NFL: Fixing the Saints

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MJBuddy: Sep 22, 2008; Now I do not know whether I was then a head coach dreaming I was a Saints fan, or whether I am now a Saints fan, dreaming I am a head coach.

FizFashizzle posted:

same thing that happened in Carolina then.

What was the excuse for Atlanta?

gently caress Atlanta, that's what.

# ? Dec 15, 2014 17:20

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SirPhoebos: Dec 10, 2007; WELL THAT JUST HAPPENED!

So are the Saints fans hoping their team limps into the playoffs or do you guys prefer they lose out so you can clean house and get a better draft pick?

# ? Dec 15, 2014 22:13

ulmont: Sep 15, 2010; IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

SirPhoebos posted:

So are the Saints fans hoping their team limps into the playoffs or do you guys prefer they lose out so you can clean house and get a better draft pick?

gently caress it, limp. We suck at drafting for defensive needs anyway.

# ? Dec 15, 2014 22:16

Dattserberg: Dec 30, 2005; National champion, Heisman winner, King crab enthusiast

Apparently the answer to the question is: "Play the Bears"

# ? Dec 16, 2014 05:13

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006; The Suffering of the Succotash.

Dattserberg posted:

Apparently the answer to the question is: "Play the Bears"

# ? Dec 16, 2014 05:29

Febreeze: Oct 24, 2011; I want to care, butt I dont

loving Saints are going to end up 8-8 and ruin everyone's fun times

# ? Dec 16, 2014 05:31

MJBuddy: Sep 22, 2008; Now I do not know whether I was then a head coach dreaming I was a Saints fan, or whether I am now a Saints fan, dreaming I am a head coach.

Febreeze posted:

loving Saints are going to end up 8-8 and ruin everyone's fun times

If Saints win and Carolina loses next week we will rest our starters week 17. So cheer for that?

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:26

Chichevache: Feb 17, 2010; One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

MJBuddy posted:

If Saints win and Carolina loses next week we will rest our starters week 17. So cheer for that?

Lol

# ? Dec 16, 2014 06:34

Anita Dickinme: Jan 24, 2013; Grimey Drawer

MJBuddy posted:

If Saints win and Carolina loses next week we will rest our starters week 17. So cheer for that?

# ? Dec 16, 2014 10:22

Impossibly Perfect Sphere: Nov 6, 2002; They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!

Febreeze posted:

loving Saints are going to end up 8-8 and ruin everyone's fun times

All I want for Christmas is a 7-9 Saints team to knock off the defending champion Seahawks in Seattle.

# ? Dec 17, 2014 01:32

Silly Burrito: Nov 27, 2007; SET A COURSE FOR
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NC-17 posted:

All I want for Christmas is a 7-9 Saints team to knock off the defending champion Seahawks in Seattle.

We all want that, but I'd prefer to do it in New Orleans.

# ? Dec 18, 2014 05:25

Chichevache: Feb 17, 2010; One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

NC-17 posted:

All I want for Christmas is a 7-9 Saints team to knock off the defending champion Seahawks in Seattle.

repeat

# ? Dec 18, 2014 09:55

PostNouveau: Sep 3, 2011; VY till I die; Grimey Drawer

Saints gonna go 11-9 and win the Super Bowl.

# ? Dec 19, 2014 12:10

Jerome Agricola: Apr 11, 2010; Seriously,

who dat?

Over The Cap's take on fixing the Saints.

http://overthecap.com/navigating-saints-2015-salary-cap/

Also perpetuating the "Brady took a pay cut" narrative.

# ? Dec 23, 2014 01:25

Spintzel: Dec 31, 2007; Distractions makes it better when ya take up the ENTIRE ROAD

Febreeze posted:

loving Saints are going to end up 8-8 and ruin everyone's fun times

Lol

We were all so foolish. No one expected the Saints to be this bad. We might start our starters and still lose to Tampa Bay

# ? Dec 26, 2014 03:13

Benne: Sep 2, 2011; STOP DOING HEROIN

Jerome Agricola posted:

Over The Cap's take on fixing the Saints.

http://overthecap.com/navigating-saints-2015-salary-cap/

Also perpetuating the "Brady took a pay cut" narrative.

From the comments:

quote:

This Saints team is absolute trash at this point and is not likely to get better quickly. It is my opinion that the best possibility for their quick recovery is to move on from it's offensive core and rebuild the team from the ground up. They have, in the past, shown good judgement in the past acquiring talent with limited assets. Their option of rebuilding for one more run has failed and they are staring at cap oblivion. Their best option is the nuclear course.

In the spirit of that, I have a couple of options of teams I feel have both the cap flexibility and are in the correct

I don't believe this is a strong possibility, but I like the thought of it as a thought experiment, and so here goes.

Option #1

The Bears trade Jay Cutler, 2nd and conditional 4th pick to the Saints for Drew Brees.

Beforehand the Bears pay 11 million of Cutlers base salary as a bonus.

Brees remaining dead money accelerates onto the cap in the form of 11 million, after absorbing the hit from Cutler (after the pre-paid bonus) brings their total QB cost to around 15-16 million, which is about in line for what Jay Cutler is worth. This deal gives them a league average (maybe slightly below maybe) starting QB in a miserable division and a chance to break ties with Cutler after the season if they see fit.

The Bears have a real QB and immediately surround him with an Embarrassment of riches in offensive talent. They buy low on a Franchise QB and get to see what this offense can actually do.

The Saints clear around 10 million in salary immediately, and acquire a cost controlled, league average starting QB and some future assets. Not the best situation, but it's something to begin with.

Option #2

They trade Brees and Sean Payton to the Jets for a 2nd and 5th this year and a conditional pick which can be no less than a third and can be up to a 1st, based on post season success.

Are the Jets a QB away... probably not. But when you see Eric Decker, Percy Harvin, Jeremy Kerely and a young Jace Amaro you have to wonder what Drew Brees and Sean Payton could do with this.

Payton is familiar with Chris Ivory, and knows very well what to do with a plethora of RB options.

The Jets are among the few teams that could absorb Brees contract hit full bore and not blink.

You have to wonder how much Sean Payton wants to stick around for a total rebuild in New Orleans after basically being a contender for 6 years. The franchise needs a kick start and this is a lot of assets in the form of cap relief(14 mil) and picks. The GM can then commence cuts and begin to rebuild the franchise for the next run in a miserable division.

Fiz, when did you start posting on Over The Cap comments?

# ? Dec 27, 2014 09:03

FizFashizzle: Mar 30, 2005

I love how fans figure out compensation in these ridiculous trade scenarios.

"Brees and Sean Payton to the Jets for a 2nd and 5th this year and a conditional pick which can be no less than a third and can be up to a 1st,"

what fever dream led to this?

also lol at "payton is familiar with chris ivory"

# ? Dec 27, 2014 15:19

Silly Burrito: Nov 27, 2007; SET A COURSE FOR
THE FLAVOR QUADRANT

No.

Just no.

# ? Dec 27, 2014 18:39

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006; The Suffering of the Succotash.

There are a LOT of really stupid Saints fans. It seems like they want to go back to the good old days of the late 90s by not paying anybody.

# ? Dec 28, 2014 05:40

Proud Christian Mom: Dec 20, 2006; READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD

Saints fans having any enjoyment in life was an error and should be fixed. Same for Cleveland.

# ? Dec 28, 2014 06:07

skaboomizzy: Nov 12, 2003; There is nothing I want to be. There is nothing I want to do.
I don't even have an image of what I want to be. I have nothing. All that exists is zero.

go3 posted:

Saints fans having any enjoyment in life was an error and should be fixed. Same for Cleveland.

I think you'll find that the fleeting hope Browns fans had through the first 10 weeks will be extinguished for good very shortly.

# ? Dec 28, 2014 06:40

MJBuddy: Sep 22, 2008; Now I do not know whether I was then a head coach dreaming I was a Saints fan, or whether I am now a Saints fan, dreaming I am a head coach.

go3 posted:

Saints fans having any enjoyment in life was an error and should be fixed. Same for Cleveland.

I can't go back.

I WONT GO BACK

# ? Dec 28, 2014 22:56

Jerome Agricola: Apr 11, 2010; Seriously,

who dat?

go3 posted:

Saints fans having any enjoyment in life was an error and should be fixed. Same for Cleveland.

kiss the ill-gotten dirty tainted ring

# ? Dec 29, 2014 00:29

Doppelganger: Oct 11, 2002; Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger

I didn't get into football until 2008. Having a poo poo team is a confusing and frightening prospect for me.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 01:37

Chichevache: Feb 17, 2010; One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

Doppelganger posted:

I didn't get into football until 2008. Having a poo poo team is a confusing and frightening prospect for me.

If there is anything I've learned in my year and half as a Seahawks fan, it's that football is awesome and losing is, at most, a one week setback.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 02:03

tk: Dec 10, 2003; Nap Ghost

Doppelganger posted:

I didn't get into football until 2008. Having a poo poo team is a confusing and frightening prospect for me.

After you've come to terms with the fact that your team is going to suck, being a fan becomes a lot less stressful, time-consuming, and expensive.

# ? Jan 2, 2015 02:32

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# ? May 5, 2024 02:40

A.o.D.: Jan 15, 2006; The Suffering of the Succotash.

Doppelganger posted:

I didn't get into football until 2008. Having a poo poo team is a confusing and frightening prospect for me.

It's like wrapping up in an old, comfortable, poo poo-stained, smallpox infested blanket for me.

# ? Jan 3, 2015 20:02

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