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Pharmaskittle
Dec 17, 2007

arf arf put the money in the fuckin bag

Cast_No_Shadow posted:

Isn't the apple thing because back in the day pretty much all fruit was called apple so you gotta differentiate somehow.

Yeah like the direct translation for potato in French is earth apple. Naming stuff back in the day must've been just "uhh I don't fucken know, it art a juicy rock"

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PiratePing
Jan 3, 2007

queck

Pharmaskittle posted:

Yeah like the direct translation for potato in French is earth apple. Naming stuff back in the day must've been just "uhh I don't fucken know, it art a juicy rock"

It's because "apple" was originally the general term for "fruit", including nuts. Pine cones used to be called pineapples, then the meaning was taken over by a weird fruit that looked like a pineapple and they had to come up with something new.

deadly_pudding
May 13, 2009

who the fuck is scraeming
"LOG OFF" at my house.
show yourself, coward.
i will never log off
Anecdotally, I eat like poo poo most days because I'm terribly lazy and I love cheese, but I also work out and eat incredibly :effort: spinach and arugula salads for lunch about half of days, which I like to imagine balances it out a little. If you wanna envision what that looks like, I'm basically a fat lard with relatively jacked arms and good blood pressure :v:

I'm in relatively good health for my weight, but if I'm being real I should probably drop like 100 lbs if I wanna come out the other side of my 40s without some kind of serious medical issue. I actually drop weight pretty easily if I just do what I'm doing, but cut out carbs, but it's really easy for any given person in my life to convince me that I can have a cheat day, which usually turns into like a cheat 6 months because I'm the worst.

Anyway, the real reason why people who eat like nothing but pizza, chicken nuggs, and supermarket bread keep living their lives is because they're still getting protein and fat to keep their body in construction materials, and basically all mass-produced bread and grain products, especially cereals, are sprayed down with some kinda vitamin&mineral solution. You end up with enough nutrients to get by, but it's all being carried by foods that are extremely calorie-dense. Also, they probably aren't getting enough fiber. The rest just kinda comes down to factors like genetics and luck, regarding congestive heart issues or the type-2 diabetes.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Pharmaskittle posted:

Yeah like the direct translation for potato in French is earth apple. Naming stuff back in the day must've been just "uhh I don't fucken know, it art a juicy rock"

Potatoes are at least understandable because what the gently caress it's some kind of weird fruit that grows underground that we have never seen before, and the colour and texture is not dissimilar from apples.

ShadowCatboy
Jan 22, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
I'm trying to drop about 10 pounds just so my abs can really pop and basically I'm reducing the amount of fats and carbs I eat and supplementing the void with a lot of asparagus and edamame: very fibrous, protein-rich, and filling.

It vacillates between being kinda miserable and craving culinary excitement, and "meh I can do this I guess."

deadly_pudding
May 13, 2009

who the fuck is scraeming
"LOG OFF" at my house.
show yourself, coward.
i will never log off

ShadowCatboy posted:

It vacillates between being kinda miserable and craving culinary excitement, and "meh I can do this I guess."

This was me when I spent like 6 months on a really strict keto diet. Yeah, I lost like 50 pounds. But I'm not sure if it was worth ruining bacon forever :(

If I go back on keto I'm gonna have to make some fuckin rules, because my girlfriend's solution to that conundrum was "replace carbs with bacon, I can't believe this is working." I could definitely go the rest of my life without ever coming into contact with bacon or bacon-flavored foods again and be very happy.

ShadowCatboy
Jan 22, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

deadly_pudding posted:

This was me when I spent like 6 months on a really strict keto diet. Yeah, I lost like 50 pounds. But I'm not sure if it was worth ruining bacon forever :(

If I go back on keto I'm gonna have to make some fuckin rules, because my girlfriend's solution to that conundrum was "replace carbs with bacon, I can't believe this is working." I could definitely go the rest of my life without ever coming into contact with bacon or bacon-flavored foods again and be very happy.

Try doing what I do with edamame and asparagus and other vegetables that are high in protein and/or fiber while being low in carbs. It fills you up way more so you actually end up eating less.

I've also had to train myself to not stuff myself silly, but it's incredibly hard. It's so tempting to eat out of boredom rather than hunger.

Gaz2k21
Sep 1, 2006

MEGALA---WHO??!!??

deadly_pudding posted:

This was me when I spent like 6 months on a really strict keto diet. Yeah, I lost like 50 pounds. But I'm not sure if it was worth ruining bacon forever :(

If I go back on keto I'm gonna have to make some fuckin rules, because my girlfriend's solution to that conundrum was "replace carbs with bacon, I can't believe this is working." I could definitely go the rest of my life without ever coming into contact with bacon or bacon-flavored foods again and be very happy.

What is the big thing about Bacon for people that go on low carb diets?? I know it's loving delicious but then so is chicken/turkey/steak or pretty much every meat

Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go

Gaz2k21 posted:

What is the big thing about Bacon for people that go on low carb diets?? I know it's loving delicious but then so is chicken/turkey/steak or pretty much every meat

I think because for so many other diets that are based on the low-fat nutrition trend, bacon represents evil fatty food that you want but cannot have because it's full of evil fat. This is the extreme reaction to all those diets, so you can gleefully eat bacon all day every day while laughing at the poor schmucks crying over their lettuce.

A healthier way of thinking would be that bacon is one of your options but you are not required to eat it all the time, and in fact would benefit more from eating a variety of low-carb, high protein foods, but that is not as easy to sell. EAT BACON WHENEVER YOU WANT is. This kind of black and white extreme thinking is promoted by the diet industry because then if you fail to lose weight or stick with the diet, it's not because their methods are flawed but because you didn't follow them perfectly. If you had just followed them faithfully, you would be a svelte god/goddess by now.

Chas McGill
Oct 29, 2010

loves Fat Philippe
Eating that much bacon is probably rally bad for you in terms of the salt content. I just ate a full Scottish breakfast with black pudding and lorne sausage so can't judge though.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Not sure I could handle bacon every day because jesus christ the saltiness.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

after a week of that you gotta pretty much be leaving a snail trail of rancid grease everywhere you go too

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
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THUNDERDOME
My girlfriend has been going steady with some hosed up new diet for a month or so. I'm tired of her considering my cooking "cheat days" so if anybody knows how I can cook gluten-free vegan for her without killing us both, I'd appreciate it. At this point she's mostly been drinking straight up vegetable and fruit juices for a week, but now she's at least eating solid foods once per day.

I don't consider myself a picky eater but I'm drawing a blank. I could just throw vegetables into a pan every time but that's hardly a romantic meal.

Deltasquid fucked around with this message at 09:47 on May 9, 2016

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin
Jul 19, 2000


Oven Wrangler

Deltasquid posted:

My girlfriend has been going steady with some hosed up new diet for a month or so. I'm tired of her considering my cooking "cheat days" so if anybody knows how I can cook gluten-free vegan for her without killing us both, I'd appreciate it. At this point she's mostly been drinking straight up vegetable and fruit juices for a week, but now she's at least eating solid foods once per day.

I don't consider myself a picky eater but I'm drawing a blank. I could just throw vegetables into a pan every time but that's hardly a romantic meal.
You could probably get some good mileage out of vegetable curry, I guess? Chana masala, aloo mattar, and saag aloo all taste pretty good and can be made vegan / gluten free.

froglet
Nov 12, 2009

You see, the best way to Stop the Boats is a massive swarm of autonomous armed dogs. Strafing a few boats will stop the rest and save many lives in the long term.

You can't make an Omelet without breaking a few eggs. Vote Greens.

Deltasquid posted:

My girlfriend has been going steady with some hosed up new diet for a month or so. I'm tired of her considering my cooking "cheat days" so if anybody knows how I can cook gluten-free vegan for her without killing us both, I'd appreciate it. At this point she's mostly been drinking straight up vegetable and fruit juices for a week, but now she's at least eating solid foods once per day.

I don't consider myself a picky eater but I'm drawing a blank. I could just throw vegetables into a pan every time but that's hardly a romantic meal.

If you're worried about B-vitamins (which you should be because most of the complex B-vitamins are only found in animal products) you could cook food with nutritional yeast since it's vegan and is often fortified with B12. Something like these black bean enchiladas - it looks palatable for both vegans and normals animal-murderers.

deadly_pudding
May 13, 2009

who the fuck is scraeming
"LOG OFF" at my house.
show yourself, coward.
i will never log off
I'm not trying to defend eating Too Much Bacon (tm). It's no way to live your life, son. You do start losing weight once your body burns through its carb stores and switches gears, though. In my defense, I mostly ate salad, eggs, and like actual meat when it was up to me, which is probably the other secret of that diet; you can't exactly snack if you're only allowed to eat vegetables and protein sources, and the protein in particular is good at making you feel not hungry. We're probably gonna go back on the diet this year because it works, but I gotta put my foot down about the bacon.

I don't know how you come out the other end of a keto diet still liking bacon, but my girlfriend and my other buddy who was doing it for longer than we were still have like a cartoonish love for salted pork.

Namarrgon
Dec 23, 2008

Congratulations on not getting fit in 2011!
I remember a study that compared weight loss on low-carb to weight loss on normal food and if you compensated for the lower number of calories people eat on low carb (due to no loving candy snacks) it didn't matter what you did.

So I guess the secret is don't snack.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Namarrgon posted:

I remember a study that compared weight loss on low-carb to weight loss on normal food and if you compensated for the lower number of calories people eat on low carb (due to no loving candy snacks) it didn't matter what you did.

So I guess the secret is don't snack.

Alternatively: always snack (on things that aren't just empty calories) and don't have full meals. That way, you never feel really really hungry, since you just eat a little something every few hours.

Masonity
Dec 31, 2007

What, I wonder, does this hidden face of madness reveal of the makers? These K'Chain Che'Malle?

Deltasquid posted:

My girlfriend has been going steady with some hosed up new diet for a month or so. I'm tired of her considering my cooking "cheat days" so if anybody knows how I can cook gluten-free vegan for her without killing us both, I'd appreciate it. At this point she's mostly been drinking straight up vegetable and fruit juices for a week, but now she's at least eating solid foods once per day.

I don't consider myself a picky eater but I'm drawing a blank. I could just throw vegetables into a pan every time but that's hardly a romantic meal.

My veggie burger recipe might be vegan and gluten free convertible... It uses gram flour (thats gluton free right?) and you can skip the breadcrumbs, make your own from toasted gluten free bread or replace with coarsely chopped nuts (I might have to try that myself!) and use humous instead of sour cream for hers? Obviously serve in a gluten free bum.

quote:


Boil 100g red lentils for 10 minutes with a hand full of frozen corn.
Chop an onion and a few garlic cloves, fry them with a large or two small grated carrots, juice of 1 lemon and a ton of paprika.
Bake 1 large or 2 small sweet potatoes in skin for 45 minutes.


Cut the sweet potato and scrape the flesh out. Mix with all of the rest of the above then refrigerate until cold.

Once cold add 3 table spoons of bread crumbs and around 5 table spoons of gram flour.

Mix, adding more flour if it seems too wet, then fry, flip, fry. Delicious in a seedy bun with lettuce and sour cream & chive.


I usually use an egg to bind but it should hold without just treat it carefully.

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME

Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:

You could probably get some good mileage out of vegetable curry, I guess? Chana masala, aloo mattar, and saag aloo all taste pretty good and can be made vegan / gluten free.

Thanks. I'm going to try these once. I guess I could also make ratatouilles?

froglet posted:

If you're worried about B-vitamins (which you should be because most of the complex B-vitamins are only found in animal products) you could cook food with nutritional yeast since it's vegan and is often fortified with B12. Something like these black bean enchiladas - it looks palatable for both vegans and normals animal-murderers.

Thanks, I was wondering about B-vitamins actually. I had to look up what nutritional yeast even is. In typical Belgian tradition, this kind of bio stuff is barely available. Hopefully one of the two only bio stores in my university town have it.

EDIT: ^^ thanks, that does sound tasty! I barely even know what things are gluten-free but it's not a medical condition, so I have leeway.

Deltasquid fucked around with this message at 17:57 on May 9, 2016

Chas McGill
Oct 29, 2010

loves Fat Philippe
Look for 'engevita'. It's a Czech brand or something that I buy here in the UK. I'm not vegan or even vegetarian but I like putting it on toast and stuff.


On topic - I've been eating these almost every day:

They're rowies (or butteries). Basically like compressed, fatty croissants. I could not do low carb.

Chas McGill fucked around with this message at 17:57 on May 9, 2016

ShadowCatboy
Jan 22, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

Deltasquid posted:

My girlfriend has been going steady with some hosed up new diet for a month or so. I'm tired of her considering my cooking "cheat days" so if anybody knows how I can cook gluten-free vegan for her without killing us both, I'd appreciate it. At this point she's mostly been drinking straight up vegetable and fruit juices for a week, but now she's at least eating solid foods once per day.

I don't consider myself a picky eater but I'm drawing a blank. I could just throw vegetables into a pan every time but that's hardly a romantic meal.

Do either one of you have celiac disease? Otherwise what is with the gluten free thing.

teenytinymouse
Aug 3, 2005

I'm Shannon and I'm the biggest Idiot Ever!

Some people enjoy paying 3x the odds for staple food items in return for literally no health benefits.

Continue feeding your gf real food please.

I have ceoliac, so I guess I can actually help with one half of the problem. I eat a lot of rice. You can do a good veggie chilli with lots of beans, or tomato-based sauces for gluten free pasta if you can find it. Most soups or stews that need a roux to start them can be done with vegetable oil instead of butter and gluten free flour or you can use a cornflour slurry to thicken them at the end of the cooking process. You can make risotto without butter or cheese, it will be a sad risotto but it's still a real food. I honestly can't think of anything else I make that doesn't involve dairy or eggs, sorry.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Namarrgon posted:

I remember a study that compared weight loss on low-carb to weight loss on normal food and if you compensated for the lower number of calories people eat on low carb (due to no loving candy snacks) it didn't matter what you did.

So I guess the secret is don't snack.

All of the diets that work for weight loss work at least in part, if not wholly due to calorie restriction. There might be some truth to things that are spouted as part of the diet program (low carb diet reduces insulin levels, intermittent fasting allows access to fat stores you can't normally etc.) but really it's just reducing calories:

Low Carb: No sugary snacks, no energy dense carby sides (bread, pasta, rice)
Intermittent Fasting: You can't eat as much food in 8 hours as you can by eating all day
Paleo: Basically the same as low carb with a few differences, still cutting out energy dense refined carbs
Raw Food: Uncooked foods are have less bio available calories, so you are getting less energy out of the same amount of food

Bobbie Wickham
Apr 13, 2008

by Smythe

Deltasquid posted:

My girlfriend has been going steady with some hosed up new diet for a month or so. I'm tired of her considering my cooking "cheat days" so if anybody knows how I can cook gluten-free vegan for her without killing us both, I'd appreciate it. At this point she's mostly been drinking straight up vegetable and fruit juices for a week, but now she's at least eating solid foods once per day.

I don't consider myself a picky eater but I'm drawing a blank. I could just throw vegetables into a pan every time but that's hardly a romantic meal.

Fagioli all'uccelletto is an easy recipe, and you can dress it up with things like sliced zucchini and cooked quinoa.

ShadowCatboy posted:

Do either one of you have celiac disease? Otherwise what is with the gluten free thing.

teenytinymouse posted:

Some people enjoy paying 3x the odds for staple food items in return for literally no health benefits.

Basically this; there's no point in being gluten-free if you're not gluten-sensitive/intolerant. It sounds like she's doing it to reduce her carb intake, but I'll bet she's just eating different carbs and if that's the case, there's no benefit to being gluten-free. Plus a lot of gluten-free foods have more fat, sugar, and additives than regular wheat/rye/oat products, and they're just as processed as regular products. If she's worried about her carbohydrate intake, she should focus on cutting down on all carbs (pasta, bread, potatoes, rice, etc.) in general, and choose whole grain products.

Being gluten-free is expensive and it sucks. I can actually digest gluten without a problem, but the starches in wheat, oats and rye are a problem for me; all of my baking these days revolves around gluten-free stuff, and it's hard to get right, as well as expensive. I picked up some vital wheat gluten so I can experiment with making non-wheat yeast rolls that will actually feel like proper bread. (A friend of mine is gluten-sensitive, and is really excited to see if I succeed.)

Captain Bravo
Feb 16, 2011

An Emergency Shitpost
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...but experts warn it is
just a drop in the ocean.
Have you tried cooking with Cassava flour? It's supposed to be gluten-free, and I've had almost no problems in my recipes with substituting Cassava for Wheat. It makes great pizza crust! :thumbsup:

Sic Semper Goon
Mar 1, 2015

Eu tu?

:zaurg:

Switchblade Switcharoo

teenytinymouse posted:

Some people enjoy paying 3x the odds for staple food items in return for literally no health benefits.

My co-workers remarked that it's astonishing how "gluten intolerance" only seems to affect white women from 13 to 60 (with the exception of inner city yuppies of either gender).

We worked at a bakery, so we got asked about gluten at least 3 times a day.

But, that is simply the way that it is. If they want to impose arbitrary restrictions on their diet, that is their own affair.

Slime
Jan 3, 2007
A friend of mine has coeliac's, so he's pretty happy about this gluten free craze because it gives him more things he can eat. He does also wish he could just eat some regular loving cheap bread though.

teenytinymouse
Aug 3, 2005

I'm Shannon and I'm the biggest Idiot Ever!

Slime posted:

A friend of mine has coeliac's, so he's pretty happy about this gluten free craze because it gives him more things he can eat. He does also wish he could just eat some regular loving cheap bread though.

I swing between being grateful for increased range and infuriated that people are doing this to themselves on purpose when all I want is a decent pizza sometimes and bread that doesn't crumble in your hands :argh:

SqueePower
May 25, 2006
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Non-celiac gluten sensitivity is a loving joke and it rips my sails when soft fuckers complain about what comes out of their butt when they haven't looked at any kind of foliage ever.

Fragrag
Aug 3, 2007
The Worst Admin Ever bashes You in the head with his banhammer. It is smashed into the body, an unrecognizable mass! You have been struck down.

Deltasquid posted:

Thanks, I was wondering about B-vitamins actually. I had to look up what nutritional yeast even is. In typical Belgian tradition, this kind of bio stuff is barely available. Hopefully one of the two only bio stores in my university town have

Which town do you live in? I can guess some places in Ghent that will have it but Ghent is like Flemish center of hipsters. Maybe at an Albert Heijn, they have a sizeable selection of bio/gluten-free poo poo.

Of course, you can just use gluten stuff and not tell your girlfriend. :v:

Helith
Nov 5, 2009

Basket of Adorables


Deltasquid posted:


Thanks, I was wondering about B-vitamins actually. I had to look up what nutritional yeast even is. In typical Belgian tradition, this kind of bio stuff is barely available. Hopefully one of the two only bio stores in my university town have it.

Can you get Marmite in Belgium? That's a good source for B12 and should be available in a supermarket rather than a specialist shop. It's good to cook with, just bung a spoonful into a sauce and it'll add an umami saltiness. Also good as a spread on whatever bread or cracker substitute you use. Just go easy on it as it packs a punch.

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME

ShadowCatboy posted:

Do either one of you have celiac disease? Otherwise what is with the gluten free thing.

No. the reason is


teenytinymouse posted:

Some people enjoy paying 3x the odds for staple food items in return for literally no health benefits.


Fragrag posted:

Which town do you live in? I can guess some places in Ghent that will have it but Ghent is like Flemish center of hipsters. Maybe at an Albert Heijn, they have a sizeable selection of bio/gluten-free poo poo.

Of course, you can just use gluten stuff and not tell your girlfriend. :v:

It's Leuven. After googling I found some bio stores here, but I haven't looked into nutritional yeast yet.


Helith posted:

Can you get Marmite in Belgium? That's a good source for B12 and should be available in a supermarket rather than a specialist shop. It's good to cook with, just bung a spoonful into a sauce and it'll add an umami saltiness. Also good as a spread on whatever bread or cracker substitute you use. Just go easy on it as it packs a punch.

Are you British? There is no market for marmite in Belgium the rest of the continent. If anything it's an oddity to prank your friends with. I have never seen it in stores, at least.

Thanks to the thread for recipes. I'm going to also cook full wheat for her because it's mostly the carbs thing. (And fat from animal products.) If I find the title of whatever book she's using as a guide I'll share with this thread, and you can all try to survive on nothing but mixed vegetable juices for a month. To the book's merit, they all have a fairly palatable flavour (usually because of the apples mixed in) but your body will actively revolt against it after a week of only liquid foods that all have the same taste.

EDIT: I found the book. It's written by a guy called Jason Vale and called the "Super Sappendieet" in Dutch, apparently "Superjuice Me" in English.

Deltasquid fucked around with this message at 08:14 on Jun 8, 2016

Agricola Frigidus
Feb 7, 2010
Try the bio-shop on vismarkt. As for marmite, I saw some long ago in the english section of the Arenberg carrefour, but can't vouch that it hasn't been discontinued yet.

deadly_pudding
May 13, 2009

who the fuck is scraeming
"LOG OFF" at my house.
show yourself, coward.
i will never log off

Deltasquid posted:

No. the reason is



It's Leuven. After googling I found some bio stores here, but I haven't looked into nutritional yeast yet.


Are you British? There is no market for marmite in Belgium the rest of the continent. If anything it's an oddity to prank your friends with. I have never seen it in stores, at least.

Thanks to the thread for recipes. I'm going to also cook full wheat for her because it's mostly the carbs thing. (And fat from animal products.) If I find the title of whatever book she's using as a guide I'll share with this thread, and you can all try to survive on nothing but mixed vegetable juices for a month. To the book's merit, they all have a fairly palatable flavour (usually because of the apples mixed in) but your body will actively revolt against it after a week of only liquid foods that all have the same taste.

EDIT: I found the book. It's written by a guy called Jason Vale and called the "Super Sappendieet" in Dutch, apparently "Superjuice Me" in English.

I did the all-juice diet with my girlfriend for like a couple weeks 3 years ago, as an experiment. I didn't feel terrible or anything, physically, but it is a pretty demoralizing way to live. "Welp I just worked 8 hours and I loving bike everywhere in the hot summer because my car died 6 months ago and I make minimum wage. Time to go home and down a tall glass of green sludge, which is my entire dinner".

The body is pretty okay at adapting. I wouldn't say that I felt particularly hungry most of the time. I was super glad to go back to solid foods, though.

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texting my ex
Nov 15, 2008

I am no one
I cannot squat
It's in my blood
I don't even know where I stand with food. I've been fat in my youth. I've been anorexic in my teenage years (running half marathons every day). I've rigorously watched my diet and didn't drink for 2 years when I was strenght training the most. Now I'm injured from the training and party all the time (alcohol and weed), which means I pretty much only eat poo poo. I even used to be a vegetarian lmao. Tho this is good, most stuff I cook when I do cook nowadays is vegetarian.

Maybe I should go back to cooking all of my meals. I can make them delicious (and vegetarian), but the energy is just not there most of the time. Yesterday I cooked delicious vegetarian pasta with veggies instead of meats (for the sauce) and it's glorious.

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