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kaesarsosei
Nov 7, 2012
Not fully done with Santa boxes this year yet but pretty drat happy with this haul so far (around 30 Megas opened and 20 normal - still have 12 Bigs waiting). Especially Odin since I missed that dockyard.

London
Mutsu
Boise
Hood
Odin
S-189
Almt Grante

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Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



I haven't bought any boxes since I'm not going to spend money on this game very easily, but I've opened something like 30 of different sizes from all sources, and the only bote I got was some T6 English DD.

Not much point in buying any boxes when there's several dog poo poo T6s and T7s I don't have yet, and I would 100% get all of those before a single usable higher tier bote.

patrick_elektros
Dec 27, 2023
Der_Kommandant was in DTM but i just left them

Vorkosigan
Mar 28, 2012


Got a Toulon in a free box , so that was nice.

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Has anyone played the Bungo? Is it any good? I've grinded up to the Adatara in asymmetric, and the thing sure as gently caress doesn't feel great. It's decently accurate with the spotter plane up, but catastrophically bad without it. Also, despite claiming to be 457mm guns, the main guns sure as gently caress don't hit like it. They don't feel like they can citadel BBs reliably at any range, and mostly just overpen cruisers from any angle and any distance.

I've already got a Vermont for accurate 457mm shenanigans, and also a Yamato (and a Musashi) so I'm kinda starting to question if I want to even prioritize the Bungo. I guess I can unlock it at some point because why not, but unless it's a lot better than the Adatara I don't see much point in the thing. It has a very high average winrate and damage on wows-numbers.com (the highest of all T10 battleships, in fact), but it also has a very small amount of games so those numbers might not be very accurate.

E: I also have an Ohio.

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches










Russian Richelieu is ok. I'm not sure why 2/3 Des Moines exists, but whatever, much better than what I got last year.

Should end up with another mega or two by the end but not much more I think. Getting a fifth of a mega per tier 10 instead of a mega per tier 10 as in the last few variations on this event was something of a downgrade.

kaesarsosei
Nov 7, 2012

Shaman Tank Spec posted:

Has anyone played the Bungo? Is it any good? I've grinded up to the Adatara in asymmetric, and the thing sure as gently caress doesn't feel great. It's decently accurate with the spotter plane up, but catastrophically bad without it. Also, despite claiming to be 457mm guns, the main guns sure as gently caress don't hit like it. They don't feel like they can citadel BBs reliably at any range, and mostly just overpen cruisers from any angle and any distance.

I've already got a Vermont for accurate 457mm shenanigans, and also a Yamato (and a Musashi) so I'm kinda starting to question if I want to even prioritize the Bungo. I guess I can unlock it at some point because why not, but unless it's a lot better than the Adatara I don't see much point in the thing. It has a very high average winrate and damage on wows-numbers.com (the highest of all T10 battleships, in fact), but it also has a very small amount of games so those numbers might not be very accurate.

E: I also have an Ohio.

I have unlocked the Bungo but literally not played it yet. The thing about Japanese "accuracy" is the vertical dispersion - it's a lot worse than other nations. And if you want to see just how comically bad it can be even at high tiers, try the dockyard Hizen BB.

With the spotter up on the BCs, the dispersion is really good overall but the vertical dispersion is barely mediocre. With it down its the usual IJN shotgun.

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Yep, that sounds about right, the vertical dispersion is what kills the boat. With the Adatara you can't reliably hit a static broadside on BB from 5 km out.

masterpine
Dec 3, 2014


I've only played a few Bungo games, it's a lot more comfortable to play than the Adatara mainly because you've got more guns. I'm not sure about it yet, I found it interesting that a few CC's like PQ initially hated the thing but now love it so maybe it'll click with me.

It it exceptional at sniping CV's. I've 100-0 devstruck a pair already, so for that alone it's a pretty okay boat. Being able to get a few hyper accurate salvos out on them compared to a Vermont's single shot helps. The guns are very all or nothing which can be annoying, it feels like playing a Slava which... not very exciting. If you're up against players with brains it really lacks alpha. I love brick/Vermont gaming, especially with the improved heals now, and find it way more reliable and satisfying than the Bungo. That's probably a little bit unfair of a comp because Vermont is amazing.

iSimian
Jan 19, 2008

Well, there's your problem!
Bought 0 crates this year, just took the ones offered by certificates and daily stuff. Snagged a TX Brisbane in the last one, so mission accomplished I guess.

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



masterpine posted:

I've only played a few Bungo games, it's a lot more comfortable to play than the Adatara mainly because you've got more guns. I'm not sure about it yet, I found it interesting that a few CC's like PQ initially hated the thing but now love it so maybe it'll click with me.

Yeah, I've been expecting the same thing to happen to me with the Adatara but I'm about 20k short of the Bungo and still constantly thinking the Izumo felt a lot better to play.

Then again I didn't bother buying the spotting plane equipment for this thing, and I guess that (and maybe speccing for spotting planes?) makes the Bungo a lot better since you can get more than two shots out of each spotter plane.

But the armour is awful, the guns are unreliable and the thing isn't as fast or maneuverable as other BCs so it's kinda all or nothing on the guns. And at least on the Adatara the guns aren't nearly good enough.

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




Izumo used to have the world's worst vertical dispersion too until they buffed it about 10 patches in a row a few years ago

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Oh wow I got a ship from a santa box! I got a ship!



Well... poo poo.

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Imagine how loving dog poo poo you have to be to get 124 xp in a loving SUBMARINE. Considering the insane XP modifiers they get.



Motherfucker was the last to die too, so it's not like he got unlucky and was deleted 30 seconds in.

Burt
Sep 23, 2007

Poke.



Shaman Tank Spec posted:

Oh wow I got a ship from a santa box! I got a ship!

Well... poo poo.

Did my monthly log in, checked armoury and got the Rhode Island as first reward in that chain.

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Burt posted:

Did my monthly log in, checked armoury and got the Rhode Island as first reward in that chain.

Nice one, that ship is loaded with every possible gimmick in the book.

kaesarsosei
Nov 7, 2012

Burt posted:

Did my monthly log in, checked armoury and got the Rhode Island as first reward in that chain.

Thats your luck used for 2024.

In fairness I can't complain. I got Neustrashimny and Immelmann from 2 non-Santa crates during the course of 2023.

kaesarsosei
Nov 7, 2012
This is a pretty random observation for WoWs in 2024, but Odin is hot garbage right? I got one out of a Santa crate having missed the dockyard and I am really struggling to see the point of it.

Blindeye
Sep 22, 2006

I can't believe I kissed you!
It's a pretty good ship against its own tier, and it definitely is much better against cruisers than it is other battleships. I found that it's kind of niche, best suited for brawls or ranked games where there's fewer ships and a narrower spread of tiers.

In randoms, though, it's not that good.

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Figured I'd try Randoms again after a while. Jumped in my Tromp, first game enemy team had a U-2501/U-4501/Nakhimov division.

There was literally absolutely nothing I could do. The Nakhimov just kept me spotted, and the two sub shitheads could just swarm me with pings and torpedoes.

Wonder why the game's dying?

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

kaesarsosei posted:

This is a pretty random observation for WoWs in 2024, but Odin is hot garbage right? I got one out of a Santa crate having missed the dockyard and I am really struggling to see the point of it.

It's super fun until you run out of HP. Unfortunately it has very low HP. :(

The German BC line pretty much rendered it obsolete afaict, unless they don't get hydro? Maybe they don't get hydro, I forget.

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

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General Battuta posted:

It's super fun until you run out of HP. Unfortunately it has very low HP. :(

The German BC line pretty much rendered it obsolete afaict, unless they don't get hydro? Maybe they don't get hydro, I forget.

They do.

The t8 one has a weird gun arrangement so it might still be somewhat competitive in t8 only.

Gwaihir
Dec 8, 2009
Hair Elf

kaesarsosei posted:

This is a pretty random observation for WoWs in 2024, but Odin is hot garbage right? I got one out of a Santa crate having missed the dockyard and I am really struggling to see the point of it.

Yes, it's trash. Bad guns, terrible hp for the tier.

Mandatory Assembly
May 25, 2008

it's time to get juche
Lipstick Apathy
Thinking about reinstalling (I know, I know) after a couple of years away from the game. Are there any bonuses for returning players of anything?

Chair In A Basket
Aug 6, 2005

I'm basically Jesus.

Nap Ghost
You get to uninstall it again in 3 weeks, which is kinda special.

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Mandatory Assembly posted:

Thinking about reinstalling (I know, I know) after a couple of years away from the game. Are there any bonuses for returning players of anything?

Yeah they periodically do return campaigns. I think they recently gave lapsed players a free Yamato, but I'm not sure if you had to log in during a specific period.

colonelwest
Jun 30, 2018

So will they still do an account transfer between the EU and US servers if you contact customer support?

bees everywhere
Nov 19, 2002

Anyone still playing this game? I recently reinstalled after like 8 years to try out the subs. Meh. Especially with the recent changes, I'm not sure if I like them very much. But it does lead to some satisfying griefing opportunities.

I just got the Z-31 which apparently is considered to be one of the worst T7 ships in the game. I think I actually like it though? It's fast and the guns are really accurate so as long as you can aim well then it's great for kiting. I learned the hard way that it's pretty awful at knife fighting other DDs, but you sometimes have an advantage at mid-long ranges, depending on your aim and their ability to dodge. The torpedoes suck but your guns mean you can still be a menace to cruisers and be able to farm a meaningful amount of damage from BBs.

kaesarsosei
Nov 7, 2012
I started playing it again back in 2020 but have just "soft-quit" about 3 weeks ago. I didn't ragequit, log out, delete the game or anything but I just don't get any fun out of it anymore. Basically how I felt in around 2018 when I first quit before coming back 2 years later.

The impending sub and CV changes just looked to much hassle to try and be bothered with. I don't know how meaningful they are in game, but I suspect I won't be back playing regular for a few years if ever.

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



Same. I occasionally log in and play a few rounds, but the game as it is these days is just not enjoyable. Constant CV and sub spam, pubbies more awful than humanly thought possible and the games are passive camp fests. The only fun I've had in a few years was with the Halloween event and the asynchronous mode they put in for one patch.

Oh, and the blimp escort mode. That was kinda fun!

Velius
Feb 27, 2001
I still play pretty often but rarely with goons except Gwaihir, since we’re in a (non-BOATC) clan. Boatc discord seems pretty dead though.

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

Friends: Protected
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Asymmetric mode is coming back sometime this month I think?

Shaman Tank Spec
Dec 26, 2003

*blep*



So hey remember how people have been suggesting fixing CVs by making them minimap spotting only, but WG refused because "it was too confusing for players"?

Well here's their elegant and easily understandable solution to CVs.

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Greetings, Captains! Back in December we announced our plans to implement significant changes to Aircraft Carriers. We hope you're ready for more news, because we have a boatload of info to share! As a reminder, we'll be conducting our first major closed test on April 16th to try out these updates, so certain details can and will change as we move through the testing process.

With that out of the way, let's get down to business!

CHANGES TO AIRCRAFT CARRIERS

First, some key details. As announced previously, the core of the new concept boils down to significantly changing the way that carrier aircraft operate while traveling and attacking.

TRAVELING

Similar to the current implementation, traveling (also now known as "high altitude"), is the state that aircraft will spend the most time in as they traverse the map. What will be different? While traveling, aircraft:

Will not spot enemy ships.*

Will not be targetable by regular AA fire.*

Will not deplete their boost.

Can be spotted by enemy ships.

Cannot attack enemy ships or drop ordnance in any way.

*Exceptions apply. See section "Defensive AA Fire"

This means that Aircraft Carriers must rely on spotting from teammates in order to identify targets. Carrier squadrons will also have access to a new consumable called Active Reconnaissance. While active, this consumable will provide an indicator if/when aircraft are within range of enemy AA (similar in appearance to the "Spotted" indicator) and will also show if an enemy has used their updated Priority Sector (see details further down). Note that this consumable will not provide actual spotting or minimap indicators and will not work if the enemy ship has its AA turned off.

ATTACK RUNS

We've talked about traveling, but how do you actually interact with enemy ships now? Similar to the current implementation, Aircraft Carriers must start an attack run. While conducting an attack run, aircraft:

Will spot enemy ships.

Become targetable by AA fire.

Take significantly reduced damage from AA for the first few seconds of the attack run.

Will deplete their boost as usual.

Can attack enemy ships.

Compared to the current implementation, there are some additional key differences: preparation time for attack runs has been increased, to prevent them from simply starting an attack run right above the ship and avoiding most of the AA. Planes will, however, not have reduced maneuverability during the attack preparation time, which will make it a bit easier for the carrier to strike when there are no allies nearby to spot the target. Additionally, attack runs will only consist of one attacking flight, while the rest of the squadron will remain at high altitude and will not receive AA fire (more on this later). Any planes that are destroyed in the attack run will not be replaced, meaning that shooting down planes will directly reduce the damage dealt by the attack. If the entire attack flight is destroyed, the run is aborted.

SECONDARIES

While not controlling aircraft, Carriers will now be able to manually control their secondary battery. In the case of carriers with mixed secondary armaments, they will control the largest caliber guns. They'll become the Main caliber ones. While operating aircraft, all guns will be aimed & fired automatically as usual.

CHANGES TO SURFACE SHIPS

So those are the key changes for how Aircraft Carriers will operate! What about surface ships? We also have some substantial changes coming to the way that surface ships interact with aircraft through their anti-air batteries. First up...

DEFENSIVE AA FIRE

We mentioned earlier that aircraft in travel mode will be un-targetable by AA. Well, here's the exception! While Defensive AA Fire is active, your AA batteries will be able to target enemy planes even while they are flying over you at high altitude; however, while active, planes at high altitude which are under fire will be able to spot you in return. With these changes, we're also renaming this consumable to "Barrage Fire."

PRIORITY SECTOR

Priority sector is receiving some major changes and will be renamed to "Active Concealment." Similar to the current priority sector, Active Concealment can be activated with the press of a button and takes effect within your anti-air range. When activated, it will instantly deal a certain % of the squadron's health in damage when it enters the AA fire. Additionally, Active Concealment will cause enemy aircraft within range to become unable to spot, making aircraft reliant on teammate spotting. The effect will also negate the damage reduction that planes receive in the first seconds of their attack run. However, it is important to note that this should be used preemptively and not reactively, as the effect will only trigger on enemy planes if they enter your AA while the effect is active. If the planes are already in the AA zone, and the effect is activated, it will not block their ability to spot, will not negate the AA damage reduction, and will not apply the % damage to the squadron; good timing will be critical to effective use of this ability.

PASSIVE INCREASE TO AA

We're not done just yet! All surface ships will receive a new passive way to deal with enemy planes targeting you while there are planes in your AA zone. Passive increase is a meter that will charge up while your AA is shooting enemy aircraft. Your progress is not time-limited, meaning that even if your AA does not shoot enemy aircraft for a certain period of time, progress will stay the same and not decay. But once your progress reaches 100%, the passive increase will be automatically activated and you will receive the following perks for a period of time:

A bonus to AA damage.

A bonus to the damage caused by Active Concealment (formerly Priority Sector)

A reduction in Active Concealment cooldown.

Additionally, this passive increase:

Will not reset if you disable your AA.

Will last for several minutes.

We decided to go with an automatic activation of this feature due to the extended length of the action time as this is supposed to serve as a defensive tool. The effects of this passive mechanic should strongly disincentivize aircraft carriers from relentlessly focusing a single target. We've already introduced several other active changes for players and we want to avoid a scenario where, for example, all players in an attack path activate this simultaneously and almost instantly destroy the attack flight, as it is supposed to serve only to disincentivize constant attacks from the Aircraft Carrier over a longer period of time, not as a general deterrent.

That's all for now! We hope you're as excited as we are to see these changes enter testing and look forward to updating you as we continue to work on and test the concept.

You can also find this devblog on our website: https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/528

Please note that all information in the development blog is preliminary. Announced adjustments and features may change multiple times during testing. The final information will be published on our game's website.

Burt
Sep 23, 2007

Poke.



Shaman Tank Spec posted:

So hey remember how people have been suggesting fixing CVs by making them minimap spotting only, but WG refused because "it was too confusing for players"?

Well here's their elegant and easily understandable solution to CVs.

Well that seems simple enough. :dumb:

kaesarsosei
Nov 7, 2012
Yeah as I mentioned before, I quit about a month ago and the final straw was catching a whiff of these changes. I glanced at it and thought I just cba trying to figure this poo poo out. I don't even know if they are a net positive but gently caress that poo poo.

masterpine
Dec 3, 2014


Players: CV minimap spotting only?
Lesta WoWS: Sounds good.
Western WoWS: No, rube-goldberg level clusterhell interactions are a better idea.

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

North American Turtle Boy Love Association

It’s pretty easy? Planes in travel altitude don’t spot anything, can use engine boost the whole time. Planes in attack mode will spot ships on the surface, but drain engine boost. Ships will see planes in travel mode, and DFAA will be able to shoot them at travel altitude. It’s really not that complicated.

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bees everywhere
Nov 19, 2002

The main thing I hate about CVs is that I have to rely on passive AA to shoot down their planes. IIRC in that knockoff game Steel Ocean you could manually control your DP AA guns, it was nice, especially with an Atlanta.

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