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"i told obama not to remove so many troops from iraq." "we've seen this movie before"
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Oct 7, 2015 15:21
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He looks pretty drat old these days I can only imagine the presidency would have killed him.
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Oct 7, 2015 15:42
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Obama really shouldn't have removed troops from Iraq though.
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Oct 7, 2015 17:00
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reignofevil posted:He looks pretty drat old these days I can only imagine the presidency would have killed him. you betcha
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Oct 7, 2015 18:40
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Miltank posted:Obama really shouldn't have removed troops from Iraq though. It wasn't really up to him unless you think it would have been tolerable to Congress to give Iraqi authorities jurisdiction over crimes committed by American soldiers.
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Oct 7, 2015 21:34
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Helsing posted:It wasn't really up to him unless you think it would have been tolerable to Congress to give Iraqi authorities jurisdiction over crimes committed by American soldiers. P much. Obama didn't remove troops out of the goodness of his heart, Iraq's puppetheads were growing enough of a spine to consider punishing american troops for assassinating random people and good samaritans/ER officials and Blackwater for filling random cars with lead and raping ppl
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John "Blackwater Did Nothing Wrong" Mccain
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Miltank posted:Obama really shouldn't have removed troops from Iraq though. Bush shouldn't have put them there.
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Oct 8, 2015 02:51
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cant wait for  to reinvade iraq
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TEAYCHES posted:cant wait for Iraq has just to regressed back to the small special forces/advisors stage of military involvement.
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Oct 10, 2015 00:52
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Wherein we fail to understand what "quagmire" really means
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Oct 10, 2015 01:37
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US presidents never watched The Princess Bride
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MODS CURE JOKES posted:Wherein we fail to understand what "quagmire" really means
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Oct 10, 2015 02:24
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why doesn't mccain just replace boehner?
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Oct 10, 2015 02:43
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he already took office in IToldYouTown, and the reason boehner is leaving is to take up a position as sheriff
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Harald posted:why doesn't mccain just replace boehner? Because McCain is a Senator. Not that that means he's disallowed from being the House Speaker, just that there's never been a Speaker who wasn't a House Representative.
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Thump! posted:Because McCain is a Senator. Cut out the middle men and just make the Koch bros co-speakers
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Lord of Pie posted:Cut out the middle men and just make the Koch bros gently caress it, might as well drop all pretenses. Let's put the goddamned Patricians in charge for realzies.
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Thump! posted:gently caress it, might as well drop all pretenses. Let's put the goddamned Patricians in charge for realzies. Let's go full Roman and make them pay for public works out of their own pockets.
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Oct 10, 2015 20:08
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Thump! posted:gently caress it, might as well drop all pretenses. Let's put the goddamned Patricians in charge for realzies. also have the client system.
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Oct 10, 2015 20:10
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reignofevil posted:He looks pretty drat old these days I can only imagine the presidency would have killed him. point of return posted:you betcha  what could have been.
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hubris.height posted:he already took office in IToldYouTown, and the reason boehner is leaving is to take up a position as sheriff It's McCain's fault Boehner's out of a job and the country's (even more) broken, considering he lit the fuse of the tea party when he picked Sarah Palin and the base went all Frankenstein's Monster.
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Reminder that McCain really wanted to pick Lieberman but was convinced not to do so by his advisors.
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Neurolimal posted:P much. Obama didn't remove troops out of the goodness of his heart, Iraq's puppetheads were growing enough of a spine to consider punishing american troops for assassinating random people and good samaritans/ER officials and Blackwater for filling random cars with lead and raping ppl Eh, it's maybe not all that simple. I had to watch Obama's own spokesmen admitting that he barley even tried to keep troops there in Frontine "Losing Iraq" to believe it, but I think he could have gotten around this if he wanted to, but he really just wanted end the war at all costs. Now we see what the costs were and I think he chose wrong. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/losing-iraq/
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Base Camp Blanket posted:Reminder that McCain really wanted to pick Lieberman but was convinced not to do so by his advisors. While it was viewed at the time as an awful pick and it quickly became an ever-developing media disaster; her long standing support from the conservative base is somewhat impressive. Palin has never actually done anything and yet she is still remembered occasionally today as someone who would have been competent and capable (by lunatics mind you). It would be like walking into a room with a thousand actresses and picking out the next Paris Hilton and then having a third of a third of the country actually begin to obsessively follow the details of the actresses life. I doubt Lieberman would be as fondly remembered today.
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reignofevil posted:I doubt Lieberman would be as fondly remembered today. I can't think of any circumstances where Lieberman would ever be fondly remembered tbf
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Oct 11, 2015 13:38
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breaklaw posted:Now we see what the costs were and I think he chose wrong. Our alternative was spending trillions in perpetuity to cork it up.
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Accretionist posted:Our alternative was spending trillions in perpetuity to cork it up. I won't pretend that being forced to clean up the giant mess was in any way fair to Obama but our country definitely broke it so we probably shoulda actually bought it.
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reignofevil posted:I won't pretend that being forced to clean up the giant mess was in any way fair to Obama but our country definitely broke it so we probably shoulda actually bought it. Do you think we're even capable of fixing it? If the Bush years taught me anything, it's that we have no capacity for nation building.
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Oct 11, 2015 19:17
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Accretionist posted:Do you think we're even capable of fixing it? If the Bush years taught me anything, it's that we have no capacity for nation building. I believe we could do it..... hypothetically. I will admit the likelihood of making the changes required (actually holding our own forces accountable for both their behavior and their efficiency) is pretty much nil. So I guess on a philosophical level we should have paid for it. But the selfish thing might have been the only realistic outcome because of the thrice damned republicans.
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Oct 11, 2015 19:33
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breaklaw posted:I think he chose wrong. Let me tell you a secret about war: If you don't get it right in the first 10 years, ITS NEVER GOING TO loving HAPPEN! What a stupid thing to even say. Hey remember that war that wasn't going anywhere? We should have continued wasting lives, material, and money in the off chance that somehow we could have gotten it right. I am not a fan of forever war.
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Reminder that a part of the reason we made any peace at all with our occupation was that we literally ethnically cleansed the country; think trail of tears, but with various muslim sects. It wasn't a long-term solution. Also Iraq fell apart because we didn't establish a new government that could actually fend itself. The vast majority of political and military leaders were traitors and informants for us during the saddam regime, awarded high positions for the powerful skill of having no spine. Useful for fast-tracking the construction of US bases and a mcdonalds, awful for defending anything or listening to their own people.
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Pity he didn't tell Bush not to send so many there to begin with.
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reignofevil posted:I doubt Lieberman would be as fondly remembered today. in a sea of poo poo, lieberman is a festering bolus of rat semen
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Miltank posted:Obama really shouldn't have removed troops from Iraq though. Neurolimal posted:Reminder that a part of the reason we made any peace at all with our occupation was that we literally ethnically cleansed the country; think trail of tears, but with various muslim sects. It wasn't a long-term solution.
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another key element that was missing from our ""nation-building"" is that we really needed way more troops on the ground than we ever had the initial invasion of iraq, for example, was based on the premise that all we had to do was kick in the door, topple Saddam, and the freedom-loving Iraqis would joyously build a new democracy. we never had a proper occupation force in place. of course we should never have gone there in the first place
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Mr. Pumroy posted:
there was a non zero chance that sarah palin could have been president of the usa loving lol. i imagine that at this point in her reign she would either be impeached or warlady of the toxic wastes of america Accretionist posted:Do you think we're even capable of fixing it? If the Bush years taught me anything, it's that we have no capacity for nation building. before iraq the us actually had an amazing track record in nation building. japan, germany, south korea, those were all huge successes. but no at that point it was basically unfixable because removing the baathists from the government was the one thing they should have never, ever done if they wanted a functioning state (coincidentally also the thing they pointededly avoided doing in all those other countries i mentioned! who could have known this incredibly obvious fact??) babypolis has issued a correction as of 18:42 on Oct 19, 2015 |
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SedanChair posted:mccain would have been hospitalized for "exhaustion" the first time he tried to order a nuclear strike on russia (jan 25 2009) Oh, so you think he'd have entered office on a mellow note, then.
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