationship declining would strengthen the US, if anyone. Goes to show how much I know about Indian geopolitics
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