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WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh

Charles posted:

I got accepted to the Xbox Xcloud beta. Well, I had gotten sick of my Nokia not working so I bought an iPhone. I still have the Nokia so I hooked it up to the TV with the continuum dock and it's basically a tiny Xbox streaming device. Awesome.

One of our work phones is Windows Phone 8.1 really sad to see the goodbye messages even in the Microsoft apps.

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Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal
The Surface Duo is finally here :goofy:

Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


I wouldn’t pay what they’re asking for it, but if I ever became an important business type, I’d get one, it looks made for that.

Three Olives
Apr 10, 2005

What if Hitler invented the BMW i3 Subcompact Electric car?
I'm honestly really tempted to buy it, like I could really see it being useful to me in the ways they are describing it...

But not as my primary phone, not any more than my cellular Apple Watch or my cellular iPad replace my iPhone even though they pretty much overlap in overall core phone functionality.

Put AT&T Numbersync or whatever branding to sharing a phone number/messaging on the device with a primary phone number and I'm sold. But not as a phone I carry with me everyday, not as a device I have decide how I connect with other people or they connect with me.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
I'm still salty how poorly MS handled the WP7 -> WP8 -> WP10 transition. :argh:

I get it, 7 being CE and 10 running the full WP10 kernel and frontend was a huge technical achievement, but they really hosed up with cutting support for 7 so quickly after 8 was released, and 8 being a bastard redheaded step-child when 10 came out.

I miss my 950XL :smith:

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

DoomTrainPhD posted:

I'm still salty how poorly MS handled the WP7 -> WP8 -> WP10 transition. :argh:

I get it, 7 being CE and 10 running the full WP10 kernel and frontend was a huge technical achievement, but they really hosed up with cutting support for 7 so quickly after 8 was released, and 8 being a bastard redheaded step-child when 10 came out.

I miss my 950XL :smith:

My 6 year old found our old 650s and booted them up to play with the camera. Man I miss WP in general. It's still slick as poo poo.

Jewmanji
Dec 28, 2003
It’s interesting to see how all-in the original design was on centering social networks. The phone really assumed you were going to always be a Facebook user and that Facebook was always going to be king. They failed to anticipate that a lot of people would flee that platform, others would arise etc. Remember the struggle over getting SnapChat on WP?

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Jewmanji posted:

It’s interesting to see how all-in the original design was on centering social networks. The phone really assumed you were going to always be a Facebook user and that Facebook was always going to be king. They failed to anticipate that a lot of people would flee that platform, others would arise etc. Remember the struggle over getting SnapChat on WP?

Huh? I mean they had problems with getting devs to port apps for sure, but I'm not sure where you're getting that they put all their eggs in the FB basket and didn't foresee anything else. FB was the biggest at the time and of course had their own official app. But the idea behind the phone itself is the people hub could grow to adapt to aggregate new networks. Unfortunately that integration relied on cooperating devs, which didn't happen.

BonoMan fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Jun 24, 2021

Wizard of the Deep
Sep 25, 2005

Another productive workday
And they didn't limit it to Facebook integration. I know Twitter could tie into it, and I want to say another social network that I'm forgetting too. IIRC, there were APIs for folks to integrate with Windows Phone and Live accounts, but obviously nobody wanted to use them because it'd be making your service plumbing and not front & center (and thus advertising central).

Jewmanji
Dec 28, 2003

BonoMan posted:

Huh? I mean they had problems with getting devs to port apps for sure, but I'm not sure where you're getting that they put all their eggs in the FB basket and didn't foresee anything else. FB was the biggest at the time and of course had their own official app. But the idea behind the phone itself is the people hub could grow to adapt to aggregate new networks. Unfortunately that integration relied on cooperating devs, which didn't happen.

Yeah, I guess that's fair. I think what I meant was that the centrality of Facebook to the WP experience feels very 2012, and would be very off-putting now (to me, at least). As you say, the inability to port apps in a timely fashion (or at all) was part of the perceived downfall of the platform.

That said though, those social networks would've been a vestigial experience within the OS, not deeply embedded the way FB was, right? I'm thinking for instance of how each individual Contract card could show their most recent FB status or something (it's been so long I can't really remember). But even if Instagram or SnapChat or TikTok or whatever had released apps for the phone, it would exist only within that specific app's environment- it wouldn't deeply link with the other features of the phone, right? Like, didn't the Photos hub also siphon photos from Facebook? That level of integration required a significant partnership between the companies, and Microsoft was probably wrong to bet that every new platform would have that level of buy-in unless/until Microsoft reached appropriate levels of market penetration. And even then, as Wizard of the Deep says, maybe not even then, since it'd be cutting off their ad revenue for no reason.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Jewmanji posted:

Yeah, I guess that's fair. I think what I meant was that the centrality of Facebook to the WP experience feels very 2012, and would be very off-putting now (to me, at least). As you say, the inability to port apps in a timely fashion (or at all) was part of the perceived downfall of the platform.

That said though, those social networks would've been a vestigial experience within the OS, not deeply embedded the way FB was, right? I'm thinking for instance of how each individual Contract card could show their most recent FB status or something (it's been so long I can't really remember). But even if Instagram or SnapChat or TikTok or whatever had released apps for the phone, it would exist only within that specific app's environment- it wouldn't deeply link with the other features of the phone, right? Like, didn't the Photos hub also siphon photos from Facebook? That level of integration required a significant partnership between the companies, and Microsoft was probably wrong to bet that every new platform would have that level of buy-in unless/until Microsoft reached appropriate levels of market penetration. And even then, as Wizard of the Deep says, maybe not even then, since it'd be cutting off their ad revenue for no reason.

The idea was that, yes, you would be able to integrate social networks that allowed it into the OS level instead of just app level. But... yeah it didn't happen. I think it's a great idea that - in a socialist utopia - would make for a great phone experience. I'm so loving tired of apps.

But tech companies want to box everyone out and take all the monies so it was never going to happen.

edit: Also this was something you could control. You had an account settings in the hubs. So you could have it just an app, or integrated if you'd prefer.

Jewmanji
Dec 28, 2003

BonoMan posted:

The idea was that, yes, you would be able to integrate social networks that allowed it into the OS level instead of just app level. But... yeah it didn't happen. I think it's a great idea that - in a socialist utopia - would make for a great phone experience. I'm so loving tired of apps.

But tech companies want to box everyone out and take all the monies so it was never going to happen.

edit: Also this was something you could control. You had an account settings in the hubs. So you could have it just an app, or integrated if you'd prefer.

Yeah I mean, the value proposition to me in 2012 was very high. I used Facebook heavily and was just getting into Twitter. Nowadays I only use Twitter. Other than the metro UI which got absolutely butchered in WP10, the social app integration was a big feature that I would've incrementally found less appealing. Having said that, I don't tend to use that many apps, so having a core OS experience as smooth and enjoyable as WP is sort of the most important thing for me.

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Jewmanji posted:

Yeah I mean, the value proposition to me in 2012 was very high. I used Facebook heavily and was just getting into Twitter. Nowadays I only use Twitter. Other than the metro UI which got absolutely butchered in WP10, the social app integration was a big feature that I would've incrementally found less appealing. Having said that, I don't tend to use that many apps, so having a core OS experience as smooth and enjoyable as WP is sort of the most important thing for me.

Well remember WP is a snapshot of 2012 basically. I mean it likely would have changed a great deal since then. But it never gained ground and development never really progressed. So... I'm not sure comparing it to now even makes sense?

Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

I got a Samsung Focus when it came out and man, it felt lightyears ahead of other smartphones at the time. I know it was cheaply built, all plastic, but it was so thin and light, and coupled with the snappy OS it was so viscerally pleasing. The sound design is still unrivaled. I still use Alert 3 as my text tone on my iPhone (not that I ever unsilence my phone anymore).

Also, this thread should have really been named:

quote:

Windows Phor

Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Toilet Rascal
I wonder if I turn on my HTC 8X if it'll work.

Mecca-Benghazi
Mar 31, 2012


This conversation made me go looking for old WP ring tones, I found them on the official SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/nokia-design-team/tracks

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

This conversation made me go looking for old WP ring tones, I found them on the official SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/nokia-design-team/tracks

I don't remember *any* of those...

gloom
Feb 1, 2003
distracted from distraction by distraction

Charles posted:

I wonder if I turn on my HTC 8X if it'll work.
I recently got a 2020 iPhone SE with an Apple silicone case and the hand feel instantly reminded me of my old HTC 8X, just a bit chunkier.

Mecca-Benghazi posted:

This conversation made me go looking for old WP ring tones, I found them on the official SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/nokia-design-team/tracks
Nice find, these are great! When I switched to iPhone I found a set of WP 7.5 sounds ripped from an HTC phone and I keep using them today. Some of these Microsoft ones will be a good change of pace.

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
I remember hacking my HD2 to throw WP7 on it. It worked so well. :smith:

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Kia Soul Enthusias
May 9, 2004

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Lmao I couldn't find the 8X but I found a Lumia 650 that hasn't been turned on in probably two years and it still has 56% battery. Wow

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