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eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

minidracula posted:

if I have to use containers for something (ugh), podman is the Docker-clone I should/ought to be using instead of actual Docker, right?

this is what I've somewhat intuited via osmosis semi-lately. is it correct?

podman is the Linux container system created by the company that invented containers in the 1960s-70s

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eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Bloody posted:

feels like table stakes for a lang ityool2024

it was table stakes for a language once the Symbolics and LMI versions of the LM-2 and the Xerox 8010 shipped with ZetaLisp and Smalltalk/InterLisp-D respectively in 1981

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eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Xarn posted:

CGo is nice until you try doing something WeIrD like passing around array over 2GB and it silently craps out.

Or you try using it on Windows and lol, lmao, MSVC is not supported.

despite my severe dislike for and cringing at go, I suspect based on long experience that this is more of an MSVC than a go problem

remember that MSVC pretended C ended with C89 for decades and told people to �just use C++� if they wanted any C99 feature (most of which other compilers started supporting in 1993, which is in fact what led to C99)

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Ralith: Jan 12, 2011; I see a ship in the harbor
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Joe Chip posted:

the only part i thought was neat was the c ffi implementation (cgo) since it meant i could use crusty old (dependable, well-tested, well-supported) libraries.

go ffi is weirdly bad, I forget the details but there's a ton of extra runtime work for every foreign call

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Joe Chip: Jan 4, 2014

oh no question it's awful. it's easy enough to use at a basic level and go packages are so bad it was nice to have an escape hatch if needed. a few things off the top of my head that sucked about it:

1. anything with multithreading inside the library is a headache. i didn't have time to dig into this and for our application forcing the library to use a single thread was fine
2. hope you're not using alpine because you will find a lot of fun problems with musl. tbf this is probably more musl's fault but it was annoying to deal with (by switching to debian/glibc lol)
3. tons of explicit casting back and forth, especially if you need to use a void*

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Plorkyeran: Mar 22, 2007; To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

eschaton posted:

despite my severe dislike for and cringing at go, I suspect based on long experience that this is more of an MSVC than a go problem

remember that MSVC pretended C ended with C89 for decades and told people to �just use C++� if they wanted any C99 feature (most of which other compilers started supporting in 1993, which is in fact what led to C99)

cgo is of the opinion that gcc is the only compiler that exists and happens to support clang only because clang is gcc-compatible. cl has different command-line flags from gcc and that's too difficult of a technical problem for them to solve.

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Athas: Aug 6, 2007; fuck that joker

Doesn't POSIX specify C compiler options? Seems like a bug in MSVC if it does not implement the POSIX standard correctly. (I know very little about POSIX.)

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Sapozhnik: Jan 2, 2005; Nap Ghost

cc -c -I. -o fart.o fart.c
cc -Lcircus -lclowns -o fart fart.o

is probably about the extent of it, and I think msvc supports that. MS is pretty good about supporting uselessly underspecified standards to the letter and then being as different from other implementations as possible in every other respect

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Kazinsal: Dec 13, 2011

meanwhile, on gcc, -fms-extensions is one of my favourite nasty CFLAGS to use

god I love that dirty fuckin poo poo. all aboard the transparent casting and pseudo-inheritance train, toot toot :getin:

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Xarn: Jun 26, 2015

Plorkyeran posted:

cgo is of the opinion that gcc is the only compiler that exists and happens to support clang only because clang is gcc-compatible. cl has different command-line flags from gcc and that's too difficult of a technical problem for them to solve.

Go is all about making things simple for the implementors and screw the users, so at least it is on brand.

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Cybernetic Vermin: Apr 18, 2005

meanwhile we got zig out there simply transparently bundling a full clang cross-compiling setup. which is slightly bonkers but makes for a real straightforward c compat story.

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eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Plorkyeran posted:

cgo is of the opinion that gcc is the only compiler that exists and happens to support clang only because clang is gcc-compatible. cl has different command-line flags from gcc and that's too difficult of a technical problem for them to solve.

oh

oh gods

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