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Shei-kun posted:Which I hope is a running gag of sorts that doesn't get overplayed. Just the first impressions of people who know Iori seeing them together and going "oh you sly dog" but not constantly insisted upon or thrust into our faces. I have a feeling this isn't gonna happen too much, from our brief view of him so far Iori gives the strong impression that he is someone that Does Not gently caress
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The gif slightly speeding it up makes it so much funnier, you can almost hear the calliope music as you watch the Carousel of Exposition
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Yeah, none of the big high-concept anime metaphysics are important here, this is a pretty grounded straightforward story compared to, like, the mobile game where (spoilers if you care about mobile games) you fight robot-gods from outer loving space and other zany poo poo. This game is pretty firmly in the realm of standard historical urban fantasy that's fairly intuitive, don't worry about it.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:So the servants are real bodies that can interact with the normies? Having never got into Fate/, I kinda figured servants were like Stands While they can turn invisible/intangible when convenient (since they're basically ghosts of dead people no matter how much Saber hypes them up), they mostly walk around autonomously and stuff with something that approximates a normal tangible body. They strictly don't need to eat hamburgers and sleep on your sofa and such, but they can do so recreationally.
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Dec 20, 2023 03:43
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Even in the wide panoply of weird social situations that have cropped up in various Type Moon media over the years, Iori's meeting with pink-haired lady might rank Top 5 weirdest
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I'm glad you took the time to define "temporal coadjutor" because given the nature of conspiracy theories, at first blush it looked like they were suggesting that the Jesuits have Time-Cops at their disposal to cause historically relevent disasters
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Ozymandias honestly isn't the worst guess, as he IS a Servant in the mobile game, and his general attitude and mannerisms are noted even in-universe as being vaguely similar to the Boss. He also has DIO's voice actor!
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The Lone Badger posted:I’m surprised Boss is willing to let you actually buy things from him. Wouldn’t selling an item imply that it now belongs to you and not to him? He gets pissed off when people steal or counterfeit his stuff, this is the first time we've seen a situation where someone just offers him a poo poo-ton of money for it. All the world's treasure is ultimately his, it's more like renting it really.
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I appreciate that Heroic Spirits are these mighty, worldly, unflappable beings, but I feel like underneath the hypercompetent living legend facade a lot of them in situations like this are thinking "oh poo poo oh gently caress oh poo poo, who the gently caress is this new rear end in a top hat, wait there are people that can DO that!? I am so screwed oh my god"
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Jan 26, 2024 02:39
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Jossar posted:I mean, if you came back as a magic ghost version of yourself, you'd still basically be you, right? Still, these are Heroes, all of them have seen some weird poo poo, they wouldn't be recorded as a Hero if they hadn't, and even taking that into account I feel like the conversation right after this chapter is gonna go a bit like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGIjISeW8QM
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It is an interesting thing how Zheng Chenggong is a Master who, in some other Fate story, would likely themselves be a Servant. It's a thing this game does that's fairly novel, because having neat historical/mythological characters running around is de rigeur for this franchise, but it's always Servants, and kinda rarely is it Masters. It's neat seeing these larger-than-life characters bouncing off each other in a way that kinda... rhymes? Because Servants are ideally some commentary or shorthand for characterization of the guy who summoned them, so now it's a one-two punch of historical allusions. The last time I saw this was that bit in the mobile game where Lady Murasaki summoned past-future-steampunk-robot Charles Babbage as a Caster that one time.
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A selection of various thoughts: -I love how Zheng's magical communication hologram somehow has buffering and framerate issues in-universe -Gilgamesh is one of those characters who has a... wide range of characterizations in Fate stuff, ranging from kinda one-dimensional misogynist supervillain, to imperious "the world is full of curs unfit to be ruled, I will cull the herd" megalomaniac, to drunk bored hedonist who will kill you for being too annoying, to brokenly powerful ally who spoils the plot if you select him as your Servant companion, to inspiring (if chronically overworked) monarch, to full-on comic relief "rich guy who will finance shenanigans." He shows up a lot because he's the Oldest Hero, and in the metaphysics of it all the oldest and most original a thing is, the closer it is to the platonic ideal of its concept, and therefore the more mystically powerful, so Gil is great if you want a BULLSHIT POWERFUL guy. -Aria talking about Iori filling her magical energy requirements is almost certainly a "mana transfer" joke, a thing that was certainly canon in the original VN but I don't think has actually come up in-universe since except as a meme. That aspect of the magical worldbuilding kinda fell by the wayside, largely because the franchise grew beyond its "VN written in the early 2000s and thus contractually obligated to have porn in it" origins, and partly because the original F/SN had some of the worst sex scenes ever written. Not in terms of being especially offensive or depraved or whatever, but because Kinoko Nasu's wiring style has been likened to a Japanese E E Cummings and nobody has ever wanted to read his really bad sex scenes and their associated shellfish analogies.
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sirtommygunn posted:In all fairness, it's not like rogue Lancer's identity is a real secret. He's the guy who gets true named in the opening scenes of the original game after all. It might, in fact, be the least secret of all Servent identities!
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Speaking of recognizable... can other people see Aria's fox ears and tail and gigantic fox familiar and other various signifiers of being an obviously supernatural being? Or is that one of those things that are invisible to people untrained in the mystic arts?
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A list of notable old timey pirates that have appeared in the Fate franchise and are in some cases contemporaries of the story happening right now: -Blackbeard, who has already been discussed -Anne Bonny and Mary Read, shipmates of Calico Jack. They are in the somewhat rare position of always being summoned together as a pair that collectively count as a single Servant, usually a Rider or Archer. They generally think Blackbeard is a gross scumbag whenever they have to interact with him, and at least in FGO are brazenly aggressive about wanting a threesome with the MC -Sir Francis Drake, who is a lady and possibly actually Queen Elizabeth I who swapped places with the actual Francis Drake who is filling in for her in drag back in Buckingham while she has pirate adventures. Once went to Atlantis and stole the Holy Grail from Poseidon, and that was back when she was still alive before she even became a Servant. -Bartholomew "Black Bart" Roberts, who is a pleasant and charming rogue who has an all-consuming fetish for girls whose eyes are covered by their bangs -Christopher Columbus, who while not technically a "pirate" as such still kinda fits the maritime aesthetic, who is an avaricious amoral monster literally everyone hates. Like they do NOT downplay all the slaving and genocide stuff with him (which makes Drake look a bit of a hypocrite cus historically they ALSO sold a few slaves in their day, but nevertheless) Asterite34 fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Mar 8, 2024 |
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-Rogue Lancer, canonically, despises hotdogs. Not that he dislikes the taste, it's just that he's under a mystical geas to never consume dog, and nobody ever fully explained to him that "hotdog" isn't an accurately descriptive name. Yeah, this is the sort of franchise where this sort of thing has come up once. -While it might seem strange that Archer wouldn't recognize Servant Cao Cao right in front of him, it is not uncommon for Servants to look wildly different from how they looked in life, partly from a Servant usually only containing and highlighting certain aspects of a Hero's legend, and partly from being warped by later mythology distorting peoples' perception of them. There's some WILD looking Servants out there, which I won't give examples of in case they get selected for the Guess the Hero segment later.
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The Lone Badger posted:I’m looking at YOU, Leonardo I was thinking more about guys like Thomas Edison myself, but yeah they're also a good example
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Coolguye posted:if you're going to tell me vlad isn't part of this franchise at some point, i'll press x to doubt Vlad the Impaler is in fact an example of what I was talking about with Servants not necessarily matching up to how they actually were in life, because even in the wacky magic world of the Fate franchise the dude was NOT historically a vampire! It's just when he's summoned as a Heroic Spirit, the pop culture image of Count Dracula kinda seeps into his whole deal, much to his chagrin. Frankenstein? Totally real though
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So, a brief explanation of The Root, since it's come up: You know Plato? You know the Realm of Platonic Forms? It's basically just that. The explicit goal of every proper Mage is to find a way to physically enter the supernal realm of idealized concepts and hack the source code of reality, presumably toward some benevolent ends like ending all human suffering intrinsic to the current paradigm of material existence or something like that. Ends SO benevolent that literally any horrible actions can be justified in the pursuit of that goal. Hence Mages generally being kinda dicks about stuff, they tend to consider themselves to have moral carte blance as long as they succeed eventually. Naturally, you can't just waltz in there, the World quite sensibly has rather a lot of safeguards and defenses against random jerks re-writing the Akashic Records, so Mages have historically attempted various convoluted grandiose schemes to Ocean's Eleven this poo poo and break in. (spoilers if you ever intend to actually play Fate/Stay Night) One of these is... the Holy Grail War itself, an elaborate ritual to force open a path to the Root, with the magic genie wish for the winner being more of a bonus to entice more mundanely self-interested dupes into joining in. At least that's how it went in F/SN proper, I dunno what all this Waxing Moon poo poo is about.
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:Something to point out is that sometines the Casters who IRL had nothing to do with magic or occultism do have some relationship with magecraft in Fate. Mozart for example was acquainted with mages. So sometimes they do know magecraft comolimenting their legends. Casters are indeed a bit wacky that way, in that a decent number of them were not particularly associated with the arcane arts when they were alive and just got sorted into the Class because the Class system is a somewhat artificial construct with a lot of edge cases. These would be, like, Thomas Edison qualifying as "The Wizard of Menlo Park". But because this is an Urban Fantasy setting with a whole alternate history of secret magic, you get folks like Lady Murasaki, who is a Caster partly for the same reason a lot of writers are Casters, but ALSO had a little bit of training in Onmyodo from Abe no Seimei himself in this continuity. Then you have Charles Babbage, who did actually dabble a bit in the supernatural (he tried to summon the Devil as a kid and was part of Cambridge's ghost-hunting club) but his being a Caster servant has nothing to do with any of that.
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A few points: -It's actually kinda fitting that Iori has a more varied toolkit and more involved gameplay than any of the Servants, because, well, it bears remembering that Servants aren't people, not really. The totality of a person of sufficient notoriety to be recorded as a Heroic Spirit can't fit into the crunchy candy shell of magic that makes up a Spirit Origin, so a Servant is just a fragment, a facet, almost a caricature of the original human being. It's a recurring theme in these works that Heroes are people who sacrificed their humanity for power and glory. Servant gameplay makes sense to generally have a much simpler playstyle of just bashing dudes really really hard with inhuman strength while Iori is more well-rounded and complex. He's not reduced down to a mythic archetype, at least not yet. -There is actually some in-universe connection between Jeanne D'Arc and Musashi, if only as a bit of an in-joke. In the mobile game, one of the earliest story chapters was the aforementioned France Singularity, where Evil Doppelganger Jeanne D'Arc was loving around with swarms of obnoxious damage-spongey wyvern enemies. In FGO, Servant classes have a rock-paper-scissors relationship, so the counter to all the Rider type enemies was a strong Assassin Servant. At the time, the best low-rarity Assassin that you were likely to get out of the gacha was... Sasaki Kojiro, famed samurai rival to Miyamoto Musashi. This led to the player community meme of "Sasaki Kojiro, Savior of France" using his Tsubame Gaeshi technique on what are, essentially, giant scaly swallows. -Sima Yi is actually summonable as a Rider Servant, not a Caster. Riders also tend to be generals and tacticians, and gives them the previously mentioned rock-paper-scissors class advantage against Caster Zhuge Liang.
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You know, it's sort of a boon this whole thing is happening in the time and place it is. Like if this was the modern day the whole Masquerade thing would be taken much more seriously, but in early 1600s Edo Japan? I feel like most people just generally accept that magic and monsters probably exist, even if nobody has much first-hand experience with it. Iori and Saber can get away with at least some amount of openly fantastical stuff and people will find it about as shocking as, say, seeing a guy in full medieval plate armor walking the street of modern Des Moines. Like it's noteworthy certainly, but it isn't worldview-shattering.
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Yeah, Gil is actually a pretty decent Servant if you're one of the following: -you are dealing with a world-ending crisis that will guaranteed kill everyone on Earth, and you aren't a bitch about facing that poo poo down -you show him unerring deference and respect, but not in a way where you're just kissing his rear end to get something from him -you have some unquantifiable Enkidu-esque quality that makes you not boring That's a fair sight better than some Servants, who will just cut you in half the long way immediately upon being summoned and then lay waste to civilization until their mana runs out.
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Regarding Rogue Caster's name, "Kir-Key" is the more historically correct pronunciation, as it uses the Greek letter kappa. Pretty much every classical Greek name that gets written in English with a "C" in it should be pronounced with a K sound (Kerberos, Herakles, etc), as the sibilant "soft" C doesn't come about until the 3rd Century CE, where all the Roman transliteration of Greek stuff got passed through the filter of Late Latin palatalization of that consonant when next to an I or E vowel.
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This is why everyone keeps allying with Iori, dude's a straight-shooter who would never think of betraying an ally. In a winner-takes-all scenario like this, every alliance will inevitably break down, and you always want the other guy to be the principled honest one.
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