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socialsecurity posted:They aren't attacking Tiktok because its the hub of leftism or whatever conspiracy theory nonsense you have come up with. Also if leftist success is dependent on a random app it's doomed anyway. WSJ posted:Some lawmakers built momentum for the bill by holding hearings to introduce their colleagues to arguments against TikTok, Helberg said. He also co-hosted a hearing that focused in part on TikTok. Reporting indicates that pro-Palestine videos were a notable factor in why the bill suddenly appeared this year.
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Neat Bee posted:Please explain how Democrats can act as a firewall to fascism if they can't win because they burned their support with gen-z and millennials.
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Mizaq posted:MSNBC was just live streaming a reporter watching someone set themselves on fire outside Trump’s courtroom. She didn’t say how bad the fire was, but sounded weak unless she’s stone cold. Might be stone cold - a "totally charred human being." quote:As jury selection was completed inside of the courtroom in Manhattan, CNN's Laura Coates is narrating a fluid situation that is unfolding outside the building, including a man who caught fire. Is this a pro-Trump self-immolation?
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Neat Bee posted:Right, they're attacking Tiktok because its a hub of leftism AND its eating American companies' lunch. Is TikTok any more a hub for leftism than it is a hub for right wing lunacy?
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Neat Bee posted:Right, they're attacking Tiktok because its a hub of leftism AND its eating American companies' lunch. GlyphGryph posted:All you have to do to be alive today is to be part of an unbroken string of organisms managed to avoid ever losing (dying before they could produce), even once, in 3.5 billion years. You, personally, will continue to stay alive only so long as you "continue to bat a thousand".
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Neat Bee posted:This is a pretty bold claim considering we just witnessed a radical transformation in Twitter from a sale which wasn't even outside the US. yeah, definitely the most normal sale of a company ever and a good comparison
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:Is TikTok any more a hub for leftism than it is a hub for right wing lunacy? You'd have to extrapolate by demographics, but its U.S. users are overwhelmingly young & majority female (54F to 46M, according to Statista) . Other countries are more balanced by gender but still skew young in age.  eta: Hmm, that chart seems to indicate percentage of certain users' age groups but not the actual breakdown of users by age, so I'll try to find that and edit it in. etaa: Found this, but without a source. 
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As a reminder, regarding the last several pages, in-depth discussion of electoral politics and political strategies should be taken here so that this thread can remain about current events.
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Koos Group posted:As a reminder, regarding the last several pages, in-depth discussion of electoral politics and political strategies should be taken here so that this thread can remain about current events. For clarification purposes, pending legislation used as a political strategy may still be discussed here, right? What about the political ramifications of legislation?
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Neat Bee posted:This is a pretty bold claim considering we just witnessed a radical transformation in Twitter from a sale which wasn't even outside the US. It's a "bold claim" that most tech giants don't act like Elon Musk? There's nothing special about the way TikTok is run. It isn't even the only reel-type social media app on the market. It isn't even the first. It's just the most popular. Xombie fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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i think im also overdue for taking a long probation for daring, DARING to note outwardly that, yet again, the bizarre ideologue people pulling dozens of other posters into arguments about positions that survive zero scrutiny is once more on an account that has barely even passed a day since registration. anyway reporting as ordered to the tanks to become one with all the posters
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Might be stone cold - a "totally charred human being." It could be anything. I would think because of the Columbia University crackdown, it could be an anti-genocide protester following in Aaron Bushnell's footsteps who decided to do it in a place with the most media coverage.
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Willa Rogers posted:You'd have to extrapolate by demographics, but its U.S. users are overwhelmingly young & majority female (54F to 46M, according to Statista) . Other countries are more balanced by gender but still skew young in age. I don’t think you can really make a meaningful extrapolation in this instance just from age. I’m not saying that TikTok doesn’t have a left lean, but it is so effective at siloing people that I think most people are going to think it is aligned to whatever their individual predilections are. I would be interested to see if it actually skews one way or another.
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PostNouveau posted:One of the ByteDance investors said the government is trying to force a sale, but ByteDance would just shutter the U.S. operation rather than sell. The U.S. part is a very small part of the overall business and isn't profitable. It's probably just gamesmanship. Back in 2020, ByteDance agreed to divest in response to a threatened ban, though they put that on hold when a judge blocked the proposed ban long enough for the next government to cancel it.
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i like how SA has seen the rise and fall of multiple other social media platforms and media publishing platforms, but yes surely this new hottness will be the immortal alpha and omega. also there seems to be a growning counter culture against tech so even if there's top down pressure, there might actually be a grassroots bottom up thing.
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:I don’t think you can really make a meaningful extrapolation in this instance just from age. I’m not saying that TikTok doesn’t have a left lean, but it is so effective at siloing people that I think most people are going to think it is aligned to whatever their individual predilections are. I would be interested to see if it actually skews one way or another. I wasn't making an argument for leftism dominating tiktok but rather presenting the only demographics I was able to find. Ah, leave it to Pew Research:  On the other hand, one can't necessarily assume Democrats to be "leftists." Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 19:33 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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I don’t expect it to be immortal, it’s just that it’s my source of short videos of women with big naturals giving me home DIY tips and I’d hate to see it go because of a combination of Meta lobbying a competitor out of existence and right wing nonsense. Nobody’s interested in addressing the real and direct harm that Meta has perpetrated on Americans by delivering IMs to cops so they can imprison women seeking healthcare.
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Tiny Timbs posted:I don’t expect it to be immortal, it’s just that it’s my source of short videos of women with big naturals giving me home DIY tips and I’d hate to see it go because of a combination of Meta lobbying a competitor out of existence and right wing nonsense. Never forget what they took from you.
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Raenir Salazar posted:We absolutely do and should debate this at every juncture, you have active leftists on youtube like Keemstar who are self-described "Maga Communists" and Fascists with Socialist Characteristics like Luna Oi who are just as bad on trans and lbgtq+ issues as any fascist; if leftist advocacy results in a Soviet Russia situation where you had the Bolsheviks taking power away from other leftists like the Mensheviks and then after that Stalin replacing Lenin and cracking down on LBGTQ rights, that's basically just as bad as fascists taking power if these people get anywhere near to power they will seize it and attempt to remake society according to bigoted whims; so we absolutely need to be vigorous and closely scrutinize such claims about leftist advocacy being taken for granted as being "good" at combating fascism when nearly every practical example has turned de facto fascist. MAGA Communists have very, very little cache among the broader left (to the point where they are pretty much the only people who consider them to be "left" in any way, shape or form). They're likely not going to get anywhere near power because they are universally regarded as extremely annoying. The notion that 21st-century leftist advocacy in the U.S. could lead to Stalin is absurd on its face; the USSR and Stalin arose out of very specific material and historical conditions (ie: the 19th-century Russian Empire) that 21st-century America could not replicate even if it tried. In the meantime, the vast majority of self-described leftists in the U.S> are committed to not giving an inch on trans rights. Hand-wringing about leftist advocacy as it stands today leading to Stalinism is a waste of time and energy when the left as a whole is extremely far away from the levers of power.
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Tiny Timbs posted:I don’t expect it to be immortal, it’s just that it’s my source of short videos of women with big naturals giving me home DIY tips and I’d hate to see it go because of a combination of Meta lobbying a competitor out of existence and right wing nonsense. Nobody’s interested in addressing the real and direct harm that Meta has perpetrated on Americans by delivering IMs to cops so they can imprison women seeking healthcare. Use IG Reels like an adult.
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I don't have time to read this research right now but it seems pertinent to the convo. TikTok as a Key Platform for Youth Political Expression: Reflecting on the Opportunities and Stakes Involved It's an academic paper published in a journal that cites other research throughout.
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Raenir Salazar posted:We absolutely do and should debate this at every juncture, you have active leftists on youtube like Keemstar who are self-described "Maga Communists" and Fascists with Socialist Characteristics like Luna Oi who are just as bad on trans and lbgtq+ issues as any fascist; if leftist advocacy results in a Soviet Russia situation where you had the Bolsheviks taking power away from other leftists like the Mensheviks and then after that Stalin replacing Lenin and cracking down on LBGTQ rights, that's basically just as bad as fascists taking power if these people get anywhere near to power they will seize it and attempt to remake society according to bigoted whims; so we absolutely need to be vigorous and closely scrutinize such claims about leftist advocacy being taken for granted as being "good" at combating fascism when nearly every practical example has turned de facto fascist. We don't need to take influencers at their word that they are leftists, especially when they're behaving in a manner that is mutually exclusive to leftism, such as attacking marginalized groups. Sorry, are we talking about modern leftism or leftism from a century past?
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Willa Rogers posted:For clarification purposes, pending legislation used as a political strategy may still be discussed here, right? What about the political ramifications of legislation? If discussion remains about that legislation and doesn't veer off into more abstract areas, yes.
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"MAGA Communism" is a hashtag conceived by an annoying guy who wanted attention, not a movement. Confusing the two is frankly stupid.
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Even if TikTok gets banned or whatever, what's stopping someone from setting up TokTik and continuing on I would say the wording of the legislation being used to ban it, which is rather far reaching and absolutely a power we would not want to fall into Republicans' hands. https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/LSB/LSB10942
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getting a tiny tiny bit away from the politicking of TikTok , the fact that information on the current internet is being put into extremely volatile forms that easily blink out of existence or un indexible darknets is just great. e: new things have startup times and network effects. also success is mostly blind luck.
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a self described maga communist is just a fascist, but just slightly more insufferable than the baseline for fascists. the movement may grow to four or five people worldwide by the end of the year. worrying
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Willa Rogers posted:I wasn't making an argument for leftism dominating tiktok but rather presenting the only demographics I was able to find. That’s a bit more of a Democratic lean than the overall US population but not an extreme difference. And yeah leftist != Democrat but the right wingers doing a lot of the scaremongering see them as the same thing. Or claim to. I really do think TikTok is the “best” so far at doing what social media apps do, the good and the bad. The extreme siloing combined with the overall lack of content moderation worries me, but that’s not uniquely a TikTok problem.
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:I really do think TikTok is the “best” so far at doing what social media apps do, the good and the bad yeah if you watch kids with it (especially in earlier cognitive developmental milestones roughly before 12) you realize you're watching the most refined, directly injectable hard drug version of social media we have in widespread circulation
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e: Not sure if Koos's warning applies to this topic so out of caution deleting the post.
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Civilized Fishbot posted:Might be stone cold - a "totally charred human being." https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/19/...%20York%20Times https://twitter.com/eku_adam/status/1781389425538113588 https://twitter.com/itwasDNS/status/1781390503969219054 Other pamphlets recorded near the scene by reporters include "The True History of the World (Haunted Carnival Edition)", "The Assassination of UNC Student Body President Eve Carson by Bill Clinton's right-hand man", and "The fake Israel-Hamas outrage sweeping elite universities". In short, he's a conspiracy nut who should have been locked up to protect himself.
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