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So I have a bad habit of "dabbling" shall we call it. I'll find a topic I'm interested in, read a bit about it, then something new and shiny will show up and I go off to examine that instead. The result is I know a little about a lot of things but it all adds up to not much of anything. However one of the topics I've never really delved into whatsoever is philosophy. Topics I have read books about though are Religion, Politics and Psychology and what I'm curious about is if there's an overlap? I think it's fairly well accepted that some theologians qualify also as philosophers. Say, Thomas Aquinas maybe. Meanwhile "political theorists" like Jean-Jacques Rousseau or Edmund Burke wrote quite a bit about human nature and its relation to society. Finally, for psychologists, you mainly need the psychoanalyst branch of thought and I know many do not hold that in high regard. However, not all schools of philosophy are probably held in completely high regard either so I don't see why they should be shut out just because they're unpopular. Your Freud's, Jung's and Lacan's were all attempting to understand the human condition too and it certainly wasn't in a very "scientific way." Although Freud at least I think tried for that to some extent. So my question. Does philosophy encompass all these things? Is Freud or Burke a philosopher in the same way that Heidegger or Plato were? And again it has nothing to do with being right or profound - just that they can be called philosopher.
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Think: A Compelling Introduction to Philosophy by Simon Blackburn is a really good introduction. I'm not really sure exactly what your asking. There is some kind of overlap between philosophy and every other academic discipline, between psychology and philosophy of mind for instance, or religion and moral philosophy perhaps. Other disciplines often break off of philosophy as well - so once 'natural philosophy' becomes well defined enough to stand on it's own we get science, etc. All of the people you mentioned would be considered philosophers, the biggest question mark would be on the psychoanalysts. You'll probably find more literary theory types interested in that than anyone else, but it's not out of the picture in philosophy. Certainly controversial, but at the very least it's still interesting to a lot of people as part of the history of the way people have thought about things.
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May 26, 2015 17:58
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It's a miserable little pile of secrets. You get an MBA after clearing the inverted castle.
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May 26, 2015 18:25
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The intellectual discipline of the gaps. 
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May 26, 2015 18:28
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All I know about philosophy I learned from Civ IV. "I have gained this by philosophy: That I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law." - Spock.
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May 26, 2015 18:34
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NikkolasKing posted:So my question. Does philosophy encompass all these things? Yes. All of these people are read by philosophers as primary sources, which is about as close as you can come to a definition as to who counts as a philosopher. Of course you're also going to find philosophers who will argue that these people shouldn't be read by philosophers / shouldn't count as philosophers, but that in itself is tangled up with some of the standard debates of philosophy.
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May 26, 2015 18:36
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I reccomend "An Introduction To Philosophical Analysis" by Hospers for a high-level view of the major problems in philosophy. It goes into depth* about lots of classic areas such as language, epistemology, mind/body, ethics but in a surprisingly readable fashion, and has lots of problems for the reader to address at the end of each chapter. * Moreso than your average flavor-of-the-month popphil paperback
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May 26, 2015 21:18
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Zachack posted:It's a miserable little pile of secrets. That's the second SoTN reference in the past couple of days here. Must be IGA's new kickstarter perhaps?
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May 27, 2015 04:03
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It's science without the experiments.
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May 27, 2015 04:32
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a discipline of would you like fries with that
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May 27, 2015 04:39
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https://1000wordphilosophy.wordpress.com/ has some good short and clearly written introductory articles.
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May 27, 2015 04:42
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Salt Fish posted:It's science without the experiments.
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May 27, 2015 06:53
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Given the demographics of this forum? Learning to bear with fortitude the misfortunes of others.
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May 27, 2015 06:59
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May 27, 2015 07:08
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Blue Raider posted:a discipline of would you like fries with that Actually, it is essential for any position of leadership.
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May 27, 2015 07:32
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Blue Raider posted:a discipline of would you like fries with that ya i no rite its like critical thinking who needs that when you have your gut lol!!! even the specialists aren't useless because you need teachers and people with the leisure to try turning up new ideas, and i'm not sure how you expect democracy to ever work with less voters that can think beyond team sports and soundbytes
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May 27, 2015 08:52
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Socrates, Plato and Aristotle ---- Descartes, Hume and Kant If you know these six by heart you have covered the most influencial and important ones. Epistemeology -------> rationalism ----> empiricism, Virtue ethics -----------> utilitarianism -> duty ethics
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May 27, 2015 10:47
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Thinking about stuff that's hard to do proper science on.
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May 27, 2015 10:53
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl4VD8uvgec
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May 27, 2015 10:58
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Monteunicorn posted:Socrates, Plato and Aristotle ---- Descartes, Hume and Kant That's incredibly subjective, even disregarding the fact that Socrates and Plato are basically the same thing unless you're already deep enough into Greek philosophy to start understanding / researching the differences. It's difficult enough to write this kind of list for a single subdiscipline in philosophy, doing it for the subject as a whole is a fool's errant. (Hobbes, Hegel, Marx, Heidegger, Sartre, Wittgenstein, Popper, Aquinas, Arendt and a hundred others will appear on this kind of list, depending on who writes it.)
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May 27, 2015 13:45
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botany posted:That's incredibly subjective, even disregarding the fact that Socrates and Plato are basically the same thing unless you're already deep enough into Greek philosophy to start understanding / researching the differences. It's difficult enough to write this kind of list for a single subdiscipline in philosophy, doing it for the subject as a whole is a fool's errant. And indeed, whether you care more about ethics, metaphysics, logic, politics etc.
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May 27, 2015 13:49
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Monteunicorn posted:Socrates, Plato and Aristotle ---- Descartes, Hume and Kant They (might) be the six most important if if you're looking at the history of philosophy, but even just looking at it that way it's hardly going to be a comprehensive list. The youngest person on there died in 1804. Philosophy hasn't exactly stood still for 200 years. Also what about the 2000 years between Aristotle and Descartes? I get what you're saying, this was how phil 101 and 102 were organized when I first took them, the first class focusing on the Greeks the other picking up with Descartes. It's perfectly sensible, but too broad of statement to say just know these six people. If you want an overview you'd be better focusing on how ideas develop rather than just get a checklist of people, you'll encounter all the names that way anyways.
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Monteunicorn posted:Socrates, Plato and Aristotle ---- Descartes, Hume and Kant Ugh. This is what made philosophy class miserable for me. I took it in community college (with admittedly a small background of personal study and thought), and that's exactly what we covered... with a major focus on the first three. Studying them all semester is a nightmare and I personally felt a waste of time. "If I tie my slave in a field for three days while I wait for the Roman Officials to arrive, and he dies, did I kill him?!??!" We tackled that riveting and relevant question for an entire day near the end of the year. Supremely frustrating. As the only person in the class who participated or stayed awake, I thought maybe I could convince our professor to cover something more interesting or applicable, like Santayana or Spinoza, but she wouldn't have it. Finally, she failed me in the class. Hating and failing in a subject I personally enjoyed and studied was one of the reasons I stopped going to school. I work at a factory now and I have no great regrets, wants, or aspirations. I guess you can go ahead and call me a philosopher.
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NikkolasKing posted:So I have a bad habit of "dabbling" shall we call it. I'll find a topic I'm interested in, read a bit about it, then something new and shiny will show up and I go off to examine that instead. The result is I know a little about a lot of things but it all adds up to not much of anything. However one of the topics I've never really delved into whatsoever is philosophy. Topics I have read books about though are Religion, Politics and Psychology and what I'm curious about is if there's an overlap? I am not sure you chose the right forum for this discussion. SAL has a Philosophy megathread, and they have just recently taken up this subject, so you might want to start there. It's probably going to lead to a higher rate of useful responses if you do have more questions.
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Thank you very much for that link. I was thinking there was probably a better place to put this.
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