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The article says that Ukrainians had modified the missile, which I'm taking to mean that they did the calculations in KSP and then bolted a few extra booster rockets on the S-200  but yes the likelihood of "Russian bombers use predictable routes on their missile runs" sounds very high, and when Ukraine has early warning that Backfires have taken off and are on their way and then wiggle with the missile's parametres a bit, it gives them a chance to surprise an overconfident enemy with some 1970's missile. 
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i find it simultaneously 100% poetic AND appropriate that bentley's death is left ambiguous between "got micked by ukranian artillery" versus "got shot by suspicious russians"
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Apr 19, 2024 19:54
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spankmeister posted:It'll pass but I'll still be relieved when it does, and I can't help but think that the past six months have really hurt Ukraine's position on the battlefield, in a way that they may not recover from. The bill is expected to pass the House on Saturday and the Senate will probably immediately take up the business of passing it as quickly as possible. Senators have been notified to expect to need to be there this weekend.
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Apr 19, 2024 20:16
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DTurtle posted:The bill has passed out of committee via four Democrats supporting five Republicans. It also passed a procedural vote in the House via 165 Democrats supporting 151 Republicans. It's going to pass. The holdup was always the lunatic caucus threatening a motion to vacate and the speaker being too cowardly to make a deal with Democrats. Dam's been broken.
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Apr 19, 2024 20:24
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mlmp08 posted:Might not have been a combat loss and just a mechanical or other issue. https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1c7o2lp/tu22m3_stavropol_krai_russia/ The tail looks pretty on fire for a mechanical issue. (not very graphic, but a plane on fire falling out of the sky fyi)
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Apr 19, 2024 20:46
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Young Freud posted:The "Cowboy Patriot" Russell Bentley has died after going missing following an artillery attack on April 8th.... Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
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Apr 19, 2024 20:53
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DTurtle posted:The bill has passed out of committee via four Democrats supporting five Republicans. It also passed a procedural vote in the House via 165 Democrats supporting 151 Republicans. That's fantastic news! I thought the house vote would be Saturday but it looks like it'll pass both houses this weeken? That's awesome. e: oh I misread, the actual vote is still tomorrow. Still, good news. Now all Schumer has to to is have the Senate vote for the Ukraine bill first then Israel and Taiwan. It'll pass. spankmeister fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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Apr 19, 2024 20:54
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spankmeister posted:That's fantastic news! I thought the house vote would be Saturday but it looks like it'll pass both houses this weeken? That's awesome. If the House passes all 4 measures (they will), then the Senate probably won't need to pass anything as the language of the House bills is substantially similar enough that they can fix issues in a conference committee.
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Apr 19, 2024 21:28
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spankmeister posted:Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Or in a muddier place.
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Apr 19, 2024 21:54
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spankmeister posted:That's fantastic news! I thought the house vote would be Saturday but it looks like it'll pass both houses this weeken? That's awesome. They're combining it all into one bill before sending it to the Senate, so there'd only need to be one Senate vote. Young Freud posted:The "Cowboy Patriot" Russell Bentley has died after going missing following an artillery attack on April 8th.... "The Ukranians Got Him!!" is definitely Russia trying for a propaganda boost, considering that his wife was saying he was kidnapped for being a spy until uhh now. Kchama fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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Apr 19, 2024 23:18
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Do we believe bombers or missiles for the bombers Russia's main bottleneck for their attacks on infrastructure? They seem to do missile attacks in giant waves, but I'm not sure if those are using "all available bombers" simultaneously (and thus a shootdown like this would make said waves smaller) or if the missions are limited by some other factor.
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Apr 20, 2024 01:11
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Pentagon is saying they can have new Ukraine aid in country in about a week. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/19/ukraine-us-weapons-house-aid-bill/ Washington Post posted:The Pentagon has a massive infusion of military aid for Ukraine “ready to go,” U.S. officials said, once a long-delayed funding measure, which is expected to pass the House this weekend, clears the Senate next week and President Biden signs it into law.
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Apr 20, 2024 01:12
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Kchama posted:"The Ukranians Got Him!!" is definitely Russia trying for a propaganda boost, considering that his wife was saying he was kidnapped for being a spy until uhh now. To be fair, it's not impossible that a Ukrainian strike hit a torture facility where he was held.
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Apr 20, 2024 01:46
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DTurtle posted:The bill has passed out of committee via four Democrats supporting five Republicans. It also passed a procedural vote in the House via 165 Democrats supporting 151 Republicans. Why not all Democrats? Are there Democrats who don't want Ukraine aid specifically?
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Apr 20, 2024 02:07
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small butter posted:Why not all Democrats? Are there Democrats who don't want Ukraine aid specifically? They oppose israel aid which is also part of the deal.
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Apr 20, 2024 02:09
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:They oppose israel aid which is also part of the deal. ... But isn't the whole thing broken up specifically so that congresspeople can make symbolic votes without affecting anything?
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Apr 20, 2024 02:23
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Volmarias posted:... But isn't the whole thing broken up specifically so that congresspeople can make symbolic votes without affecting anything? This is what I thought as well. Are these bills getting combined?
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Apr 20, 2024 04:24
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It didn't matter, the bills passed comfortably.
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Apr 20, 2024 05:14
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small butter posted:This is what I thought as well. They broke them up for the vote, for the reasons already noted. They’re being re-combined into one bill for the Senate. One vote there. It’ll pass.
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Apr 20, 2024 05:29
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small butter posted:Why not all Democrats? Are there Democrats who don't want Ukraine aid specifically? quote:APR 19, 2024, 11:01 AM | 118TH CONGRESS, 2ND SESSION DTurtle fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Apr 20, 2024 |
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Apr 20, 2024 06:56
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DTurtle posted:It was a single procedural vote about voting for four bills being moved forward: That the progressive faction also signed the letter calling for ukraine to surrender and refused to sign the call for emergency vote is just a coincidence
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Apr 20, 2024 10:31
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CatHorse posted:That the progressive faction also signed the letter calling for ukraine to surrender and refused to sign the call for emergency vote is just a coincidence Can you link to an article about it?
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Apr 20, 2024 12:19
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Paladinus posted:Can you link to an article about it? Probably this letter https://progressives.house.gov/_cac...ne-conflict.pdf Which there is nothing objectionable about. Besides Kherson in November 2022, the battle lines haven't moved since that letter was sent and they probably won't in the future. This war will end with the current borders. A ceasefire in October 2022 would have saved a lot of lives. 
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Apr 20, 2024 12:54
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Enjoy posted:Probably this letter It won't end. There may be a ceasefire, but Russia is not going to stop. Thinking that Russia isn't going to rebuild their offensive capability and retry in Ukraine, or somewhere else like the Baltics, is just incredibly naive.
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Apr 20, 2024 12:58
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spankmeister posted:It won't end. There may be a ceasefire, but Russia is not going to stop. Thinking that Russia isn't going to rebuild their offensive capability and retry in Ukraine, or somewhere else like the Baltics, is just incredibly naive. Agreed. It's not like they haven't made it a secret that that is their desire if they do get a ceasefire. Their requirements have always been "Ukraine gets no more help and are helpless when we return". I think 'naive' isn't a strong enough word.
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Apr 20, 2024 13:05
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Enjoy posted:Probably this letter
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Apr 20, 2024 13:27
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Enjoy posted:
That letter can possibly be excused when it was written, but pretty much everything that's happened since then have amply demonstrated the stupidity of trusting Putin to keep his word. It's been massively obvious the Russians will use any ceasefire to rearm before attacking again. The Russians from Putin on down have made it quite clear that Ukraine's ultimate fate is to be wiped out as an independent nation and people (and language). The Russian crimes against humanity in population transfer and kidnapping Ukrainian children should make it clear your position is simply wishful thinking at this point, frankly bordering on delusional based on the events since October 2022. You don't surrender to fascists, you fight them until they're beaten.
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Apr 20, 2024 13:29
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OddObserver posted:torture, rape, and ethnic cleansing The things which will stop happening once the war ends
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Apr 20, 2024 13:33
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As an aside, "the battle lines haven't move since 2022" is completely wrong. There is and has been constant movement on the battlefield, just not in huge, sweeping advances. You can only utter a sentence like that if you're ignorant as gently caress
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Apr 20, 2024 13:33
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Libluini posted:As an aside, "the battle lines haven't move since 2022" is completely wrong. There is and has been constant movement on the battlefield, just not in huge, sweeping advances. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZT-wVnFn60
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Apr 20, 2024 13:35
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Enjoy posted:The things which will stop happening once the war ends Yes, eventually they'll run out of people to do it to and have Russian settlers in place instead.
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Apr 20, 2024 13:36
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Enjoy posted:The things which will stop happening once the war ends Oh, okay, so you're just here to troll, then.
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Apr 20, 2024 13:38
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Enjoy posted:The things which will stop happening once the war ends What could possibly cause you to believe something that loving dumb.
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Apr 20, 2024 13:41
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Check their rap sheet before trying to engage in a discussion with an obvious troll
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Apr 20, 2024 13:46
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Enjoy posted:The things which will stop happening once the war ends Ah, so when Russia has finished torturing, raping, and ethnically cleansing everyone?
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spankmeister posted:It won't end. There may be a ceasefire, but Russia is not going to stop. Thinking that Russia isn't going to rebuild their offensive capability and retry in Ukraine, or somewhere else like the Baltics, is just incredibly naive. I still think Ukraine has the time, and Russia the watch. The West is currently matching (possibly exceeding) in aid what Russia is spending on their military, Russia cannot keep this up for long. The Ukrainian situation is not great, but if they can hold on for a year or two (considering the intensity stays the same), and continued aid from the West, they could get a actual ceasefire and peace on at least favorable terms.
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Apr 20, 2024 13:47
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Enjoy posted:The things which will stop happening once the war ends If the war ends with Russia leaving currently occupied territories? Sure. If Russia stays in charge, all of that will continue until remaining 'unpatriotic' Ukrainians and Tartars leave/jailed/tortured to death. Just like all of it continued throughout the quiet years between Minsk 2 and 2022. Putin's plan is blatantly settler colonialism, which is not known for stopping ongoing ethnic cleansing.
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Apr 20, 2024 13:58
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CatHorse posted:That the progressive faction also signed the letter calling for ukraine to surrender and refused to sign the call for emergency vote is just a coincidence In addition, members of the progressive faction in the House have so far always approved and supported any and all miltary aid for Ukraine - unlike the Republicans.
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Apr 20, 2024 14:18
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Enjoy posted:The things which will stop happening once the war ends But there was no war before Russia material supported and astroturfed a separatist movement, and invaded and took over Crimea and those regions; what value would such a cease fire have when the actor in question acted unilaterally in the first place? Isn't that just agreeing to give them a pause to reorganize their forces and strike again when Ukraine lets their guard down?
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Apr 20, 2024 14:51
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Enjoy posted:Probably this letter You're not wrong, but as long as we're wishing for Russia to behave differently than they have we might as well wish they had never launched a full scale invasion to begin with.
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