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thrawn527: Mar 27, 2004; Thrawn/Pellaeon
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Bright Bart posted:

What makes you think that?

He has a Woody Harrelson thing going on and AI think people might be reading into that that he's a sunna bitch with a heart of gold when really he's just a sunna bitch.

Harold apologists doing overtime to excuse a man who did the things we see him do.

The pre-fallout Harold might have been a good man, however.

Because he saved a dog, even if it was after he stabbed said dog. Screen writing 101. Shows there's good in him.

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thrawn527: Mar 27, 2004; Thrawn/Pellaeon
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thebardyspoon posted:

I enjoyed most of the individual scenes of this show but the larger plot utterly falls apart if you think about it for a second. So Moldaver is implied to have been in love with Rose, Lucys mom and also wants to finish off her pre war lifes goal of cold fusion, with the latter presumably being more important than honoring the former.

So, using Roses pip-boy, she breaks into Vault 32 where the populace has found out about the vault stuff I guess and killed themselves? Like the one guy has a fork stuck in a toaster and such, nobody else did that. They hid in that vault for awhile pretending everything was good to Vault 33 (while also not cleaning it up so that Norm and Chet can have their spooky discovery adventure that then gets cleaned up in a single night) and then say that they need to trade some supplies and suggest a trade for a husband for Lucy. 31 and 33 have no way of verifying this despite the whole thing being 31 are all secretly management who have a huge amount of leeway, responsibility and power, or at least think they do (this part at least works because Vault-Tec is like that).

Anyway, the reveal in the end of the show is that Moldaver and presumably large amounts of her crew are NCR remnants to some degree, they and she are fine to be murdering the gently caress out of random vault dwellers who aren't management and Lucy, the daughter of someone she seems to have cared alot about being raped (since she's not in full knowledge of the facts that this guy isn't who he says he is) and probably murdered? Since his immediate response to her realising he's irradiated is to try and murder her.

Moldaver is incredibly lucky but doesn't acknowledge it in retrospect that Lucy kills the guy rather than being murdered by him, then when she comes face to face with Lucy, she opts to just kidnap Hank and torture him for the code she needs I guess, and not to take Lucy at that point when that would be very good leverage, she also doesn't kill any of the other vault 31ers there either. She also decides not to pop along to the nearby town the dude carrying her entire lifes work is going to be at a few days later to provide escort for him? She then goes back to her observatory base and waits for..... something? Lucy arriving feels like it should be a huge surprise to her but she acts kinda like it was something she's expecting but that's insane.

I liked the show a lot, but you make very good points.

Capilarean posted:

One thing that's bugging me that hasn't really been mentioned: What's the deal with The Enclave?

They just get unceremoniously plopped into the story with absolutely no explanation or exposition and immediately they are completely forgotten.

Why do they have that cold fusion seed thing but not the means to use it? Why does the scientist guy get free access to it and why's no one from The Enclave looking for him?

I wonder what people who never played Fallout made of that whole thing.

I only ever played a little bit of Fallout 3, and I had no clue what the hell the Enclave's deal was. Weird, oppressive science group is about all I got.

Nancy posted:

The Enclave has to be included because it's a brand feature

Presumably they got or stole the cold fusion mcguffin from Vault-Tec, which is why it needed Vault-Tec authorization to use at the end. Unless I missed it they also don't explain how The Brotherhood knows about it, prob a spy or something.

I think someone with no Fallout knowledge would just see the common TV trope of bad science guys.

Pretty much!

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thrawn527: Mar 27, 2004; Thrawn/Pellaeon
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Arc Hammer posted:

I think that any power armor that appears in the Mojave should be the T51B, the objectively superior suit.

I liked how this show confirmed that the T60 model is just an upgraded T45 complete with all the same lovely faults of the original suit.

Hey, speaking of those faults, if The Ghoul knew about the chest plate fault, and could exploit it so easily, why didn't he waste Maximus easily in Philly, and was just firing like crazy against him?

I know the answer is "main character syndrome", but still.

edit: Maybe he had different bullets in his gun at the time that couldn't pierce that spot. He clearly has different kinds of rounds. Never mind, good enough for me.

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thrawn527: Mar 27, 2004; Thrawn/Pellaeon
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Sharkopath posted:

Yeah in that later scene he purposefully shows off special penetrator rounds that are different from his usual explosive ones he had loaded in the earlier gunfight.

I thought it was a nice touch.

Yeah, I thought of that a moment after I posted. But what the other posters said is also true.

# ¿ Apr 18, 2024 19:32

thrawn527: Mar 27, 2004; Thrawn/Pellaeon
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As for how Vault 32 was cleaned out, I'm going with Vault 31 having more Mr. Handy robots than we saw, and either Overseer deployed them offscreen to take care of it.

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thrawn527: Mar 27, 2004; Thrawn/Pellaeon
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Faucet Drinker posted:

Did I hear yall say Shady Sands was said to blow up in 2077?

I didn't notice until rewatching ep 4 That's when vault 33 was quarantined and no one could be together at the farm. So was that Hank making sure no one could piece together he was headed out of the vault for a bit?

Also I love this show, but after rewatching the first ep again I'm thoroughly confused at what Muldava is doing. Even assuming she's only hired these raiders with the promise of raiding (Inc rape and murder) you still see her with more well trained soldiers cruising through the halls with purpose during the madness. Was she looking for Hank? If so why not grab him when they met at the entrance. If it's the artifact, OK but why take Hank then at the end? Why give him a hostage situation decision of picking the vaulters or Lucy and then do nothing to either but cave in a single tunnel?

Get some food and shelter for a bit before heading back out into the Wastelands? I agree, though, doesn't make a ton of sense, except to set up the reveal in the first episode. As for why she took Hank, she needed a Vault-Tec manager to unlock the cold fusion mumbo jumbo thing.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2024 21:17

thrawn527: Mar 27, 2004; Thrawn/Pellaeon
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Faucet Drinker posted:

Oh yeah her taking Hank makes sense, and presumably was her only goal --maybe she was also checking to see of Hank somehow got his hands on it? None of this helps my confusion with the hostage situation that didn't involve either of the proposed options (them or her)

My disbelief is easily suspended so it's not an issue, but I was really hoping a rewatch was going to help and not raise even further questions
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Yeah the hostage situation doesn't really make sense. My only thinking is that she didn't expect Hank to lock Lucy in a room, and when he did, she basically rolled her eyes and said, "Fine" and moved on. But that's not particularly satisfying.

Or maybe she thought the bomb would kill them, but then why give them the warning? Eh, whatever.

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thrawn527: Mar 27, 2004; Thrawn/Pellaeon
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At the time I thought it was Norm or Steph. But the more I think about it, I think it must be Betty. Wrapping up loose ends before sending people off to their new Vault. A true restart, like a good middle manager would do. And she would be the most likely to blame it on the desk lady, which I originally took as an unfortunate happenstance based on her job.

Yeah, Betty murdered them. The earlier conversation between Norm and Steph was just a red herring.

edit: Also, I only just realized that the actress who played Betty played Blind Al in the Deadpool movies. I feel stupid.

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thrawn527: Mar 27, 2004; Thrawn/Pellaeon
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Mokotow posted:

The impact this show has is amazing, BBC news had a 10-minute piece about Fallout London being delayed because Bethesda did not let the total conversion authors know early about the surprise Fallout 4 high rez patch that screwed up their build.

I only played a little of Fallout 3, this is the first I've heard of Fallout London. I just googled it and it looks like it's just a mod? It's not canon, I assume?

What would an official Fallout game set in Europe look like, I wonder? I've been trying to find info on what the rest of the world is like, and can't find much. I know a few people (somehow?) made it to America from Europe, and that some of Europe ended up in their own war against the Middle East, I think? So they're probably also screwed. China is presumably bombed out by the U.S., and I'm going to assume Russia along with them due to either alliances or China taking them over. How's Africa doing? Would they have been wrapped up in the Europe vs. Middle East war somehow? I also know there's a shot in one game that shows the planet from...a space station, or a space ship, or something? And the whole planet seems generally puke green and screwed from the sheer amount of bombs dropped, so I know no where is truly "safe". Is Australia doing its Mad Max thing?

I know this is all hypothetical, because I don't think they've really said. And an official game probably would never take place outside of the U.S. because, as far as we know, Vault-Tec only made Vaults in the U.S., and leaving the Vaults behind would fundamentally change the plot too much. But I could see a game making a twist where Vault-Tec had some Vaults secretly created somewhere else where no one was expecting them. But I'm saying this as someone who has come to the plot super late.

(As you can see, while I've barely played the games, I've gotten a little too into videos about the lore of Fallout since the show came out. Fascinating world.)

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thrawn527: Mar 27, 2004; Thrawn/Pellaeon
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dr_rat posted:

No, no, no, that's not how you run a streaming service, if a show is good and insanely popular, you need to cancel that sucker as soon as possibly, obviously!

It's not like this is a Zaslav property.

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