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if you want to be pissed on you can just ask you don't need to start involving the marine life
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DickParasite posted:Yes and this is why you horde vintage porno mags. I think that was the plot of that Denzel post-apocalyptic movie where only a blind man could be trusted with the lords sacred wares.
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That's three posts and no one is falling for the troll bait Methanar, time to try a new angle
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your brain is the most powerful computer
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Incitatus posted:your brain is the most powerful computer Counterpoint: my laptop didn't go through a phase of taking quasi-legal horse medicine from neon packets in the 2010s.
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Incitatus posted:your brain is the most powerful computer Speak for yourself
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Devils Affricate posted:I've actually been wondering, wouldn't it be possible to load the most important/expensive parts of the fab onto ships and move them to another location? Obviously it would be difficult and expensive to do this safely, but surely not as difficult and expensive as building brand new equipment from scratch, right? That's a solid question and I can try to offer a perspective here. I'm sure some of the tech can be expatriated to the USA, but that's only part of the problem; the high-end productive capacity that exists in the East between Taiwan and China is arguably irreplicable from a human resource standpoint. It's not just TSMC that's like that. The pipeline that exists to mass produce extremely high tech items like iphones couldn't be effectively moved in a similar way. The human know-how and resources represented by these manufacturing facilities exist nowhere in the world, and the work ethic of the people involved would largely be considered immoral in the west. TSMC has come up with major issues in the west with their attempts at expanding capacity because people in the USA just don't give nearly enough of a poo poo to learn and work hard enough to match eastern processes. We are lacking in technical know-how, and especially the sheer number of technically inclined people that exist in places like Shenzhen. Meanwhile in America the highest aspiration is to never work another day in your life if you could. Which makes sense, gently caress work, but you get situations like this all the time: https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/02/22/tsmc-managers-think-americans-dont-work-hard-enough quote:"The most difficult thing about wafer manufacturing is not technology," he said. "The most difficult thing is personnel management. Americans are the worst at this, because Americans are the most difficult to manage." In the West, factory work of this nature is seen as difficult and undesirable (because it is) which means the manpower available for factory work is highly uneducated. The entire concept of high-skill factory work is almost a complete non starter in the West at this point. And even if they did exist, the costs would be astronomical. TSMC and other Chinese entities like Foxconn would be somewhere between extremely difficult and impossible to reproduce in the West and even if they were, couldn't be done at anywhere near the same cost basis. I wish Americans were interested, as a cohort, is learning literally anything, ever, because no one here really understands the scale and accomplishment of what has been done at TSMC and Foxconn et al. These are monuments to human ingenuity and hard work that could arguably never be recreated in the west for a bunch of reasons. I'm not even sure they could recreate these firms if they burned down tomorrow. Everything is so much more expensive these days; the bones of Chinese manufacturing were built on a sea of cheap labor and inputs that don't really exist anymore in an increasingly hosed up world, and most people would consider the running of especially Shenzhen to be morally bankrupt by American standards. On top of that, China/Taiwan are ever-transitioning towards a more financially rich society and it has been jacking up wages and input costs in the region massively. Africa and similar nations are becoming the new China from a cost perspective but they have their own problems and will take a long time to get up to China's level (if that's even possible). I don't know. People constantly underestimate how incredible, scary, ingenious, exploitative, and unique these endeavors are, broadly. If we lose them, it could be a generational loss. Maybe that's good; you could easily argue that workers in these scenarios are being highly exploited, often times. But the loss to the technical capability represented by these titanic firms would be felt. Taima fucked around with this message at 11:05 on May 7, 2023 |
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Taima posted:I wish Americans were interested, as a cohort, is learning literally anything, ever, because no one here really understands the scale and accomplishment of what has been done at TSMC and Foxconn et al. These are monuments to human ingenuity and hard work that could arguably never be recreated in the west for a bunch of reasons. the moment the US (and any of its vassals) shifted to a fully finance based economy in the 70's is when they decided to abandon all attempts at innovation and have been spinning their wheels ever since. they're never getting out of that hole barring a wheel change.
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I hope I get to live on a post-US world before I die.
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a post-US for the rest of us
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Disco Pope posted:Counterpoint: my laptop didn't go through a phase of taking quasi-legal horse medicine from neon packets in the 2010s. lmao
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Piss Creep posted:I hope I get to live on a post-US world before I die. Go to Syria and listen to them pipe audio feed straight from the torture chamber around town pour encourager les autres. That's what multipolar post-democracy looks like.
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Bula Vinaka posted:It might be all over once the 4090 Ti comes out back in my day the ti 83 was good enough
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Piss Creep posted:I hope I get to live on a post-US world before I die.
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Not at all. America under the whip. Wee fucked around with this message at 15:34 on May 7, 2023 |
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Taima posted:That's a solid question and I can try to offer a perspective here. the same foxxconn who has to install suicide nets so their
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Sounds like America's well on its way to building a competitive semiconductor fab production line then!
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I got a smoked chicken today, btw
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Deki posted:We're building next gen chip fabs in the US as a hedge against this. yeah i wonder why you weren't doing that until now?
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god please help me posted:I will activate the cabbage-shaped jade to defeat Xi. I will activate the meat-shaped stone and fight as your partner.
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Xi is furious at Putin for not only refueling the Western MIC, but focusing it back on threats from revisionist great powers. Factories are humming and investment is flowing, to the great detriment of Xi's vile imperialist ambitions. Tankies will scream, but empowering Taiwan to safeguard its liberal democracy from a fascist tyrant is a pretty noble cause. Will be interesting to see how inventive the pro-fascist crowd will get with declaring Taiwan to be full of Nazis instead of, you know, desperate people trying to defend their homes from a genocidal invader. "These Amerikkkan running dogs worship at the altar of Chiang Kai-shek! Uncle Xi will return them to China's glorious 5,000 years of history!!"
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i just wanted to xxi a moderator
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Taima posted:That's a solid question and I can try to offer a perspective here. Sure, but in the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, those pipelines between the two countries are going to shut down anyway. TSMC isn't going to be shipping in parts from Shenzhen while PRC bombs are dropping on Taipei. Also I'm sure that in this same situation a lot of the TSMC personnel would be highly interested in vacating Taiwan for the sake of their own safety, and following the TSMC equipment wherever it may go would be a way to not only avoid danger but also preserve their careers in the process. Moving the whole operation to the US would obviously be a huge undertaking, both in terms of cultural differences and physical distance, but what about Japan? AFAIK Japan and Taiwan are pretty buddy-buddy, lots of cross tourism and cultural exchange. Devils Affricate fucked around with this message at 06:59 on May 8, 2023 |
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i was telling someone about this the other day, basically china just doesn't have it in them, just look at how blood thirsty americans are. with the effects of the one child policy catching up, all america has to do is send in all their school shooters and china is toast
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or should i say steamed, like a steamed bun
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China isn't going to do it any time soon they can't really fail or their century of humiliation will end up three
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snergle posted:the same foxxconn who has to install suicide nets so their Of course Foxconn sucks. I was clear about that. I actually think TSMC isn't super moral either btw as the insane work culture associated with it is pretty gross from a western viewpoint. Something can be gross and also impressive on a technical scale, which Foxconn absolutely is. 1.3 MILLION people work at Foxconn and a lot of their employees are massively skilled. Those skills and scale make Foxconn something that is wholly unique and arguably irreplaceable at this point with the current state of the world. I'm not going to get into it though; if you really think I was vetting Foxconn's labor practices in my post, I don't know what to say. The TSMC work environment would be immoral as well in the West turns out capitalism kinda sucks balls! However, at the end of the day, these operations are feats of human ingenuity. It can be both. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk. Devils Affricate posted:Sure, but in the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, those pipelines between the two countries are going to shut down anyway. TSMC isn't going to be shipping in parts from Shenzhen while PRC bombs are dropping on Taipei. Also I'm sure that in this same situation a lot of the TSMC personnel would be highly interested in vacating Taiwan for the sake of their own safety, and following the TSMC equipment wherever it may go would be a way to not only avoid danger but also preserve their careers in the process. Moving the whole operation to the US would obviously be a huge undertaking, both in terms of cultural differences and physical distance, but what about Japan? AFAIK Japan and Taiwan are pretty buddy-buddy, lots of cross tourism and cultural exchange. "better than building TSMC from scratch" is such a low bar that sure, fine, whatever. I'm sure they can transfer some parts and personnel and whatnot. The language barrier is incredibly real. Japan xenophobia is incredibly real, they would probably make a big effort for TSMC though, so maybe that's not the biggest issue. It would still be an issue though. Transferring a bunch of parts can only do so much. TSMC operates with the full support of Taiwan and is wholly integrated there. It's the crown jewel of an entire nation in a way few (any?) companies are elsewhere. A company of this nature puts down enormously complex roots, which are destroyed if removed. Would moving some parts be better than nothing? Sure... but losing TSMC would be an unmitigated disaster imo and would take an enormous amount of time and effort to reproduce elsewhere. And then the question is: sure, it can literally happen with enough time and money, but can that company then output goods at an acceptable market rate after all of that bullshit? I seriously doubt it but hey, I hope you're right, for all of our sakes. Taima fucked around with this message at 11:12 on May 8, 2023 |
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