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Martman posted:Could superman kill a dog if it was really evil? This is my pitch for League of Super-Pets 2.
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Martman posted:Could superman kill a dog if it was really evil? I'm pretty sure he's canonically watched Old Yeller.
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Superman vs. White God
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CelticPredator posted:My brain doesn’t buy it. It doesn’t feel hopeful to me and it never will. That's your first issue: blaming Superman for what Zod did.
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Mar 13, 2024 14:30
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I don’t like Cavill in man of steel. He’s way better in BvS all around.
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Mar 13, 2024 14:50
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That' something an anti-Superman protestor would say... Where were you during the Capitol Building Bombing?!
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Isn't that just Kill The Justice League? No, they have little tanks and don't piss on anything
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Mar 13, 2024 15:06
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Jimbot posted:That' something an anti-Superman protestor would say... Where were you during the Capitol Building Bombing?! Making the piss in the jar
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CelticPredator posted:I don’t like Cavill in man of steel. He’s way better in BvS all around. wtf he's adorable in Man Of Steel
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Mar 13, 2024 15:20
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CelticPredator posted:Making the piss in the jar Drink more water please.
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Mar 13, 2024 15:33
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If the piss isn’t dehydrated brown then what’s the point of the gesture huh? You think peach tea is clear?
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Mar 13, 2024 15:40
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It's jolly rancher colored.
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Mar 13, 2024 15:45
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If you don't know, the "if there's a 1% chance" thing from Batman is what Dick Cheney said about terrorist attacks. They even wrote a book about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_One_Percent_Doctrine Something interesting in that Rogan interview is that Snyder reveals a really important book to him, that he read after his brother died when he was still a practicing Christian Scientist, was called Illusions: Confessions of a Reluctant Messiah. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusions_(Bach_novel) One big thing about the book is how bad it sucks to be a "Chosen One" kinda person. Very 70s counterculture stuff. Obvs a big time influence on his Superman movies.
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Kinda funny given 'it loving sucks to be the chosen one' is a recurring theme both in a lot of counterculture media, a lot of current media, and a lot of Jewish scripture.
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Space Fish posted:Clark would've spared Faora.
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Mar 14, 2024 20:08
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YggdrasilTM posted:Yeah. For those who don't know, this is a retcon (that has been retconned several times itself, pretty sure Zod and pals are alive currently). Siegel & Shuster Superman would kill both supervillains like Ultrahumanite and nonsuper villains like slumlords and gangsters whenever he felt it was warranted. No use crying over bad eggs! And tbf not even all modern writers have portrayed him as a dipshit boyscout going "oh noes I killed space Hitler boo hoo my no kill rule" but it's unfortunately a pretty popular take. Lame AF imo
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Kinda funny given 'it loving sucks to be the chosen one' is a recurring theme both in a lot of counterculture media, a lot of current media, and a lot of Jewish scripture. Ill never understand the clean idealized version of Supes, I simply dont get. Not being kind of sad and struggling with this immense burden at first as he grew and accepted his place as Superman would make me 100% more sus he was a weird sociopath than vice-versa. Its inhuman and unrelatable to me. Like if you have an issue with how Goyer, Terruo and Snyder executed that concept, sure whatever, but to call the idea something that destroys Supermans ethos is just silly. One of my biggest issues with peoples problems with Snyders supe is they constantly try to rob him of his humanity and the writers rights to explore his less than chipper emotions.
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People were calling Snyder’s Supes emo because god forbid a man have emotions. I’m half joking, but it’s so weird to see people, to this day, upset at the idea of a Superman having ANY uncertainty. There were multiple scenes of Clark saving people with zero hesitation before he donned the cape, but no, he’s actually a sociopathic evil god lol
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Mar 15, 2024 21:10
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God forbid that Clark Kent feels apprehensive about wielding absolute power
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Mar 15, 2024 22:35
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And - something not spelled out often enough - being inspired by the human examples he can see with his super-senses. He works to undo our damage while honoring the best in all of us. Even while feeling some doubts! I like that.
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It’s kinda wild that Superman purists usually only cite that one superman story that came out almost twenty years ago and pretty much nothing else.
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Space Fish posted:And - something not spelled out often enough - being inspired by the human examples he can see with his super-senses. He works to undo our damage while honoring the best in all of us. Even while feeling some doubts! I like that. I still love the moment in MoS where Lois investigates Clark's past and finds the former bully working at Waffle House or whatever and he is kinda awkward. He clearly kept his mouth shut in the past but was caught off-guard by a real journalist, it's a tiny look at the kind of inspiration Clark gave to people.
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McCloud posted:God forbid that Clark Kent feels apprehensive about wielding absolute power One of the earlier moments that suggested that the Snyder hatedom may have lost the plot was seeing a bunch of nominally progressive folk decrying how the autistic-coded Clark doesn't smile enough.
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Space Fish posted:And - something not spelled out often enough - being inspired by the human examples he can see with his super-senses. He works to undo our damage while honoring the best in all of us. Even while feeling some doubts! I like that. I love that part so much. He's seen the worst and the best of us, the jerk at the diner and the guy at the fishing boat, the ugly bullies at school, and people like Perry and Lombard who in their last moments choose to stay with Jenny so she won't be alone, rather than save themselves, and despite humanities ugliness and pettiness, we still inspire him. When the world engine is hitting him with that gravity beam, it's humanity's act of kindness and compassion that gives him the strength to carry the literal weight of the world, and in the end, his kindness inspires humanity right back. It's just so beautiful and hopeful
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You cannot be brave without feeling fear.
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ruddiger posted:It’s kinda wild that Superman purists usually only cite that one superman story that came out almost twenty years ago and pretty much nothing else. Like almost all 'Superman purists' aren't actually Superman fans in any meaningful sense and don't actually want what they say they do, a childish fantasy of smiling daddy coming down from the sky to fix everything with no effort. Reminds me of how Garth Ennis got approached to write a Superman story 'Because you're the only one who doesn't become five years old when I ask'.
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Why are so many people afraid to write what the people really want - a Superdick Even Zack Snyder failed us in our time of need
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We already have The Boys. If anything there's complains that there's too much 'Superman but evil' these days. ed: Oh wait you mean literally, and that's fair Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Mar 16, 2024 |
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RBA Starblade posted:Why are so many people afraid to write what the people really want - a Superdick If you want a superdick I can hook you up with a guy i know, just be prepared to limp for a while
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"Superman but evil" is safe, because there's a thousand forms of evil that people can broadly agree on. "Superman but good" is the dangerous option, because the popular perception of the character is not just that he's a well-meaning good guy but that he has deliberate, purposeful, and actionable morals. He's super good. And people don't all agree on super goodness.
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Of the more understated parts in BVS is that Clark is trying to be the “apolitical” comicsbook Superman, to some extent - and it makes him fuckin’ miserable. There’s lots of hate, but it’s not like he doesn’t have plenty of supporters either. He just doesn’t want to be that guy.
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Schwarzwald posted:"Superman but evil" is safe, because there's a thousand forms of evil that people can broadly agree on. I agree with you except for one thing. Evil superman is safe because it basically always boils down to the same sort of villainy: murder at various scales, theivery and intimidation at various scales. Everyone agrees that those things are bad. It can be fun to watch a fictional person enact them. Good superman is harder because there are a million ways to do good, they all have costs and limitations. Does he fight street crime? Does he fight the guy who sold him the gun, or marketed it? or created the socioeconomic conditions, or shirked their societal responsibilities? Where does it stop and what are the appropriate responses. I don't think it's a coincidence that the only two interesting and popular evil superman stories (Homelander and Omni-man, no one gives a poo poo about Brightburn) both believe they're the good guy, doing the right thing, albeit for very different reasons and expressing that in very different ways.
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Snowman_McK posted:I don't think it's a coincidence that the only two interesting and popular evil superman stories (Homelander and Omni-man, no one gives a poo poo about Brightburn) both believe they're the good guy, doing the right thing, albeit for very different reasons and expressing that in very different ways. FWIW Irredeemable and Injustice do a pretty good job of steeping otherwise good Supermans in heating water until they boil over and break bad, both won me over from initial skepticism.
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On a comics forum I used to be once someone posted a thread titled "How would superman react to seeing a sex worker on the street?" and the responses were fascinating because it was impossible to answer it without the person answering saying a lot about their own values.Snowman_McK posted:I don't think it's a coincidence that the only two interesting and popular evil superman stories (Homelander and Omni-man, no one gives a poo poo about Brightburn) both believe they're the good guy, doing the right thing, albeit for very different reasons and expressing that in very different ways. I'd disagree on Homelander tbh. The interesting aspect about Homelander as a character is that he's a Superman who doesn't really give a poo poo. He's certainly not a good guy, but he lacks the focus and ambition to really have an evil scheme either. massive spider fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Mar 17, 2024 |
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Brightburn is just if Goku didn't hit his head.
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The Alan Moore Majestic run is top tier Superman stories in disguise.
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Homelander "just" needs unconditional love and admiration from 100% of humanity. That this was impossible even when he did everything right (as far as anyone knew, anyway) made him batshit crazy.
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Necrothatcher posted:The Alan Moore Majestic run is top tier Superman stories in disguise. You mean Supreme, no?
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I ought to track down the actual Superman brand Superman stories Moore wrote in the 80s. I've read the only two people talk about (What Ever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow and For the Man Who Has Everything) but they were both really drat solid.
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Schwarzwald posted:I ought to track down the actual Superman brand Superman stories Moore wrote in the 80s. I've read the only two people talk about (What Ever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow and For the Man Who Has Everything) but they were both really drat solid. I don’t think he did much more than that, I got a collection of his DC stuff awhile back in TPB form and it’s largely single issues and short stories. Even the Green Lantern stuff that Geoff Johns spent years mining amounts to like a dozen odd pages
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