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opus111 posted:music ... i already covered. performing it is usually collaborative but composing it even as a band will always regquire a strong, wilful character who will steamroll over everybody else. So what's the difference between Mick Jagger writing a song and when they record it Keith Richards killing it on guitar vs Werner Herzog writing a screenplay and when he directs it getting a killer performance from Klaus Kinski?
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if it aint paint its taint -old artist saying
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Feb 21, 2015 03:32
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What about those times when I feel like a cheeseburger? Is the cheeseburger a film or a movie?
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Feb 21, 2015 04:31
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Jack Gladney posted:What about those times when I feel like a cheeseburger? Is the cheeseburger a film or a movie? the cheeseburger is food, you eat it! with your mouth!
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Feb 21, 2015 07:00
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I did some research and I solved the debate.quote:Art is a diverse range of human activities and the products of those activities, usually involving imaginative or technical skill. In their most general form these activities include the production of works of art, the criticism of art, the study of the history of art, and the aesthetic dissemination of art. This article focuses primarily on the visual arts, which includes the creation of images or objects in fields including painting, sculpture, printmaking, photography, and other visual media. Architecture is often included as one of the visual arts; however, like the decorative arts, it involves the creation of objects where the practical considerations of use are essential—in a way that they usually are not in a painting, for example. Music, theatre, film, dance, and other performing arts, as well as literature and other media such as interactive media, are included in a broader definition of art or the arts.[1] Until the 17th century, art referred to any skill or mastery and was not differentiated from crafts or sciences. In modern usage after the 17th century, where aesthetic considerations are paramount, the fine arts are separated and distinguished from acquired skills in general, such as the decorative or applied arts. In conclusion movies are art and so are videogames, but not science. Science is different.
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Feb 21, 2015 07:18
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Cinema is just as much of an art as painting, literature, music, and theatre. It's too popular for most people to treat it seriously, though.
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Feb 21, 2015 16:34
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Egbert Souse posted:Cinema is just as much of an art as painting, literature, music, and theatre. It's too popular for most people to treat it seriously, though. Contemporary films, maybe, but there's already a knowledge of some films being "artsy" or "High art" ("The Citizen Kane of x", for example).
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Feb 21, 2015 16:37
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computer parts posted:Contemporary films, maybe, but there's already a knowledge of some films being "artsy" or "High art" ("The Citizen Kane of x", for example). "art" may be used descriptively or evaluatively. it's important to not confuse the two.
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Feb 21, 2015 17:08
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Egbert Souse posted:Cinema is just as much of an art as painting, literature, music, and theatre. It's too popular for most people to treat it seriously, though. but that's kinda cheating because "cinema" is specifically "film that is art." what we need to show the OP are the conditions under which film is art, and accordingly cinema
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Feb 21, 2015 17:10
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Hand Knit posted:but that's kinda cheating because "cinema" is specifically "film that is art." what we need to show the OP are the conditions under which film is art, and accordingly cinema I watch a film at the Cinema 4, therefore it is cinema and by extension it is an art. QED.
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Feb 21, 2015 22:56
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I remember when Paul McCartney used to not make art in the Beatles but then he finally started making an art when he played all the instruments himself on a solo records then he made not art for a bit in Wings and then he made art again
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Feb 22, 2015 00:02
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What about karate?
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Feb 22, 2015 00:40
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Jack Gladney posted:What about karate? Karate is art.
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Feb 22, 2015 01:18
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Is porn art?
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Feb 22, 2015 02:04
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hemale in pain posted:Is porn art? Is porn necessarily not art?
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Feb 22, 2015 02:06
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Lotish posted:I watch a film at the Cinema 4, therefore it is cinema and by extension it is an art. QED. this doesn't seem right, no
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Feb 22, 2015 02:07
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hemale in pain posted:Is porn art? Double-penetration porn is not art because it is a collaboration and not a singular vision. Otherwise yeah it is art.
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Feb 24, 2015 16:53
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Jack Gladney posted:What about those times when I feel like a cheeseburger? Is the cheeseburger a film or a movie? Prepare to have your MIND BLOWN ...  It's a MOTION PICTURE. Take that, art.
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Feb 24, 2015 16:56
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Jack Gladney posted:What about karate?  Have you ever watched FIRECRACKER? Watching FIRECRACKER will put all questions of "is Karate art?" to bed.
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Feb 24, 2015 17:01
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hemale in pain posted:Is porn art? Flesh Gordon is art. Blonde sexytits volume 25.mp4 is an object. Bad movies are bad art.
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Feb 25, 2015 06:55
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All films by Martin Scorsese are art. My thoughts on Martin Scorsese encapsulated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQKS4_Y7QCI 
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Feb 25, 2015 18:16
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hemale in pain posted:Is porn art? Film in it sepia and add a classy indie soundtrack and it'll be art. And something something "deep" metaphors.
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Feb 25, 2015 21:41
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Kaiju Cage Match posted:And something something "deep" metaphors. SLUT ORGY 9 is actually a metaphor for how the human phenomenon is the sum of densely coiled layers of illusion, provided you watch it critically. Please allow me to share my low-rent Slavoj Zizek-esque essay explaining this.
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Feb 25, 2015 23:24
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Big Bootied Black Babes is actually about Neo-Nazis overcoming their racist views by assfucking big bootied black babes. I will write 10 paragraphs on this subject because my Film Studies degree has done for me is getting me a barista job at Starbucks. I should go to welding school.
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Feb 26, 2015 00:06
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porn is just art thats easier to masturbate to.
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Feb 26, 2015 14:43
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Slaapaav posted:porn is just art thats easier to masturbate to. I don't know about that, I jerk off to Battleship Potemkin pretty much every other day, especially all the parts in the lower decks or the knot tying sequences.
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Feb 26, 2015 16:16
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InfiniteZero posted:I don't know about that, I jerk off to Battleship Potemkin pretty much every other day, especially all the parts in the lower decks or the knot tying sequences. That lone red flag, man... So red.
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Feb 26, 2015 23:22
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I think what OP is trying to point out is that cinema's concepts are not given in cinema. And yet they are cinema's concepts, not theories about the cinema. So that there is always a time, midday-midnight, when we must no longer ask ourselves, 'What is cinema?', but 'What is philosophy?' Cinema itself is a new practice of images and signs, whose theory philosophy must produce as conceptual practice. For no technical determination, whether applied (psychoanalysis, linguistics) or reflexive, is sufficient to constitute the concepts of cinema itself.
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Feb 26, 2015 23:34
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Personally I agree with the OP that having a singular vision is important to art, but I still think films can be art. Take Kenneth Anger for example. I think most that are familiar with his work would agree his films classify as art, and the work he does comes from a singular vision. If you listen to his commentaries, he'll talk about how actors were sometimes frustrated that they didn't understand what his films were about, to which he'd reply that it doesn't matter what they think, it only matters what his artistic vision is. He didn't see his actors as artists themselves, just the brushes he painted with, so to speak. With that said, not all films are art. Most aren't, but some are! ChineseConnection fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Feb 27, 2015 |
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Feb 27, 2015 22:53
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Sometimes we respond to them as if they are. I don't know about anyone else, but that's enough for me to consider it an art form. But as already mentioned, not all of them. Maybe by default a lot of folks would approach 8 1/2 as art, but I imagine most would find it difficult to approach Hobo with a Shotgun that way.
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I can't believe we made it this far (I did skim a bit) without the "Films" vs. "Movies" debate. Similar to the "Hip Hop" vs "Rap" debate. It's hopeless. I consider films art because it's an extension of someone's creative vision. No matter what they're based off of be it books, comics, action figures, video games, TV, original screenplays or remakes, sequels, reboots or whatever, it's all someone's vision of a basic concept. Paintings are the same, sculptures are the same, music is the same -- it's all an interpretation of a mental idea, even if it does come from somewhere else originally. Like secret agent above me said, despite being different fundamentally, Orson Welles' "Chimes at Midnight" is no different from James Nguyen's "Birdemic 2". To the right audience they're all a story being told and you can listen to it as you will. That being said please don't ever ever watch Birdemic 2 -- it's mostly the main character walking around Hollywood and everyone else making CLEVER remarks and poorly done tongue-in-cheek references to the first abomination. I sat slackjawed for most of the runtime. Weed and beer did not help. That being said, i would watch it again because I love that poo poo.
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