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I'm looking into adopting a dog soon and while reading up on dog training methods, it's mentioned often that "punishment" for bad behaviour, if at all, is to be applied immediately after the dog did something bad, because dogs lack the awareness to connect something bad they did a while back with the punishment. If that's true, what is happening in the "guilty dog" videos you can find all over YouTube? For instance: https://youtu.be/oguNnbsYztI?t=3m49s The dog clearly knows he did something wrong, is evading its owner and displaying submissive behaviour. Even when the owners are talking very calmly and non-threatening, dogs know what's up, so clearly there is a link between what they did and knowing it was wrong, so punishment should help preventing them from doing it again. To clarify, I'm using the term "punishment" very loosely. I am not talking about hitting the dog or pushing its face into his mess, more about a short, stern vocal expression of disapproval. It's always better to reinforce good behaviour than punish bad behaviour. Bonus guilty dog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcLEBOeFaSo
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Oct 31, 2015 17:26
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How does a dog know that what they did was "bad"? That's a human rule. If a dog knows that something is "bad", then that's because the behavior was previously shaped in some way.
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Oct 31, 2015 19:48
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The dog isn't connecting it's actions to being punished, it knows that tone of voice/behavior of their owner means it's going to be punished and its throwing appeasement behaviors to get the person to chill the gently caress out. It's not thinking "oh no I tore up that pillow an hour ago and now I got caught", it's thinking "oh no the person is pissed again better try and calm them down". Dogs are excellent at reading human body language and also learning patterns so even if the person is talking normally they might be using pissy body language or the dog has come to recognize "pillow shreds + person= getting yelled at" without comprehending that shredding the pillow is what is getting them yelled at. Have some articles about it. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/thoughtful-animal/do-dogs-feel-guilty/ http://www.patriciamcconnell.com/theotherendoftheleash/guilty-dog-viral-video http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/26/dogs-shame-guilty-look/5833395/
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Oct 31, 2015 21:10
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Thanks for the links. Interesting read.
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Nov 1, 2015 13:05
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Basically the dog can't make the logical connection of "person is mad because I tipped the trash can 5 hours ago maybe I shouldn't have done that" it's just "oh poo poo there's trash on the floor person gets mad when there's trash on the floor".
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Nov 2, 2015 04:16
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Instant Jellyfish posted:The dog isn't connecting it's actions to being punished, it knows that tone of voice/behavior of their owner means it's going to be punished and its throwing appeasement behaviors to get the person to chill the gently caress out. It's not thinking "oh no I tore up that pillow an hour ago and now I got caught", it's thinking "oh no the person is pissed again better try and calm them down". Dogs are excellent at reading human body language and also learning patterns so even if the person is talking normally they might be using pissy body language or the dog has come to recognize "pillow shreds + person= getting yelled at" without comprehending that shredding the pillow is what is getting them yelled at. Basically this, animals have an amazing ability to read body language. There is a story about a man that had an adding horse, the two of them would travel the fair and the horse would amaze the crowd with its ability to add. Well some behavioral scientists study the man and horse and discovered that the man was giving the horse the answer. But here is the fun part, the man didn't know he was doing it, he actually thought the horse could add. Training takes consistency and appropriate action at the right time. If a dog gets into the trash, unless you correct the behavior while they are doing it, they learn digging into the trash is good. Even if you catch the dog with trash right after tipping, the dog will just learn that what it was chewing on was bad, not tipping over the trash. This means that correcting and stopping some behavior can be a real pain in the rear end to fix, it is far better to train your dog what to do right then it is to fix a bad behavior.
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Nov 4, 2015 09:49
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1500 posted:Basically this, animals have an amazing ability to read body language. There is a story about a man that had an adding horse, the two of them would travel the fair and the horse would amaze the crowd with its ability to add. Well some behavioral scientists study the man and horse and discovered that the man was giving the horse the answer. But here is the fun part, the man didn't know he was doing it, he actually thought the horse could add. This is called the Clever Hans effect . It's a huge problem with drug sniffing dogs because they're so good at reading their handlers body language that they'll often give false positives just because their handler thinks there are drugs in a location and their body language tells the dog ALERT NOW BOSS THINKS THERE ARE DRUGS HERE. Your dog keys into your body language and reacts accordingly regardless of whether it has any idea WHY you're behaving that way.
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