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So before this thread is closed I have one more thing to say about the main game: The ripped off the ending for the last loving game. I'm not kidding look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJfVyvUBp-U&t=415s and https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=wXygbdEjbRE#t=351 The secondary male lead leaves; in 4 the parting is amicable with Dante entrusing Nero with Yamato and Nero asking Dante if they'll ever see each other again and in DMC the parting has a clear tension with Vergil spouting off some stupid pseudo-Shakespearean nonsense that no one will ever really say, then the male lead expresses concerns regarding his humanity and is counsoled by the love interest end credits. It's just loving lazy. EDIT: New page: Bumfluff posted:(Last) Update! David D. Davidson fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Well, I won't lie, about thirty minutes in, I was browsing the internet and skipped to the last ten minutes. The gameplay looked more interesting at least, but yeah, it's DmC.
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# ? Jun 18, 2014 05:21 |
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Since you mentioned Watchdogs not living up to the hype I'll leave these links. http://wccftech.com/e3-2012-graphics-watch-dogs-deliberately-turned-off-pc-next-gen/ http://www.reddit.com/r/watch_dogs/comments/26fji7/get_rid_of_ultrasetting_stuttering_by_adding/ Both of these help the game a lot and turning on the E3 graphics they DISABLED but are still in the game actually seems to make the game run better. The only issue with 'TheWorse' mod right now is that its not strictly finished so he's not made a way to choose which options are on yet meaning you have overwhelming amounts of DOF. In regards to the game I'm glad your playing it not me. DMC 3 made me want to play it just watching it and how awesome it looked. DMC 4 made me want to play it because Dante. This game just makes me want to slap the people that thought this was a improvement over old Dante.....also the ones that compared him to gay Cowboys when in the picture they used he looks MASSIVELY out of place.
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# ? Jun 18, 2014 06:46 |
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The discussion of DLC=expansion is wrong since there are games that are pre-installed with locked DLC that you have to pay extra to use it. I think Metro LL has Ranger mode behind a paywall, as an example. You can fiddle with the files and unlock it. I go with Money Sink Content. I don't mind seeing a close-up of Vergil rather than the smile of Dante during those loading scenes. Scalding Coffee fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Jun 18, 2014 |
# ? Jun 18, 2014 07:57 |
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Since you mentioned it, I'll say that I don't think it's fair to call Dead Island: Epidemic a MOBA; the only things it really shares with the genre are quick levels and "ultimate" abilities, it's a lot closer to a normal ARPG otherwise. Heck, one game mode is basically like running quick dungeons in Diablo, and the PVP mode doesn't follow a traditional MOBA structure at all. So, if you haven't gifted that key away or anything, you should maybe give it a go?
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# ? Jun 18, 2014 08:21 |
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With the LP over, I have to say I don't think I've ever seen so little respect given to an OP. Thank you Bumbluff, for showing this game off, and I look forward to following your next LP.
Next-Jin Engine fucked around with this message at 09:55 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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To be fair actually liking the game can act as waving a red cloth on a charging goon.
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# ? Jun 18, 2014 11:10 |
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Like I promised, let me breakdown Vergil's moves and combat in DmC:quote:VERGIL'S DOWNFALL I'll put up the second part later, since I gotta relax after work, heh. toasterwarrior fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Jun 18, 2014 |
# ? Jun 18, 2014 13:41 |
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Bumfluff posted:(Last) Update! Do you get a style boost for allowing Vergil to sheathe his sword after a combo? EDIT Also thanks for the LP, gently caress Yeah. Brutakas fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Jun 18, 2014 |
# ? Jun 18, 2014 14:23 |
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Vergil's moveset was actually pretty good once you unlock everything, the problem is that it's building off the DmC combat engine which is just not that great for in depth mechanics. It's fine for playing the game on the normal difficulty, but once they ratchet up the enemy AI and bring it more color coded enemies, all the problems become really obvious. The inability to lock on, the 30 FPS, and just the general clunky feel of Unreal really bring down the experience.
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# ? Jun 18, 2014 14:33 |
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Part deux:quote:VERGIL'S DOWNFALL And done! Thanks for the LP, Bumfluff and Chaostime! toasterwarrior fucked around with this message at 15:07 on Jun 18, 2014 |
# ? Jun 18, 2014 15:01 |
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Next-Jin Engine posted:With the LP over, I have to say I don't think I've ever seen so little respect given to an OP. Thank you Bumbluff, for showing this game off, and I look forward to following your next LP. Y'know, you're right. Just because the game isn't particularly worth talking about, doesn't mean I can't wish the LPers well after they've suffered through it. So, thanks Bumfluff and Chaostime for putting up with the artistic vision of DmC to deliver it to us with commentary worth listening to.
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# ? Jun 18, 2014 15:29 |
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See, that DLC is a drat sight better than pretty much everything we got in the main game. Thanks a whole bunch for doing this LP for us, Bumfluff.
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# ? Jun 18, 2014 15:36 |
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It sounds like if they'd made Dante's move set more like Virgil's with the things like Just Frames and more fluidity the gameplay would be significantly improved. It's like, on the one hand you have Dante with his slow rear end clumsy but fully fleshed out moveset and then you have Virgil with his tight, fast, flexibile but totally unfinished moveset. Goddamnit DmC
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# ? Jun 18, 2014 17:33 |
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See, I will say this for Ninja Theory: for all of their needless antagonizing of the old guard they DID listen to the fans. They tweaked the scoring system, dialed back Dante from his pure grunge aesthetic to a compromise, and the Vergil DLC shows that they are starting to really get some of the nuances of the older games and are willing to learn from their mistakes (see the lack of colour-coded enemies as an example). If they make a sequel I honestly think it would be an honest-to-God good game instead of just sort of mediocre (provided they locked Taneem in a shed whenever they had to do PR. Or just worked on it without him knowing, ideally).Of course that will never happen thanks to the ridiculously bungled and no doubt expensive pre-release farce that this game had, but credit where it is due; if they swallowed their pride and fixed up some technical aspects like Lock-on and taunting and maybe keep Vergil's one weapon with three stances thing (and then have that with two or three weapons- Devil May Cry 1 and 4 got away with only two and three weapons and I think it was to their benefit) and made a story with a healthy respect with the previous games but a desire to be its own thing it could be great. For my other two wishes I would like a puppy and a career as a best-selling novelist. e: that said, let me talk about my favourite mistep with the writing in the dlc (since the others are moot to talk about being so self evident- the hell was up with Hollow Vergil anyway? Did Vergil outevil his evil self? Did he eat some shlub demon, since the other hollows were clearly trying to screw with him? If it is his evil self, why did subjugating him make him more evil?); it's hinted that Eva is the real deal when Vergil meets her and needlessly tells her how incredibly evil he is despite the fact that he didn't actually kill Dante and blah blah blah. However, I do like how in the depths of him being an evil sadistic prick he still saves her from eternal torment, basically doing the most heroic thing that he did in the base game (or that Dante did, frankly). ManlyGrunting fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Neruz posted:It's like, on the one hand you have Dante with his slow rear end clumsy but fully fleshed out moveset and then you have Virgil with his tight, fast, flexibile but totally unfinished moveset. They actually expanded on his moveset somewhat (at least in regards to what he does in DMC3), even if only to accomadate the angel/demon stuff. They did quite a good job at carrying over pretty much all his moves; it's that he lacks the precision needed to make them on the same level. Not that this is a complaint, more than an observation, they made his moves more "showey" as opposed to his more focused utilitarian style from DMC3. Talking about the story is pointless really; same problems as the main game - a confusing clusterfuck of random poo poo happening with no rhyme or reason. With the added downside of not being able to fight boss-Kat and Dante. Thanks for the LP, Bumfluff and Chaostime! It's been some entertaining commentary. [e]: ManlyGrunting posted:See, I will say this for Ninja Theory: for all of their needless antagonizing of the old guard they DID listen to the fans. They tweaked the scoring system, dialed back Dante from his pure grunge aesthetic to a compromise, and the Vergil DLC shows that they are starting to really get some of the nuances of the older games and are willing to learn from their mistakes (see the lack of colour-coded enemies as an example). Yeah, that's true. But it does sorta show just how pointless the reboot (and giving it to another dev) was in the first place, if they're essentially going "Hey look! We listened! We can make it almost as good as the regular games, by minimising our inclusions, and copying from the standard series!". But c'est la vie. [e2]: Minor trivia (though those that played the other DMCs will know it) Vergil's "Power...I need more power" line is, what he says in DMC3. It pretty much sums him up in that game. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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I'm sure the current superpower social media network of Twitter will keep humanity safe once Dante goes back to not giving a poo poo about anything. But I can only imagine what sort of horrible sequel Ninja Theory could have written for a continuation of DmC. Filled with moments of absolute heartless player dissonance to the background slaughter of mankind ripped right out of God of War, while you save maybe 3 important characters through out the WAR AGAINST THE DEMONS storyline. As for the Virgil DLC, its still too little too late in trying to shake up what they made with a slightly different playstyle. The new addition of uncolored animated storyboard art makes it look incredibly unfinished. Like they didn't have the money to use the same graphics system for everything yet managed to at least animate the parts that are player controlled. Which fits with an outside narrative that this is a slightly bitter/humble moment of NT playing a swan song for DmC, but god help the people who try to make sense of Virgil's "corruption" into an even bigger rear end in a top hat that totally into leading demons now.
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# ? Jun 18, 2014 20:54 |
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Let me get this straight. So he was confronted to how much of a dick he's been and so his thought here is "I'll be more of a dick!" That's pretty deep characterization right there. I mean like I can believe someone becoming more of a dick, but when they're shown how much in the wrong they've been and just decide well I'll just be more of one isn't really convincing at all. It wouldn't be so bad as to show his own concern over the whole ordeal when originally confronted with it.
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# ? Jun 19, 2014 15:46 |
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Vergil already wears a stupid fedora, it doesn't surprise me that he also falls into the geek fallacy of doubling down on his rear end in a top hat-ness and selfishness when confronted with it.
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# ? Jun 19, 2014 16:07 |
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notZaar posted:Vergil already wears a stupid fedora, it doesn't surprise me that he also falls into the geek fallacy of doubling down on his rear end in a top hat-ness and selfishness when confronted with it. But like I might of miss understood it when I saw it, but it looked like he legit regretted being an rear end in a top hat at first then it seems like the switch happened at no reason.
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# ? Jun 19, 2014 16:18 |
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Whelp, It's certainly been a ride. And I'm so loving done with this game its not even funny, and I didn't even play it. Thanks Marc "Insert Middle Name" Wesley for putting up with that crap so that I could make fun of your gameplay abilities and talk about random crap with you. I wonder what we'll do next...
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# ? Jun 21, 2014 02:52 |
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You could do DMC3 to see how it's done right.
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# ? Jun 21, 2014 03:01 |
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You know that wasn't the worst thing I've ever seen, like Bumfluff said it is boring to watch but I imagine it being fun to play. I do also like parts of the art style and also that terrible writing was terribly entertaining to me. The Succubus and Dante screaming "gently caress you" back and forth is still the funniest thing I've seen in gaming. I never played a Devil May Cry game so I have no emotional attachment to the series, I guess that's why I have wrong opinions about it.
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# ? Jun 21, 2014 16:54 |
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As other people have said, it's not that it's a bad game, but the DMC name immediately compares it to the some of the absolute best games in the genre, and DmC just doesn't hold up. Presumably they wanted more people who hadn't played Devil May Cry to play this, in which case why the hell did they call it Devil May Cry?
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# ? Jun 21, 2014 16:59 |
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Wait, you don't get to fight Dante? Why the hell not?
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# ? Jun 22, 2014 17:12 |
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Nihilarian posted:Wait, you don't get to fight Dante? It's a bad game. C'mon, start paying attention.
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# ? Jun 22, 2014 18:27 |
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Play DMC4 if you want to fight Dante (twice even). He is hard as hell.
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# ? Jun 22, 2014 19:11 |
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Mister Xenophobe posted:It's a bad game. C'mon, start paying attention. I think the proper answer is gently caress YOU.
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# ? Jun 22, 2014 19:17 |
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Iretep posted:I think the proper answer is gently caress YOU. gently caress YOU!
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# ? Jun 22, 2014 19:48 |
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Mister Xenophobe posted:gently caress YOU! gently caress YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU
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# ? Jun 23, 2014 01:41 |
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From when Steam introduced tagging: This resulted in a brief moment where gently caress you was a genre(top left):
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# ? Jun 23, 2014 05:23 |
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"Not Metal Gear Rising" should be its own genre.
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# ? Jun 26, 2014 07:35 |
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Here are the best two tags currently up: Next-Jin Engine fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Jun 26, 2014 |
# ? Jun 26, 2014 07:46 |
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Steam tags are pretty great, while I understand why they moderate them to make sure that vulgar tags don't hang around I do kind of wish they'd leave the occasional one around for funsies. Best thing about steam tags tho is they are usually actually accurate, or at least funny.
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# ? Jun 26, 2014 11:48 |
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They do have issues with tags hurting the diva devs feelings and other weird censorship. There was a mad burn in the Splatterhouse thread where Rick and West exchanged gently caress yous. I thought of this discussion.
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# ? Jun 26, 2014 15:47 |
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Scalding Coffee posted:They do have issues with tags hurting the diva devs feelings and other weird censorship. As far as I am concerned this is A Good Thing. Diva devs need to be exposed to reality every once in awhile so they don't end up like Mecron and become immune to reality due to having their head shoved so far up their own rear end that they can see out their mouth.
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# ? Jun 27, 2014 02:09 |
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Aw. I was expecting a mirror final boss fight against Dante. I suppose Hollow Virgil fills that role, but ehhhhhhh.
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# ? Jul 3, 2014 21:51 |
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Glazius posted:Aw. I was expecting a mirror final boss fight against Dante. I suppose Hollow Virgil fills that role, but ehhhhhhh. DmC: ehhhhhhh
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