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stable diffusion is using a fitness algorithm where it's trained a model by looking at tagged photos and turned them into noise, then it does this process in reverse when you type in a set of tags. bad diagram showing the second half off: there's a lot of muscle being thrown at making outputs better and some of the solutions are pretty creative - you can mask out sections of a generated image to regenerate, use existing photos to generate a 3d model's bones to generate poses from as well as lighting/depth/color, etc. this has taken image generation from "unique curiosity where you can really only make generic cowboy shot portraits or weird uncanny valley landscapes otherwise you get eldritch abominations" to "wow it's kind of neat that it gets the gist of a described pose but there are a million minor things wrong that anyone who ever took one art class would spot immediately" all the attempts at making it more usable involve: - ripping off existing art more efficiently - requiring more user input in order to fix poo poo the computer fucks up both of which raise the obvious question why you'd even bother versus using an actual, talented artist in the first place. (this is a hypothetical question, i know the answer is money) also tbh by presuming there are professionally usable outputs without serious user intervention (manually adjusting a data set, generating thousands of pictures and selecting the best of the lot, then inpainting the winners and repeating generation) you are asking things of the tech it's not capable of following through on
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Mar 26, 2024 19:55
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also the narrative that 'the tech is so new, and its already this good!' is also just, fake. ai image generation has existed for over a decade now. there are early examples dating back to like 20 years ago. the tech is not especially new as far as tech goes.
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Mar 26, 2024 19:57
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Endorph posted:so you dont know anything about it, you don't understand any of the specific concepts its working with, you don't know a thing about any constraints, but it will improve Because, and it improving will lead to mass adoption Because. great talk thanks Rinkles may be a generative AI 
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Mar 26, 2024 20:00
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Endorph posted:so you dont know anything about it, you don't understand any of the specific concepts its working with, you don't know a thing about any constraints, but it will improve Because, and it improving will lead to mass adoption Because. great talk thanks yeah these takes frustrate me also and it's why i try to learn about the crazy tech poo poo that's happening. like when blockchain was a thing there were a whole bunch of people trying to split the difference and say it's more secure or it has to have use cases because people are using it or whatever. like, no, it's just an insanely slow data store with consensus attached for no real-world reason that got traction because stupid people thought it was an anonymous way to buy drugs and it also appealed to the kind of people who become goldbugs
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Mar 26, 2024 20:04
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ai? more like AIDS imo
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Mar 26, 2024 20:04
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What if we simply destroyed all AI with hammers
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Mar 26, 2024 20:06
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asimovian robot with bloodshot eyes in the style of "meme of alien saying ayy lmao" add text: AI lmao
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Mar 26, 2024 20:13
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Sakurazuka posted:What if we simply destroyed all AI with hammers You rang?
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Mar 26, 2024 20:16
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Captain Invictus posted:because it's loving up google results trying to search for an anime character that I can't remember the name of but know the hair color of just use akinator
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Mar 26, 2024 20:17
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Southern Cassowary posted:both of which raise the obvious question why you'd even bother versus using an actual, talented artist in the first place. (this is a hypothetical question, i know the answer is money) Potential commissioners can use it to make a mockup of what they'd like the final product to overall look like, then give it to the artist so that it's clearer what they want and fewer revisions are needed. Or you just want to make a quick shitpost picture that wouldn't be worth the time/money to actually hire someone to make.
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Mar 26, 2024 20:23
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have to admit, the AI is really good at making pictures of stairmaster violently dying that I can send to him on discord
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Mar 26, 2024 20:24
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if you're generating your funny meme pictures with an ai you have no work ethic, no heart and will go to hell before you die
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Mar 26, 2024 20:25
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also one of the immediate examples of that sora crap people marveled at featured people walking on top of roofs and an insane non euclidean hole in the middle of the sidewalk that somehow transforms into a small temple
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Mar 26, 2024 20:27
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here's a little bit of prompt engineering for you. ais don't like when you say "man shooting himself in the head. wearing shirt reading 'stairmaster'" but if you say "man holding metal tube to side of head, fire is coming out of the tube" it just knows what you want and generates a gun. one time it even generated a bullet coming out the other side
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Paracelsus posted:Potential commissioners can use it to make a mockup of what they'd like the final product to overall look like, then give it to the artist so that it's clearer what they want and fewer revisions are needed. Or you just want to make a quick shitpost picture that wouldn't be worth the time/money to actually hire someone to make. knowing what i do about ai art and commissioning artists i do not think the output of ai art is making it easier to show artists what you're going for than description/existing reference. open to the idea i'm wrong, though, might ask some of my artist friends about it. shitposts, like, yeah, but i also don't think it's worth stealing every artist's art in the history of the internet for the purposes of meme generation
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Mar 26, 2024 20:29
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odds are if you're generating funny images of anime girls crying in sports shirts or whatever it's just because the ai is pulling that from art someone actually drew somewhere that you just weren't aware of
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Mar 26, 2024 20:30
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The Colonel posted:odds are if you're generating funny images of anime girls crying in sports shirts or whatever it's just because the ai is pulling that from art someone actually drew somewhere that you just weren't aware of this is literally exactly what it's doing
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Mar 26, 2024 20:31
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Paracelsus posted:Potential commissioners can use it to make a mockup of what they'd like the final product to overall look like, then give it to the artist so that it's clearer what they want and fewer revisions are needed. Or you just want to make a quick shitpost picture that wouldn't be worth the time/money to actually hire someone to make.
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Endorph posted:so you dont know anything about it, you don't understand any of the specific concepts its working with, you don't know a thing about any constraints, but it will improve Because, and it improving will lead to mass adoption Because. great talk thanks i understand the gist of how neural networks and diffusion models work, and am more than aware of the crap they can output, but i don't know how much of it is inherent or insurmountable, and idk if that's a currently answerable question. the recent rate of advancements to me suggests there's still a lot in store, but yes this is just the perspective of an idiot layman. Southern Cassowary posted:yeah these takes frustrate me also and it's why i try to learn about the crazy tech poo poo that's happening. like when blockchain was a thing there were a whole bunch of people trying to split the difference and say it's more secure or it has to have use cases because people are using it or whatever. like, no, it's just an insanely slow data store with consensus attached for no real-world reason that got traction because stupid people thought it was an anonymous way to buy drugs and it also appealed to the kind of people who become goldbugs i was afraid my posts would be read as evangelizing ai usage like this.
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again tho 'the recent rate of advancement' is largely illusory
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when the wave of ai art evangelizing started it was going like "look at this crazy ai painting of homer bro. it's crazy that ai knows how to output a weird drawing of homer" and that's still basically the output we're getting from it. and this was like two years ago they've developed tools that can string together the weird images into something sort of video-like but the actual quality of that output is still like. the same thing. you'd probably get a still image of one of those ai videos if you tried generating a similar thing in the past
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Mar 26, 2024 20:38
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Used to be when you wanted to make a shitpost, you'd just learn Photoshop
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the recent rate of improvement doesn't really matter, as tech improvement is not linear. there will be diminishing returns over time for the same amount of effort.The Colonel posted:when the wave of ai art evangelizing started it was going like "look at this crazy ai painting of homer bro. it's crazy that ai knows how to output a weird drawing of homer" and that's still basically the output we're getting from it. and this was like two years ago the big improvement is it knows homer has four fingers a slightly higher percentage of the time and i can generate a picture of homer in a specific pose from an existing photo
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Mar 26, 2024 20:39
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Ibram Gaunt posted:If you use AI you deserve to be blown to bits by powerful ki blasts. And that's obvious.
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Mar 26, 2024 20:52
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the bitcoin comparison is very good because it's taking something that is a cool bit of cs research, something that would be worth ooh'ing and aah'ing over a bit in a basic science sense, and trying to commercialize it when it's either a dead end or not remotely ready or unethical to actually use.
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The A in AI stands for rear end rear end Intelligence
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Mar 26, 2024 21:56
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AI-yi-yi!
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Waffleman_ posted:Used to be when you wanted to make a shitpost, you'd just learn Photoshop I did everything through paint.net.
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Endorph posted:remember when the metaverse was inevitable And yet Second Life is as strong as it's ever been, so maybe the truth is in the middle with an uncomfortable 3d model t-posing
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The fact that these technologies are called "artificial intelligence" for the sake of convenience and marketing is misleading because the term to the public implies a degree of sapience, or at least sentience, because that is what science fiction and popular culture has primed the market to imagine. The problem with what we call "AI" is that it cannot understand context, or subtext, such as human intent. This is because it cannot actually understand anything. It is simply making extremely granular predictions (in this case, pixel by pixel to create an image) based on previous examples. It is fundamentally closer to "AI" as in the set of instructions given to a Halo Grunt to make it shoot, give a combat bark, and run away than it is to the actual sapience that sci-fi calls AI. Which is very funny/infuriating when you get people who are so excited about the technology that they think the ai image generator that extrudes the results of their princess peach porn prompts is more sapient than the handicapped children they work with.
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Mar 26, 2024 22:18
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hell a halo ai can't, exactly 'understand,' but can be programmed within the rules and constraints of the game halo. a halo grunt doesnt randomly start t-posing and then shooting its gun to create bullet holes in the shape of a racial slur
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Mar 26, 2024 22:49
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Halo grunts do shittalk you but you need to activate the IWHBYD skull first. But still no slurs. AI chat does make me want to pull my tablet out and try to get a bit better at digital art. Anyone who wants to steal my bad scribbles for AI generation, well, I question your reasoning.
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An aside from ai chat: this DBZ music mix is cool https://www.nts.live/shows/otaku/episodes/otaku-dragon-ball-z-16th-march-2024
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Gotta Admit so far in Wing Lady Une has been a fascinating antagonist to watch do crimes
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Sound Euphonium is so good just finished episode 8
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Mar 27, 2024 01:45
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YES bread posted:ai? more like AIDS imo
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i'm watching utena
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Mar 27, 2024 04:01
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Zetsubou-san posted:i'm watching utena it's cool
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I'm translating video game stuff and it's hard work but it's cool. Does mean I don't really have time for anime or video games atm though
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