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anilEhilated posted:Mozart was a Freemason, if you want to shoehorn in some magic it's right there. There is actually a decent amount to talk about with Mozart as a servant and their deal but that would involve FGO spoilers.
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Coolguye posted:i hate this lmao
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Since this a Fate game, a lot of issues could be solved if Iori asked out Coyette on a date 
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 True Name Reveal Imminent Episode 20 - ...And into the Fire Thanks to the helpful directions of Rogue Saber, our heroes now know where their kidnapped cohort Kaya is contained. The true name of the sullen maiden will soon be revealed, as will the opening salvo of an enemy's dark designs.
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It was definitely a fun twist discovering with Jeanne Alter. Everyone instantly recognized her even with the different class so it was interesting finding out her deal compared to the one the fanbase is much more familiar with.
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A few points: -It's actually kinda fitting that Iori has a more varied toolkit and more involved gameplay than any of the Servants, because, well, it bears remembering that Servants aren't people, not really. The totality of a person of sufficient notoriety to be recorded as a Heroic Spirit can't fit into the crunchy candy shell of magic that makes up a Spirit Origin, so a Servant is just a fragment, a facet, almost a caricature of the original human being. It's a recurring theme in these works that Heroes are people who sacrificed their humanity for power and glory. Servant gameplay makes sense to generally have a much simpler playstyle of just bashing dudes really really hard with inhuman strength while Iori is more well-rounded and complex. He's not reduced down to a mythic archetype, at least not yet. -There is actually some in-universe connection between Jeanne D'Arc and Musashi, if only as a bit of an in-joke. In the mobile game, one of the earliest story chapters was the aforementioned France Singularity, where Evil Doppelganger Jeanne D'Arc was loving around with swarms of obnoxious damage-spongey wyvern enemies. In FGO, Servant classes have a rock-paper-scissors relationship, so the counter to all the Rider type enemies was a strong Assassin Servant. At the time, the best low-rarity Assassin that you were likely to get out of the gacha was... Sasaki Kojiro, famed samurai rival to Miyamoto Musashi. This led to the player community meme of "Sasaki Kojiro, Savior of France" using his Tsubame Gaeshi technique on what are, essentially, giant scaly swallows. -Sima Yi is actually summonable as a Rider Servant, not a Caster. Riders also tend to be generals and tacticians, and gives them the previously mentioned rock-paper-scissors class advantage against Caster Zhuge Liang.
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Yeah, definitely refreshing that given how popular she is in her F/GO form they were willing to make her what F/SR needed her to be instead. Also, given your discussion on Three Kingdoms servants who appear as Casters in F/GO, it's neat that they've also started branching out towards some of the ones a bit less associated with the main factions, like Yellow Turban Rebellion leader Zhang Jue.
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I'm given to understand that Lancer isn't called Jeanne Alter because she isn't an Alter servant. Her master is just so loving vengeful and angry, he turned actual Jeanne dark.
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NullBlack posted:I'm given to understand that Lancer isn't called Jeanne Alter because she isn't an Alter servant. Her master is just so loving vengeful and angry, he turned actual Jeanne dark. I mean that is what an altered servant is. It is just that without a regular Jeanne or another servant and an altered version there is no need to bring out that terminology.
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Well. That escalated quickly.
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I've been bamboozled! I knew just enough about Fate to know it has a different Jeanne d'Arc in it, so I assumed this had to be someone else...
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Jeanne Dark?
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Jeanne D'ark.
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the actual ultimate rogue assassin is just joanna and she brings along the literal wallhack and self-aiming farsight rifle everyone goes crying to boss because it's unfair boss agrees but does nothing because the crying is funny
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Unlimited Blade Works jokes are only funny when applied to stuff outside of the Fate franchise but this still needs to be said: Unlimited Boat Works
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Jeanne here was real fun back in the days of guessing Servants because like, yeah, she's absolutely Jeanne in looks, and the Edge makes her look like Alter, but the deal is Alter is an unique FGO existance because Jeanne as a Saint isn't supposed to be alterable, she does not have an evil side on her. So there's still that mystery to be solved! And BTW, this is more for a heads up: the second part of the DLC came out. It's a pretty self-contained story without any main story spoilers besides some foreshadowing of the third ending so it can perfectly slot into the NG+ playthrough.
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Coolguye posted:the actual ultimate rogue assassin is just joanna and she brings along the literal wallhack and self-aiming farsight rifle Is Doomguy an Archer or a Berserker?
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The Lone Badger posted:Is Doomguy an Archer or a Berserker? yes the real answer is Servant classes are fake you just get summoned for whatever slot needs you and someone, somewhere, will bend the logic to make it fit somehow. Musashi famously wrote a book the one time, looking forward to seeing Caster Musashi somewhere down the line "you are huge, that means you have huge guts" that's a poem, a veritable classic of literature. congrats Caster Doomguy,
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His most common spell is Fist.
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Runa posted:yes Also qualifies as a Sabre due to the chainsaw.
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I agree that "whatever you fit as is technically good enough for you to be summoned" is a thing, but Doomguy's most probable summon in a standard Holy Grail War is dependent on a combination of his feats in life and general public perception of him, so given the collective consciousness of humanity he's an Archer most of the time. The real summoning question is whether the admiration of millions of gamers is enough for him to overcome the hurdles of being from video games and the modern day, both of which are greatly tanking his Mystery. EDIT: Although I have just been made aware of the following... https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/write quote:From Middle English writen, from Old English wrītan, from Proto-West Germanic *wrītan, from Proto-Germanic *wrītaną (“to carve, write”), from Proto-Indo-European *wrey- (“to rip, tear”). So to be a writer really does mean "one who rips and tears". Congratulations, Caster Doomguy. Jossar fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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I… like this???
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The Lone Badger posted:Also qualifies as a Sabre due to the chainsaw. Clearly the Great Communicator would be a Servant as well.
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Since his shotgun doubles as a grappling hook Doomguy can also be a rider.
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sirtommygunn posted:Since his shotgun doubles as a grappling hook Doomguy can also be a rider. he rides the rocket launcher (rocket jumps)
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Classes are made up and rules don't matter. Jeanne D'Arc can fight as an Archer using dolphins and sharks, Doomguy can be any class he wants to be.
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The real question is: Are you going to tell Doomguy that he can't be X Class? I thought not.
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Free reign in the regular classes. There are oddball ones that could be talked about once the final dlc is out and we are sure they will not be showing up.
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MONGRELS Episode 21 - Leaves Hold Firm Against the Wind Iori and Saber now have a Problem. That's right, a problem with a big P. The Rogue Servants are being controlled, but who is pulling the strings? With almost nothing to go on, they set out to determine perhaps the only thing they can. Who is being controlled? Who isn't being controlled? Did any Rogues escape this terrible fate? Meanwhile Musashi helps out her Master with an errand that seems innocuous but cuts to the heart of everything Takao Dayu stands for. Also in this video: I explain the Servantverse to Coolguye.
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You know, it's sort of a boon this whole thing is happening in the time and place it is. Like if this was the modern day the whole Masquerade thing would be taken much more seriously, but in early 1600s Edo Japan? I feel like most people just generally accept that magic and monsters probably exist, even if nobody has much first-hand experience with it. Iori and Saber can get away with at least some amount of openly fantastical stuff and people will find it about as shocking as, say, seeing a guy in full medieval plate armor walking the street of modern Des Moines. Like it's noteworthy certainly, but it isn't worldview-shattering.
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An important detail you missed out on the Servantverse is that not only Heroic Spirits can exist permanently as a Servant... EVERYONE is a Servant. Even the random Joe over there. Everyone is superhuman and can come back from death cause they're spirit beings. And the best part? According to Nasu's cosmology, this is one of humanity's good ends.The Star Wars parody is what we should strive for (because we got out of Mama Earth's basement and surpassed death). On that topic, a funny detail about Calamity Jane is that despite coming from a joke verse, she's not that outlandish besides knowing how to operate a spaceship and being goofy. Her Noble Phantasm is Dead Man's Hand though from some reason, despite being a thing from another Wild West figure?
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:An important detail you missed out on the Servantverse is that not only Heroic Spirits can exist permanently as a Servant... EVERYONE is a Servant. Even the random Joe over there. Everyone is superhuman and can come back from death cause they're spirit beings. And the best part? According to Nasu's cosmology, this is one of humanity's good ends.The Star Wars parody is what we should strive for (because we got out of Mama Earth's basement and surpassed death). The Dead Man's Hand comes from Bill Hickock, who is alleged to have had a romance with Calamity Jane. Servants borrowing powers from people linked with them is actually pretty commonplace in Fate. Tarezax fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Apr 26, 2024 |
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The biggest thing preventing a Servant and Master pairing from simply going 'Arite I'm gone' and ditching a grail war is that Servants are dependent on the Holy Grail/Waxing Moon/Insert Substitute Here for Mana, since very few mages in the modern day (or even back when Mana was more plentiful) have the ability to sustain their servants just on what they can personally provide. That said, it is possible in (most) Grail Wars to withdraw, which usually involves the Master seeking asylum with whatever organization is running the war. They give up their Command Seals to the organizer, and their Servant is kept around until a new Master can contract with them, while the old Master basically sits around waiting for the war to end under the protection of the organizers... which they very much need. See, once you've been selected as a Master Candidate, even if you lose your servant in battle or give them up to drop out, there always exists the chance that a Servant without a Master might seek you out and form a new contract with you. So most opposing Masters will try to murder you dead regardless just to be on the safe side, because better to Commit Coldblooded Murder than to risk having a Servant you thought you defeated being given a life line.
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Every time Musashi or Gilgamesh aren't on screen you should be asking yourself what they're up to. Also good to ask that when they are on screen. 
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TheLastRoboKy posted:Space Ishtar Goddess Snarkly Tomboy Startarts Avenger Laserbeef Ishtarin Yourbase Farm Spacily Bounty Huntshtar Becky Twintails Honey Momoney Rin (Derogatory) Boots Cowgirl
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David Ryder gets some weird aliases in this sequel to space mutiny
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Coolguye posted:David Ryder gets some weird aliases in this sequel to space mutiny You don't know the half of it. Or the third, in the case of Space Ishtar (this is a reference to Space Ishtar). I'd also like to add that while I forgot that important point Rorahusky made (thank you!) I also neglected to mention that there's an energy in the Servantverse called "Altrium" that is a super dense crystal taking the same shape as the little hair curl that Altria (FGO Saber) has. A bunch of creatures can be empowered by this so you get all sorts of weird looking things with an Altria hair curl. A dragon included. I also neglected to mention that all Mori Ranmarus from Planet Ranmaru possess Ranmarium, a different kind of magical energy that makes it really hard to explain anything because you end up uttering a sentence that is 90% "Ranmaru" trying to talk about it. Ranmaru.
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Doing catchup: Another funny thing about Casters is that, being usually better mages (or having similar abilities at least) than either the Master participants or even the organizers of whatever grail war is being fought, they're more often viewed as nuisances who are just going to cheat or break the contest than legitimate contestants.
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Rody One Half posted:Doing catchup: If you ain't cheating you ain't trying.
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Oh for sure. I just can't remember where it is, Zero I think, that someone straight up goes "THE CASTER CLASS WAS A MISTAKE!!!!"
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