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Chucat posted:Can we give Athenian Democracy another try, that was pretty fun (but let women in). With the tech we have it might actually be feasible to construct that kind of direct voting, everyone yelling at each other kind of democracy but i still wouldn't want it. I flat out don't trust the public with that kind of power. And not just to set myself up as agreeing with some of the smarter founding fathers. I've seen public stupidity. It's not that humans are individually idiotic, we're just collectively idiotic. Mobs are one of the scariest things on the planet and i certainly don't want to be ruled by the passions of one.
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Demarchy largely fixes the problems inherent in democracy with lobbying interests etc. Being a politician shouldn't be a career, it should be a public service. At the very least it would make sure that they all didn't attend the same school. That of course assuming full communism isn't possible.
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Effectronica posted:The best political system depends on what you consider best. Misanthropic types, like sex tourists, will consider representative democracy the apex because it significantly impedes the populace from having political power while retaining an illusion of them having a say. Violent and vindictive people will prefer dictatorships, which institutionalize the opportunity for them to exercise their desires. I think a misanthropic and misogynistic rich male would find "The Handmaid's Tale" to be the pinnacle of political systems actually. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Sep 27, 2015 |
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Chucat posted:Can we give Athenian Democracy another try, that was pretty fun (but let women in).
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Sep 27, 2015 03:15
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roman republic but with even more frequent and violent pleb riots
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Chucat posted:Can we give Athenian Democracy another try, that was pretty fun (but let women in). Actually ostracism could be a great idea.
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Sep 27, 2015 06:52
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All things considered, the Illuminati aren't doing a bad job running the world. So, I'm gonna go with NWO. Maybe minus the depopulation program, but we're talking "best" political system so I'll accept that as a few broken eggs.
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My specific pet version of Communism and every other Communist in the thread is a Kulak saboteur and needs to be sent to labor camps.
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I have formed the Peoples' Workers Marxist Party, not to be confused with the Working Peoples Marxist Party. The former is made up of ideologically impure class enemies and their leader Frank is a dickhole with stupid dreadlocks. My Communist party is the only one and true Communist party. We have a blog and a newsletter. We are the vanguard of the revolution. We are the future. *majors in Philosophy, posts long-winded rants on Facebook about how Bernie Sanders is an evil capitalist traitor, hasn't bathed in 9 days*
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Sergg posted:Is a Spark Freundschaft, Genosse! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ieyxOdxQU0
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Demarchy in old Venice posted:”Thirty members of the Great Council, chosen by lot, were reduced by lot to nine; the nine chose forty and the forty were reduced by lot to twelve, who chose twenty-five. The twenty-five were reduced by lot to nine and the nine elected forty-five. Then the forty-five were once more reduced by lot to eleven, and the eleven finally chose the forty-one who actually elected the doge."  As an uneducated pleb, this thread was the first time I've heard of Demarchy. Goddamn, Venice.
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Sergg posted:I have formed the Peoples' Workers Marxist Party, not to be confused with the Working Peoples Marxist Party. The former is made up of ideologically impure class enemies and their leader Frank is a dickhole with stupid dreadlocks. My Communist party is the only one and true Communist party. We have a blog and a newsletter. We are the vanguard of the revolution. We are the future. Don't doxx me please
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Shbobdb posted:All things considered, the Illuminati aren't doing a bad job running the world. So, I'm gonna go with NWO. Maybe minus the depopulation program, but we're talking "best" political system so I'll accept that as a few broken eggs. But what is
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Vagon posted:the eleven finally chose the forty-one who actually elected the doge Dogeocracy. Much government. Wow. Dogs would actually be more loyal, more friendly, and no less stupid than most of the Tea Party wave, so if not best, an improvement.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:I think a misanthropic and misogynistic rich male would find "The Handmaid's Tale" to be the pinnacle of political systems actually. Only if they're stupid and think that people don't react to being directly oppressed. No, if you want a political system that really feeds your hatred of all your fellow man, you've got to go for one that leaves them powerless while telling them they're in charge.
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Effectronica posted:Only if they're stupid and think that people don't react to being directly oppressed. No, if you want a political system that really feeds your hatred of all your fellow man, you've got to go for one that leaves them powerless while telling them they're in charge. American democracy best democracy!
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Effectronica posted:if you want a political system that really feeds your hatred of all your fellow man, you've got to go for one that leaves them powerless while telling them they're in charge. We live in a representative democracy where hierarchy produces unequal representation (not everyone is equal, nor created equal), and where most people don't even care to make themselves represented, so they aren't. E: The problem is not with government, it is with people. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Sep 28, 2015 |
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EvilGenius posted:Politics has always infuriated me, as it seems to be largely based on ideology and intuition, rather than evidence. Example - in the UK, there are certain conditions you have to meet in order to claim unemployment benefit. If you fail to turn up at the job centre, or an appointed interview, you can have your payments temporarily stopped. good points but even poo poo like say abstinence sex education, I knew a dude that preferred it because for him lower rates of sex was preferable to lower rates of pregnancy or STIs. so many factors
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Capitalism and colonialism, for all their faults, have arguably raised the average standard of living faster than any other system to date. Australia went from stone-age to first world in the blink of an eye.
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LookingGodIntheEye posted:You're probated so it's not like you're going to be able to respond, but this assumes people actually want power. For your average citizen, representative democracy requires the least amount of involvement with government, at least compared to authoritarian governments or participatory democracy. and that's why universal skeletonization is the only way to solve all world problems
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PlantHead posted:I always like the idea of a national lottery, where every year x number of lucky/unlucky members of the public get to be in parliament. This but with an AI assisting them in the serious nuts and bolts of policy and with the power to quietly override the lottery winners and everyone is none the wiser because they just defer to the natural flow of automation and institutional inertia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsP_LPsTxp8
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tumblr.txt posted:Capitalism and colonialism, for all their faults, have arguably raised the average standard of living faster than any other system to date. Australia went from stone-age to first world in the blink of an eye. reminded me of this, except youre not joking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVTXFsHYLKA
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While a benevolent dictatorship would be the best at achieving progress and addressing inequality the problem is, assuming you manage to get him to power and keep him from being assassinated what happens when he naturally dies? Looking back at world history very rarely was an excellent king succeeded by another great king, most of the time you got a mediocre son in power or even worse, a complete nut and then you're stuck with a murderous bastard for god know how many decades. I can't even think of any 3 consecutive great kings apart of the Five Good Emperors. The point is you can't guarantee a new benevolent dictator will always be on the line for succession and when that fails you're hosed. So I guess we're stuck with the current oligarchies and hope they don't gently caress the rest of us to the point we're forced into another head cutting extravaganza before we come up with a Culture-like AI. e: Nathilus posted:Wahlah. 
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tumblr.txt posted:Capitalism and colonialism, for all their faults, have arguably raised the average standard of living faster than any other system to date. Australia went from stone-age to first world in the blink of an eye. Well, the white folk who moved there were already first world. The natives advanced from Stone Age to the grave.
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EvilGenius posted:Politics has always infuriated me, as it seems to be largely based on ideology and intuition, rather than evidence. Example - in the UK, there are certain conditions you have to meet in order to claim unemployment benefit. If you fail to turn up at the job centre, or an appointed interview, you can have your payments temporarily stopped. I haven't been taking this thread seriously, but I do find it important to address this post. Evidence-based policymaking is actually one of the few issues that has bipartisan support in the United States. Everyone from the Heritage Foundation to President Obama agree that more needs to be done to evaluate the effectiveness of government programs. Its really a win-win for Democrats and Republicans. For Democrats, evidence-based policymaking promises to give them hard numbers which they can use to promote reforms to existing social welfare programs. For Republicans, evidence-based policymaking allows them to more accurately target their government cuts. While in theory, everyone can support these measures, practically it tends to be a little more complicated. Data and research agencies tend to get tarred by their subject matter, turning what are intended to be non-partisan institutions into partisan issues, especially for the Republican Party. This fact is most evident in climate research and gun crime. For the Republican Party's base, it is difficult to distinguish between legislation that sets out funds to evaluate extreme weather events and legislation that commits the United States to combating climate change. They see a few buzzwords, believe that their lawmakers are conceding to the Democratic Party, and have a conniption. This reaction, in turn, discourages Congressional members from supporting policy research, which can be construed as them not being "conservative enough." The House recently passed H.R. 1831, The Evidence-Based Policymaking Commission Act, which forms a 15-member commission to "study how to integrate this data and use it to perform evaluations that could help policymakers improve programs" but, assuming the Senate passes the bill, it is difficult to imagine this board affecting the situation. Any recommendation would almost certainly entail specialization, which in turn primes voters. Short of hiding research-based policymaking inside of a larger appropriations bill, an act which is already being used to defund these institutions, I don't know how you can resolve the problem in today's Congress. As for the proposals in the thread, they are, almost without exception, totally divorced from reality. I can't tell which people are making serious proposals, which people are disguising their serious proposals as ironic jokes, and which people are just joking. Regardless, there seems to be an unstated assumption that there is a universal "best political system." I don't think that has been established. The "best political system" is going to depend on the social, geographic, and economic circumstances of whatever group is being governed. The "best political system" will also depend on whatever qualities are being prioritized, which no one has said outright yet. Should a government represent the views of the public, refine them, or ignore them? Are we putting value on responsiveness and undiluted policy or stability and compromise? Is government even the political endgame for the purposes of discussion, or will states, as we know them, cease to exist in the next fifty years? The question needs to be better defined before it can be answered.
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Thump! posted:Well, the white folk who moved there were already first world. The natives advanced from Stone Age to the grave. There are about 700,000 of them. twice as many as pre-settlement.
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Thump! posted:Well, the white folk who moved there were already first world. The natives advanced from Stone Age to the grave. Yet more pointless death created by capitalism. Thankfully, the irrefutable science of marxism-leninism can save everyone. rudatron fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Sep 29, 2015 |
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rudatron posted:Little known fact: Aboriginal Tasmanians were subject to one of the worlds first full blown genocides, to the point where there are no living identifiable individuals descending solely from that population - anyone who can trace themselves back usually does so to women abducted. I couldnt agree more.
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To answer your question, OP, the best political system is in fact ascetic monasticism, I hope my answer helps you in your further ponderings of the problem, goodbye.
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QuoProQuid posted:I can't tell which people are making serious proposals, which people are disguising their serious proposals as ironic jokes, and which people are just joking. Regardless...  I generally totally get and agree with what you are saying, but that came out of left field.
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Distributivist Liberation Theocracy. hth, close thread.
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rudatron posted:Thankfully, the irrefutable Trent posted:I generally totally get and agree with what you are saying, but that came out of left field. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Sep 30, 2015 |
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If you have a car that runs on human blood, is it moral to want it to drive well?
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LookingGodIntheEye posted:Maybe not states, but maybe branches of government. If you could actually empirically test for the best policy implementations is it necessary for every Representative and Senator to vote on pieces of legislation? Especially when ACA and Dodd-Frank contained many provisions that were tailored to specialists and not your average Congressman. well under a best government there wont be people so no it's not necessary for anyone to be involved, any decisions made, or any policies implemented
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Bro Dad posted:Socialism (anything to do with it) National Socialism too, eh?....*rubs hands*
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