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Take two minutes to research the history of .22 rimfire and tell me what it's 'actually designed for'. It was the cutting edge of self-defense for it's time . Only reason it's dropped off is because rimfires are an outdated design - .25 acp is specifically designed to replicate the ballistics of .22lr in a more reliable rimless centerfire cartridge. The .22 was designed and marketed for self-defense, and it still is, look up .22lr pocket pistols and you'll find plenty. Christ this argument is retarded.
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LeeMajors posted:The designers intent matters because it only magnifies the firearms sole purpose as an instant death machine. quote:When your entertainment is a menace to society, no it is not.
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Oct 2, 2015 20:48
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So someone going after Israeli politicians with .22 LR is no longer considered attempted murder since the round is non lethal, or what?
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Icept posted:So someone going after Israeli politicians with .22 LR is no longer considered attempted murder since the round is non lethal, or what? Lowtax gonna get a visit from the Mossad.
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Oct 2, 2015 21:52
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Terrible arguments like this are part of the reason why we will never succeed in any meaningful gun control for the foreseeable future.
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Oct 2, 2015 22:24
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Dead Reckoning posted:Lowtax gonna get a visit from the Mossad. Gotta admit that made me laugh out loud. Shame the same can't be said for the situation in the two countries.
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Icept posted:So someone going after Israeli politicians with .22 LR is no longer considered attempted murder since the round is non lethal, or what? We just wanted to disable him for an indeterminate amount of time
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Oct 2, 2015 23:18
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theres places in the legs that are lethal to be shot with a .22 with, and the kind of medical care required to fix an arterial tear arent generally available to these stateless prisoners
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2 killed, 2 wounded in Jerusalem attack. Story has been updated since earlier, when it was thought only one person had died. Here's why I'm posting it here, in the I/P+gunchat thread: "A police spokesperson said the attacker, 19-year-old Mohand Halabi from Ramallah, first stabbed the father of the baby and took his gun, which he used to fire at group of nearby tourists until he was neutralized." The only reason Halabi had a firearm instead of being limited to a knife was because someone else was carrying one to make themselves feel safer. Good thing that police detail was right around the corner.
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Oct 4, 2015 05:19
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It's a shame that current smart gun tech is so lacking, and that research into more effective solutions is actively opposed by people on both sides of the gun control debate.
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Oct 4, 2015 07:27
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Absurd Alhazred posted:2 killed, 2 wounded in Jerusalem attack. Story has been updated since earlier, when it was thought only one person had died. A good case against open carry as opposed to concealed. I hope that we can agree that there's little reason for any sides in the debate to defend the right to brandish a lethal ranged weapon in public. Volcott posted:It's a shame that current smart gun tech is so lacking, and that research into more effective solutions is actively opposed by people on both sides of the gun control debate. I'd argue that the NRA are most responsible for the retarding of gun safety technology and studies, but I agree that it's an avenue both sides should support. Mental health checks, tightened safety laws among minors, enforced background checks, bi-monthly manadatory safety classes, and research into new safety mechanisms is a control package that should be uncontroversial for all sides, protect gun rights, and ensure safety for the majority of the populace. This doesn't just apply to America, of course. I/P related; are former members of the IDF allowed to keep any field equipment on discharge? That would result in a frightening number of armed citizens to not have open carry regulations, considering the mandatory draft.
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Oct 4, 2015 19:33
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Neurolimal posted:A good case against open carry as opposed to concealed. I hope that we can agree that there's little reason for any sides in the debate to defend the right to brandish a lethal ranged weapon in public. Anything in the story to suggest that he was brandishing? I think people overstate how concealed "concealed" weapons are. quote:I/P related; are former members of the IDF allowed to keep any field equipment on discharge? That would result in a frightening number of armed citizens to not have open carry regulations, considering the mandatory draft. No, you need to apply for a permit and present a reason to hold any weapon. The closest you can get to this is when you volunteer as a designated parent for a field trip, and they'll lend you out a carbine or something for the duration, if you show them your reserve duty card.
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twodot posted:Arguing about "sole purpose" is also dumb. It's a tool, it can be applied to a lot of purposes. How many purposes can a gun be put to, exactly? Because I can think of 3. 1. Putting bullets in things, whether that's killing people or shooting at targets 2. Displaying the capacity to put bullets in things, whether that's subduing a criminal or needing to feel safe with so many brown people around 3. Shooting into the air, as a signal I'm not a gun enthusiast, so I'm genuinely curious what other purposes a gun can be put to, because I'm drawing a blank.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Anything in the story to suggest that he was brandishing? I think people overstate how concealed "concealed" weapons are. I don't know about brandishing, but that is a good point. I personally believe that if a weapon is readily available to steal then it is not properly concealed, and I believe that concealed carry laws should be applied the same way. The perpetrator was able to identify that he had a gun, and was able to swiftly retrieve it to continue his spree. One or both of these should be rectified (for instance, with more secure holsters; american police holsters are designed so that it is not possible to unholster a gun from any angle but one the wearer is capable of unholstering from). quote:No, you need to apply for a permit and present a reason to hold any weapon. The closest you can get to this is when you volunteer as a designated parent for a field trip, and they'll lend you out a carbine or something for the duration, if you show them your reserve duty card. Fair enough. I appreciate the response.
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Kajeesus posted:How many purposes can a gun be put to, exactly? Because I can think of 3. There aren't any others. But they won't be dissuaded from insisting it is a potentially lethal multitool, like a screwdriver or a leatherman.
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Neurolimal posted:A good case against open carry as opposed to concealed. I hope that we can agree that there's little reason for any sides in the debate to defend the right to brandish a lethal ranged weapon in public. A safety course every other month seems a bit extreme. Guns aren't terribly complicated things. In Connecticut, a 16 hour course covers the following: Responsibility and ethics of hunters Hunting and firearms laws Safe and skillful use of modern firearms Nomenclature of ammunition Introduction to safe and skillful use of muzzleloading firearms Marksmanship and gun handling Introduction to safe and skillful use of bowhunting equipment Wildlife identification Wildlife management Care and use of harvested game First aid and survival Introduction to trapping Wild turkey hunting safety Hunting on water Hunting with gundogs The actual gun safety bit can be boiled down to four bullet points.
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Sure, I was just thinking of how even experienced owners can have poor trigger safety, and how to deal with dangerous scenarios (like having a child around guns, importance of securing weapons, unloading before storage, etc.). So long as it was a reoccuring course I wouldn't care how often it was, so long as it stays fresh in owners' minds
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Kajeesus posted:How many purposes can a gun be put to, exactly? Because I can think of 3.
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Kajeesus posted:How many purposes can a gun be put to, exactly? Because I can think of 3.
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Oct 4, 2015 22:52
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Xander77 posted:Cracking walnuts. I think you mean killing walnuts.
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Oct 4, 2015 23:09
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Xander77 posted:Cracking walnuts. Turning off light bulbs, like Homer Simpson.
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if you try to shoot someone with a target-shooting gun you lose your weapon proficiency bonuses and have to make an improvised weapon roll
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In closing, please donate to my Sons of the Patriots kickstarter.
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twodot posted:There's infinity purposes, though most of them might be stupid. Here's a small collection: an investment vehicle, displayed as art, displayed as having historic significance, held as having personal/family significance, a blunt object to hit things, a walking stick if sufficiently long, there's a variety of things you can put bullets in that aren't people or targets for various reasons. This response to that point is so utterly completely loving insane that I'm fighting down the urge to just scream forever It's so divorced from actual human thought that I feel like maybe Skynet is gaslighting me
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twodot posted:There's infinity purposes, though most of them might be stupid. Here's a small collection: an investment vehicle, displayed as art, displayed as having historic significance, held as having personal/family significance, a blunt object to hit things, a walking stick if sufficiently long, there's a variety of things you can put bullets in that aren't people or targets for various reasons. So by your standards, literally any physical object is a tool?
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Kajeesus posted:So by your standards, literally any physical object is a tool? Personally I trust twodot implicitly to decide what's a tool and what isn't cause it takes one to know one
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So the I/P + gunchat master plan is working about as well can be expected. Does anyone in this thread actually agree with the Israelis using a gun of any caliber for "less-lethal" purposes? Seems we think that it's a bad idea. S-Rank: understand that Euro cops intentionally shooting fleeing suspects in the legs is also bad for the same reason.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Shooting bullets at or into people for any reason is bad whatever size the bullets are. Close thread
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Kajeesus posted:So by your standards, literally any physical object is a tool?
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twodot posted:Yes. Do you have a different definition of tool? You'd make a poo poo anthropologist.
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