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Hasturtium posted:It’s gotta suck being a motherboard maker, because outside of your spec sheet the only way to differentiate your product meaningfully from your competitors is to play catty-corner games with electrical tolerances to juice out extra performance. And for a while that worked, but CPUs are being built to such increasingly rigid tolerances that those old tricks increasingly impede system stability or even impact component lifespan. I had a feeling there might be a repeat of the AMD issue from last year that was killing some percentage of x3D chips, and while this seems less serious the old “throw amps at the problem” paradigm needs to die. They just need to put cute cats or animals or mecha waifus on the motherboards to differentiate them!
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Hasturtium posted:It’s gotta suck being a motherboard maker, because outside of your spec sheet the only way to differentiate your product meaningfully from your competitors is to play catty-corner games with electrical tolerances to juice out extra performance. And for a while that worked, but CPUs are being built to such increasingly rigid tolerances that those old tricks increasingly impede system stability or even impact component lifespan. I had a feeling there might be a repeat of the AMD issue from last year that was killing some percentage of x3D chips, and while this seems less serious the old “throw amps at the problem” paradigm needs to die. the power delivery is also one place they cut corners to save a buck for cheaper boards and is now becoming a problem even for the non-unlocked/non-overclocker CPUs
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FuturePastNow posted:the power delivery is also one place they cut corners to save a buck for cheaper boards and is now becoming a problem even for the non-unlocked/non-overclocker CPUs i bet you watched HUBs new vid on B650M AM5 boards toady 
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Canned Sunshine posted:They just need to put cute cats or animals or mecha waifus on the motherboards to differentiate them! Given that tempered glass is the latest phase of inescapable gamer tat infecting broader PC aesthetics this is inevitable. For what it’s worth I really liked the original Yeston Cute Pet, but cherry blossoms or a mech painted on an oversized stunt gently caress heatsink doesn’t do it for me. FuturePastNow posted:the power delivery is also one place they cut corners to save a buck for cheaper boards and is now becoming a problem even for the non-unlocked/non-overclocker CPUs Yeah, between the “juice the CPUs until just before they hit the Tjunction limit” behavior being imposed by default and the way even chips advertised as 65W like to periodically bounce up to levels we bitched about on AMD FX parts a decade ago, that was also inevitable. I guess I’m glad they haven’t tried to bring quad-channel memory controllers to consumer parts now, I wouldn’t trust them not to gently caress that up too. Hasturtium fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Apr 13, 2024 |
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Oh my they're finally fixing the checkerboard issue in Chrome! 
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People demand more rgb and metal covers and those costs have to come from somewhere (not by decreasing the mobo price though)
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The Asus Sonic motherboards are pretty cool and I wish that kind of thing happened more often outside of limited edition things.
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I miss green pcbs and beige cases.
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LightRailTycoon posted:I miss green pcbs and beige cases. Do you smoke? That is why they were beige.
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They were definitely beige fresh from the box
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Everything started out as an off-white beige that turned either orange or brown depending on how much UV light or smoke touched it
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It's like the restaurants in the 70s. Nobody liked the beige and the amber lighting but all that smoke would make it that way unless it started beige to begin with.
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My beige inwin full tower will be with me until the day I die and if something manages to kill it before then I have an identical spare
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I lament the death of cases that can be easily oriented horizontally. I know there are a few out there (I've got a NESO P1 still in a box) but I'd love for a first-tier maker to make one.
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Silverstone is a top tier case manufacturer, and they still have a wide range of desktop choices. Lots focused on htpc styling, but not exclusively.
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Gwaihir posted:Silverstone is a top tier case manufacturer, and they still have a wide range of desktop choices. Lots focused on htpc styling, but not exclusively. Yeah, I'm keeping an eye out - none of their HTPC offerings fit what I want to do*, and Corsair gave up on the Air 540-style design a while ago. The closest thing they've put out since was one of those maddening "let's put glass in front of the fan intake" designs. Massive knockoff that it is, the NESO P1 is the only case out there that's an O11 copy that can be horizontally oriented. * I still like massive baby-head-sized HSFs over AIOs, so I need the height, and I like the idea of the weight of them being more evenly distributed by the case instead of imparting shear force on the board over time. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Apr 15, 2024 |
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i've tried a few horizontal cases and they've been universally awful. Thermals are poo poo, they take up an enormous amount of space and because they're a gimmick case building in them is terrible. I have one left that the kids use and it bluescreens constantly due to overheating. Same tower coolers as the vertical cases, similar size/number of fans, just terrible airflow anyway.
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Hasturtium posted:It’s gotta suck being a motherboard maker, because outside of your spec sheet the only way to differentiate your product meaningfully from your competitors is to play catty-corner games with electrical tolerances to juice out extra performance. And for a while that worked, but CPUs are being built to such increasingly rigid tolerances that those old tricks increasingly impede system stability or even impact component lifespan. I had a feeling there might be a repeat of the AMD issue from last year that was killing some percentage of x3D chips, and while this seems less serious the old “throw amps at the problem” paradigm needs to die. Other things I look for (but don't always get): -Not the Intel ethernet that is finicky -Optical output -Aluminum heatsinks for the M.2 slots -8 layer PCBs and at least 12+2 power stages -Quality RAM traces that support future faster speeds -Well thought out placement and labeling for connectors -7seg display None of these seem particularly difficult to implement, but there is still room for differentiation. I agree it's harder than in the Athlon days but consistent performance is better for the consumer.
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7 segment displays seems like it should be an easy way to differentiate, given how relatively inexpensive it is and how few (none?) of the low-to-midrange boards have it these days.
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goons that have an external port 80 card sitting in a drawer somewhere say what’s up
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WhyteRyce posted:goons that have an external port 80 card sitting in a drawer somewhere say what’s up what's up not sure where it is, but it's somewhere in here
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FuturePastNow posted:the power delivery is also one place they cut corners to save a buck for cheaper boards and is now becoming a problem even for the non-unlocked/non-overclocker CPUs FuturePastNow posted:the power delivery is also one place they cut corners to save a buck FuturePastNow posted:power delivery
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u converted that post into a laugh
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WhyteRyce posted:goons that have an external port 80 card sitting in a drawer somewhere say what’s up I think it’s hidden under the Y2K bios-fix card.
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Worf posted:u
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WhyteRyce posted:goons that have an external port 80 card sitting in a drawer somewhere say what’s up 80 column card? 64k -> 128k? Must be what you meant right? Am I just old?
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All these kids calling themselves engineers who never had to troubleshoot and manually resolve an IRQ conflict 
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Plug N Pray 
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Memories of my engineer neighbor who had a 486 beige box in the mid-90s, and the piece of paper he kept in a plastic sleeve next to it with every single IRQ, DMA channel, and applicable memory range carefully written down next to each named piece of hardware in the thing. He also kept tables of each one with used device resources blacked out, so he could see at a glance what was free to save himself hassle if he upgraded in the future. I admired his meticulousness, and missed him after he moved away. Plug ‘n Pray was real.
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Hasturtium posted:Memories of my engineer neighbor who had a 486 beige box in the mid-90s, and the piece of paper he kept in a plastic sleeve next to it with every single IRQ, DMA channel, and applicable memory range carefully written down next to each named piece of hardware in the thing. He also kept tables of each one with used device resources blacked out, so he could see at a glance what was free to save himself hassle if he upgraded in the future. I admired his meticulousness, and missed him after he moved away. I wasn’t this smart as a kid so I would just keep increasing the IRQ/DMA settings one at a time on the fuckin boot disk until the goddamn sound blaster would work again. I swear I had a cursed 486 that would just randomly reset the IRQ settings too.
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Cleuseau Remos posted:80 column card? 64k -> 128k? Must be what you meant right? Am I just old? port 80 is referring to x86 assembly, there's "in" and "out" instructions that just send an register value to a "port" for some i/o device a port 80 "card" has two 7-segment displays that show one byte of whatever was last written to port 80 for bringup or any other display-less environment, it's easy to track how far you've progressed. e.g. you'd write a 0x01 after doing some initial setup after the reset vector, then 0x02 means you got the next part set up, you'll see it hang if there's some problem so, in practice, it's always 0x25 for the loving MRC
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My ASUS ROG STRIX Z790-A GAMING WIFI II just had a firmware update out today with a fix for that. The update introduces the Intel Baseline Profile option, allowing users to revert to Intel factory default settings for basic functionality, lower power limits, and improving stability in certain games. I'm sure other MB manufacturers will be rolling out their updates soon if they haven't already. Turmoil fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Apr 19, 2024 |
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