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GorfZaplen posted:Have you already forgotten? That tag is what propelled Dandy and Johnny to form the greatest band in the universe. Queen?
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I'm really late to the party but I just finally saw the ending of the show. It was absolutely perfect in every way. I love that ultimately the entire show is basically about Taoist philosophy, which Dandy follows perfectly, and the individual episodes each explicitly explore various aspects of it. Seriously, if you're not familiar then just start reading the wikipedia page on Taoism and it'll become quickly clear how many ways there are in which the show is made to reflect it: quote:Tao (Chinese: 道; pinyin: dào) literally means "way", but can also be interpreted as road, channel, path, doctrine, or line.[45] In Taoism, it is "the One, which is natural, spontaneous, eternal, nameless, and indescribable. It is at once the beginning of all things and the way in which all things pursue their course."[46] It has variously been denoted as the "flow of the universe",[47] a "conceptually necessary ontological ground",[48] or a demonstration of nature.[49] The Tao also is something that individuals can find immanent in themselves.[50] I mean these ones are fairly obvious; Dandy constantly espouses his philosophy of going with the flow and trusting that things will just work out and he exercises it in pretty much every episode. He also very strongly follows a doctrine of "action without intent" and explicitly chooses not to think before acting, and Dandy is shown to value simplicity and, above all, the simple things in life. There's a huge recurring motif of strings, lines, and paths throughout the series, as well as a major water and "flow" motif (surfing, boats, fishing, etc). Commonly the episode plots revolve around something in the world that is throwing things out of a balance that needs to be restored, and often the solution to their problems involves a regression back to a natural state (a particularly good example is the plant episode, for instance). quote:The Taoist Three Treasures or Three Jewels (simplified Chinese: 三宝; traditional Chinese: 三寶; pinyin: sānbǎo) comprise the basic virtues of ci (Chinese: 慈; pinyin: cí, usually translated as compassion), jian (Chinese: 俭; pinyin: jiǎn, usually translated as moderation), and bugan wei tianxia xian (Chinese: 不敢为天下先; pinyin: bùgǎn wéi tiānxià xiān, literally "not daring to act as first under the heavens", but usually translated as humility). You could argue that the three main characters are supposed to demonstrate one of each of these virtues: Meow as being representative of compassion, QT as being representative of moderation, and as for "not daring to act as first under the heavens", well I think that one would be pretty obvious :P. quote:Taoist cosmology is based on the School of Yin Yang[25] which was headed by Zou Yan (305 BCE – 240 BCE). The school's tenets harmonized the concepts of the Wu Xing (Five Phases) and yin and yang. In this spirit, the universe is seen as being in a constant process of re-creating itself, as everything that exists is a mere aspect of qi, which, "condensed, becomes life; diluted, it is indefinite potential".[67] Qi is in a perpetual transformation between its condensed and diluted state.[68] These two different states of qi, on the other hand, are embodiments of the abstract entities of yin and yang,[68] two complementary extremes that constantly play against and with each other and cannot exist without the other.[69] Yin and yang is everywhere in the series; on top of the places where the symbol appears pretty explicitly like in the two dragons that appear at the end, you see a constant recurring motif of two forces locked in a struggle/balance. For instance, the two warring empires that hold each other in check, or the two alien races fighting over vests and undies, or the two brothers who kept their machine planet from breaking apart, or the episodes where Dandy is pitted directly against a foil (like in the racing, rock band, and dancing episodes). And, of course, in the eternal struggle between boobs and asses (would it maybe be stretching it a bit far to note that a single bare breast almost has the appearance of one half of a yin yang?). It's also obvious that the concept of death and rebirth is a huge theme of the show, as is the concept of condensing and expanding (singularities, black holes, etc). I could seriously go on and on; I almost want to write a big essay and go through each episode and expand upon how it recapitulates Taoist philosophy in one way or another. Winky fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Jan 13, 2015 |
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Winky posted:I'm really late to the party but I just finally saw the ending of the show. It was absolutely perfect in every way. Please do that.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 14:00 |
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Actually I'm pretty sure the show is just there so Yutapon can flexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx hella hard and make every other animator look bad tbh.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 14:21 |
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Uznare posted:Actually I'm pretty sure the show is just there so Yutapon can flexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx hella hard and make every other animator look bad tbh. In the part immediately following this the two of them actually literally turn into a yin yang :P
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 14:26 |
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:Please do that. Yes please do.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 15:17 |
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For another Taoist work in the same vein I'd compare Space Dandy with The Big Lebowski, and I think there's a lot of great comparisons between them. They're both sort of silly absurdist comedies that belie a fair amount of philosophical depth (the structure works really well for Taoist parables). In each you see a trinity of main characters reflecting The Three Pure Ones. Both have a story structure heavily emphasizing "action without action", and the general life philosophies of Dandy and The Dude are both extremely similar, etc.
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# ? Jan 13, 2015 22:36 |
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Winky posted:I could seriously go on and on; I almost want to write a big essay and go through each episode and expand upon how it recapitulates Taoist philosophy in one way or another. Hi, hello, your post is good, please go on and on. Seriously, that was really interesting.
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# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:01 |
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magic mountain posted:Hi, hello, your post is good, please go on and on. Seriously, that was really interesting. I agree, I would love to hear more. It's a pretty fascinating reading of one my favorite anime series.
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# ? Jan 14, 2015 04:05 |
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I'll preface this by saying that I'm definitely not any kind of expert on Taoism: I've just read The Tao of Pooh and a little of the Tao Te Ching. The parallels are so strong, though, that I think it was intended to be obvious to someone with a light cultural familiarity with these things that Dandy is more or less living his life by them. I actually also ought to point out that Dandy's tag (the one he always wears and holds up in the end when he rejects becoming God) is from Naritasan, which is actually a Buddhist temple, so it's possible that I'm misreading his personal philosophy as Taoist when it's actually intended to be Buddhist. It's also possible that maybe the things I'm picking up on are areas where Taoism and the Buddhism practiced at Naritasan intersect? (It's also possible that Dandy's tag is just meant to be more of a Japanese cultural thing than to indicate anything specific about his philosophy). At any rate, I think it's pretty easy to tell that Taoist symbolism is huge in the series, and in Watanabe's other works (Cowboy Bebop and Samurai Champloo particularly) Taoism actually shows up quite a lot; the most blatant example off the top of my head is the CB episode Boogie Woogie Feng Shui, which is explicitly about it. Watanabe's works are also often very focused on the intersection of different cultures (a large part of why his works go over so well with Western audiences), and there's a significant intersection between the philosophy of Taoism and of Hawaiian surfer culture, which is referenced heavily throughout the show (the Aloha Oe, Dandy's surfing, hula girls and floral prints, etc). Anyway, to explain how Dandy's attitude is fundamentally Taoist, this is an except from Tao of Pooh that explains the concept of Wu Wei pretty succinctly: quote:When we learn to work with our own Inner Nature, and with the natural laws operating around us, we reach the level of Wu Wei. Then we work with the natural order of things and operate on the principle of minimal effort. Since the natural world follows that principle, it does not make mistakes. Mistakes are made–or imagined–by man, the creature with the overloaded Brain who separates himself from the supporting network of natural laws by interfering and trying too hard. If you look at what Dandy says and does throughout the series, he pretty explicitly espouses this philosophy over and over again. Just look at his speech in the first episode: "When you're swimming against a raging current, what's the point? What good is it to swim fruitlessly against the flow? If you try to do it, you'll just end up drowning. Everything about it is pointless! Living by going with the flow- that's what I'm all about, baby!". The show presents it in an ironic manner as though Dandy is full of hot air, but the larger point of the series is to show you that Dandy was essentially right the entire time; when he "goes with the flow" things ultimately work out the way that they were supposed to, not always to his own personal benefit but on a cosmic scale that he can't even understand. Repeatedly we see that whenever the crew attempts to explicitly search for a rare alien they never find one (or, at least, they never get them back to the registration center), but when they're trying to do something else rare aliens just fall into their laps. Dandy's best strategy to get what he wants is to simply live his life and trust the universe to provide for him, and if it doesn't then he knows that it was just simply never meant to be. As an explicit example of this philosophy working out for Dandy, take the episode Slow and Steady Wins the Race, Baby: the episode opens with them going to a market full of food, and ends with them eating a delicious roast fish, but the way they arrived at it was an incredibly circuitous path through which it was unclear how they could possibly end up with the ultimate outcome. And yet, by just going with the flow Dandy ends up with a way better meal than he could have outright bought, and as such he proves to Meow that "slow and steady wins the race", and that if you just follow your intuition and live your life instead of worrying about how quickly your goals are being accomplished you will ultimately find that they come to you. We ultimately find out that Dandy follows Wu Wei so effectively that he has actually reached true enlightenment. There's a concept in Taoism called Pu, "the Uncarved Block", that is meant to represent a pure, natural state of infinite potential: the uncarved block can conceivably be made into anything, but once you begin carving away at it then you limit the possibilities of what it can be made into with every removed splinter. You want to make yourself as Pu-like as possible, because it means you can more easily go with the flow and adapt yourself to whatever the universe throws at you. Dandy has reached this state: as a person, Dandy is the same and reacts the same way in every possible universe because no matter what life throws at him he always returns to his fundamental Dandy state. As is demonstrated in Nobody Knows the Chameleonian, Baby, the actual truth of Dandy's past doesn't matter to Dandy, because whatever he was before he is Dandy now, and being Dandy isn't predicated on some background or life history; Dandy is a state of being. We also see in I Can't be the Only One, Baby that despite all of the different universe's Dandys being massively different in many ways, they all had the same philosophy and reacted in the exact same ways to the world; they all wanted to go to Boobies, they were all disturbed and upset by emo Dandy's crew, and they all thought it was a good idea to burn the dimensional string and just hope things worked out for the best. As one Dandy is interchangeable with infinite other Dandys, it means that Dandy has infinite potential. For Dandy, asses represent the simple, basic pleasures of life, and his fixation on them is representative of living for the joy of each moment individually rather than for some grand ambition that he would have to force upon the universe. When Laika questions the purpose of her life Dandy responds with "a good rear end should be felt, not seen", and what he's saying is that the pleasures of life should be experienced, not thought about. You should find what makes you happy and live for that, rather than basing your happiness on assigning meaning to a universe that is vastly more complex than you could ever understand (in the same way a dog could never understand why humans would do something like launch her into space). Don't worry about fulfilling some grand plan; if you simply go with the flow, act on your intuition, and enjoy your life things will turn out how they were meant to be. In the finale, Dandy's last words to his friends are "It will all work out." It seems ironic, because Dandy's final struggle only succeeds in disintegrating all possible universes, but in the end he was right: this was just a part of an eternal cycle of rebirth and everything worked out how it needed to; even if no one, including Dandy, understood that at the time. And then, when Dandy is given the option to become God, he rejects it. To become God would be fundamentally inimical to everything Dandy stands for; it would be the most un-Dandy thing he could possibly do. It would be forcing his will upon the universe in the most direct and comprehensive way. However Dandy doesn't even have to think that deeply about it, all he has to realize is that being God would get in the way of enjoying asses; of enjoying life the Dandy way, and that's enough to justify rejecting the offer. And then, in the end, when in this new universe Dandy has replaced his rear end fixation with a leg fixation, it's meant to show that the object of your pleasure in life is arbitrary. There's nothing fundamentally important about asses. What really matters is that you find something to take pleasure in. What makes Dandy Dandy is not reliant on asses, or legs, or boobs; what makes Dandy Dandy is how much pleasure he takes in simply living. And that's the Dandy way, baby.
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# ? Jan 16, 2015 00:27 |
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This thread got really loving good.
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# ? Jan 16, 2015 00:57 |
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Vlaada Chvatil posted:This thread got really loving good.
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# ? Jan 16, 2015 01:44 |
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Thank you Winky I believe I am one step closer to enlightenment.
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# ? Jan 16, 2015 02:50 |
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Winky posted:And that's the Dandy way, baby. I feel like we're a couple fancy hats away from a cult now. gently caress it, why not? We'll see where it goes.
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# ? Jan 16, 2015 03:11 |
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:I feel like we're a couple fancy hats away from a cult now. The fancy hat is the Boobies trucker hat.
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# ? Jan 16, 2015 03:32 |
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Vlaada Chvatil posted:This thread got really loving good. That's just the dandy way, baby
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# ? Jan 16, 2015 04:13 |
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YIKES Stay Gooned posted:The fancy hat is the Boobies trucker hat. Groovy, baby. So when's the first meeting?
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# ? Jan 16, 2015 04:38 |
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RyuujinBlueZ posted:I feel like we're a couple fancy ftfy
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# ? Jan 16, 2015 07:29 |
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Thinking more about how to interpret the Naritasan charm that Dandy keeps with him; it may have less to do with the actual religion practiced at the Naritasan temple than it has to do with what the charm itself means. When Johnny and Dandy recognize each other's charms Johnny mentions that you have to go to Acala for safety on the road: Acala is the deity worshiped at Naritasan, and you can buy charms there that are supposed to give you luck and prevent car accidents. The fact that Dandy always carries it with him is indicative of the fact that he puts his faith in luck; though what one might think of as random luck is, to a taoist, representative of the unpredictable but inevitable flow of the universe. Likewise the fact that it's supposed to protect the traveler on the road is symbolic of the tao; the "way" or path, and a consistent theme in taoist philosophy is focusing on the journey. Acala is known as the "immovable wisdom king" in reference to his ability to remain unmoved by temptation. In the context of taoist philosophy, this could represent one who is not moved to action by the temptation to inflict their will on the universe. Acala is also known as the "destroyer of delusions", and he's said to burn away "impediments" and "defilements" to aid his worshipers in reaching enlightenment. Purifying fire is a recurring motif in the series; for instance, in the death of Ukuleleman, or the fish and his planet in Slow and Steady Wins the Race, Baby; in both cases the characters were deluded as to what would really make them happy in life. So, in the end of the series when Dandy holds up the charm as he is rejecting God, it could represent many things; his rejection of the temptation to exert his own control on the universe, his rejection of belief in the overarching cosmic plan of God in exchange for a spontaneous universe, or his faith that the universe will simply continue flowing whether any God happens to exist or not. I also seriously suggest giving the whole series a re-watch with the mentality that each episode is some nature of taoist parable. I've been pretty delighted going back through it with this in mind and realizing that each episode I've watched has a pretty clear moral to it and a lot of what appears to be plot randomness actually ends up working in service to that moral (which is a super taoist way to structure a narrative :P). When I have the time I really do want to go through the episodes one-by-one and do a write-up on each of them.
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# ? Jan 17, 2015 21:35 |
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Thank you for these posts, I hope you continue and finish all those writeups you're talking about, this is really cool. The show seems so out there and slapstick that it makes it especially fascinating to see a pattern like this driving it all.
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# ? Jan 17, 2015 22:28 |
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Winky posted:I also seriously suggest giving the whole series a re-watch with the mentality that each episode is some nature of taoist parable. I've been pretty delighted going back through it with this in mind and realizing that each episode I've watched has a pretty clear moral to it and a lot of what appears to be plot randomness actually ends up working in service to that moral (which is a super taoist way to structure a narrative :P). When I have the time I really do want to go through the episodes one-by-one and do a write-up on each of them. Please do something like this.
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# ? Jan 17, 2015 23:01 |
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You know what is a crime? I can't find anywhere online where you can purchase Dandy's lightning-bolt boxer briefs.
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# ? Jan 18, 2015 03:53 |
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Dessel posted:Now, thanks to two episodes with somewhat similar themes, I'm genuinely wondering if there's a life form somwehere in the universe that planet hops to procreate or something each time two planets coincide in the same way life on Earth experiences changes due to seasons. Sorry, this is from ages ago but in the book 2001 space odessy the dude in the capsule watches aliens transferring between a dying sun and a white dwarf via a huge tornado of fire. I was wondering if that's where the inspiration came from.
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# ? Feb 8, 2015 00:38 |
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Winky posted:I also seriously suggest giving the whole series a re-watch with the mentality that each episode is some nature of taoist parable. I think I will be doing this, great posts! Makes me want to read up on some more Taoism too.
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# ? Feb 9, 2015 07:29 |
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lmao this poo poo owns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmIZiZCTbg4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQpGl-i2M3Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6NpYjKbOpw
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 21:55 |
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Remember Space Dandy? He's back, in card game form!
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 22:00 |
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:lmao this poo poo owns Thanks for posting these, for some reason I either missed or didn't get these while watching Adult Swim last Saturday.
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# ? Mar 4, 2015 22:08 |
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Waffleman_ posted:Remember Space Dandy? He's back, in card game form! On one hand, Kickstarter. On the other hand, Space Dandy card game, and now guaranteed to be funded. ...gently caress, I'm probably gonna buy it.
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# ? Mar 5, 2015 16:51 |
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Kleptobot posted:On one hand, Kickstarter. Kickstarter is dumb for many reasons, but this project seems fine. It's already developed, all rights holders are 100% on board and have already approved the finished game, and they're an established company with actual products they ship and sell. It seems like they're just using kickstarter to minimize the risk of actually making this thing, which is fine by me. I mean, giving money on kickstarter for some rear end in a top hat's idea is dumb as gently caress. But this isn't that at all.
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pnumoman posted:Kickstarter is dumb for many reasons, but this project seems fine. It's already developed, all rights holders are 100% on board and have already approved the finished game, and they're an established company with actual products they ship and sell. It seems like they're just using kickstarter to minimize the risk of actually making this thing, which is fine by me. I wish there was a crowdfunding site for already established companies. And don't display any money above the goal to keep people from complaining that any extra money isn't used to goldplate their rewards.
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# ? Mar 5, 2015 17:31 |
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:lmao this poo poo owns Why would they block advertising to England? Not that it matters much, with a Canadian tunnel, but still.
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# ? Mar 8, 2015 13:28 |
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:lmao this poo poo owns These are pretty great. Just got my copy of season 1 in the mail the other day and rewatched it all yesterday. This show is too good to not own.
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# ? Mar 8, 2015 16:51 |
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I just realized thats actually Ian SinDandy irl playing Dandy
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# ? Mar 8, 2015 18:33 |
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Megaspel posted:Why would they block advertising to England? Not that it matters much, with a Canadian tunnel, but still. You're not cool enough to buy Space Dandy. It's a very exclusive club.
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# ? Mar 8, 2015 18:45 |
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Magnus Condomus posted:I just realized thats actually Ian SinDandy irl playing Dandy This doesn't surprise me. He seems like a pretty cool dude all around, definitely the Dandy sort.
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# ? Mar 8, 2015 22:18 |
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aers posted:http://sakuga.yshi.org/post/show/8201/animated-bahi_jd-effects-genga-smears-smoke-space_ I'm catching up with the thread, and this is seriously amazing, thanks for posting the link. Here's a funny blink-and-you-miss-it frame of Dandy surfing away from the danger, and Meow being the surfing board (source). Can't wait for the second season to be available on DVD.
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# ? Mar 10, 2015 03:58 |
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# ? May 9, 2024 00:37 |
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its fuckin weak they split them. I mean, it makes perfect business sense, but still. gently caress that
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