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A Bad King
Jul 17, 2009


Suppose the oil man,
He comes to town.
And you don't lay money down.

Yet Mr. King,
He killed the thread
The other day.
Well I wonder.
Who's gonna go to Hell?
My arms are tired. I just skiied 3 miles in the cloudy Wisconsin hinterlands. I'm asking: is cross country skiing an effective mode of transit in the woods?

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Maxwells Demon
Jan 15, 2007


It's faster than running and one can last longer distances when the trails are groomed and you've had training.

If you're putzing around ungroomed areas it's probably a bit better than snowshoeing.

meselfs
Sep 26, 2015

The body may die, but the soul is always rotten
Snow is a funny thing, there's like a hundred different kinds of it. So there are a hundred or so skiing setups you could employ, and getting it wrong could mean painful travel.

Virgin unconsolidated snow, on the other hand, while best traveled with any wide/short ski (if slopes are mild and vegetation not dense) or snowshoe (other cases), is always really hard unless you're going down a steep hill you ascended with a lift. It beats walking in shoes, that's about it.

Epitope
Nov 27, 2006

Grimey Drawer

meselfs posted:

Snow is a funny thing, there's like a hundred different kinds of it. So there are a hundred or so skiing setups you could employ, and getting it wrong could mean painful travel.

Virgin unconsolidated snow, on the other hand, while best traveled with any wide/short ski (if slopes are mild and vegetation not dense) or snowshoe (other cases), is always really hard unless you're going down a steep hill you ascended with a lift. It beats walking in shoes, that's about it.

On the other end of the spectrum, late season when the snow is old and hard enough to support skis, you can zoom around whole areas in a fraction of time of any other season.

e- I like this vid better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5z6q_Ix3kWI

Epitope fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Jan 26, 2016

Free Market Mambo
Jul 26, 2010

by Lowtax
Diff'rent skis for diff'rent needs. On windblown snow/ice fields a pair of skinny skis will make life nice, and in powdery woods, something a bit wider and shorter will let you get around. There's huge variation in ski design of indigenous peoples for this very reason.

Last night for exercise I went around a local ski track in a waxless mountain cross country set-up with plastic boots and was disheartened by how slowly I moved compared to other skiiers, but in ungroomed snow or varying conditions, I would have had a big advantage.

BRJurgis
Aug 15, 2007

Well I hear the thunder roll, I feel the cold winds blowing...
But you won't find me there, 'cause I won't go back again...
While you're on smoky roads, I'll be out in the sun...
Where the trees still grow, where they count by one...
I've skied before, but I found it was completely impossible to stop while cross-country skiing. The lack of the support you'd get with a downhill ski setup made my strategy for going down a hill 'identify a safe place to fly into the snow'.

Oh and of course, make sure your buddy is done falling over first.

If your strategy is 'yodel and sing and yell like an idiot the whole time', I tried that already : |

Free Market Mambo
Jul 26, 2010

by Lowtax

BRJohnson posted:

I've skied before, but I found it was completely impossible to stop while cross-country skiing. The lack of the support you'd get with a downhill ski setup made my strategy for going down a hill 'identify a safe place to fly into the snow'.

Oh and of course, make sure your buddy is done falling over first.

If your strategy is 'yodel and sing and yell like an idiot the whole time', I tried that already : |

Do what Lil Jon do, Get Low.

Grand Theft Autobot
Feb 28, 2008

I'm something of a fucking idiot myself
Cross country skiing owns hard. Especially on Lake Superior's North Shore.

Who Is Paul Blart
Oct 22, 2010
no

extra stout
Feb 24, 2005

ISILDUR's ERR

Free Market Mambo posted:

Diff'rent skis for diff'rent needs. On windblown snow/ice fields a pair of skinny skis will make life nice, and in powdery woods, something a bit wider and shorter will let you get around. There's huge variation in ski design of indigenous peoples for this very reason.

Last night for exercise I went around a local ski track in a waxless mountain cross country set-up with plastic boots and was disheartened by how slowly I moved compared to other skiiers, but in ungroomed snow or varying conditions, I would have had a big advantage.

knowing that you give tours of mountains in finland makes me literally write down your advice about skiing, molotov cocktails, shooting a mosin, or alcoholism

*PUNCH*
Jul 8, 2007
naked on the internet

Free Market Mambo posted:

Diff'rent skis for diff'rent needs. On windblown snow/ice fields a pair of skinny skis will make life nice, and in powdery woods, something a bit wider and shorter will let you get around. There's huge variation in ski design of indigenous peoples for this very reason.

To elaborate, there's basically a huge spectrum of gear for different terrain/conditions. For instance, here is basically the opposite of a XC ski while still being a ski, and definitely intended for backcountry travel: http://us-store.altaiskis.com/product/hok-ski/

(Pretty sure those are gonna be the worst of all worlds but I have no idea. They're probably nice for deep snow in woods, but in any kind of open country a dedicated AT setup would probably be more fun.)

Then there's ridiculous specialty poo poo like this, which is for randonee nerds. If you want to pretend to be Killian Jornet, buy these: http://www.sportiva.com/products/ski/skis/rsr and these http://www.sportiva.com/products/ski/boots/stratos-cube.

As far as proper XC goes, the gear has become really specialized to suit immaculately groomed and prepped courses, and not really suited to the backwoods conditions the (Norwegian) originators used to ski. It's pretty impractical unless you've got a XC ski area nearby, or a whole bunch of flat, hard spring snow lying around.

While we're nerding out, have some videos of traditional skiing. Completely badass all the way:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKtKPCv8_uc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewW6-nONcEw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDY-aUru_bs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uCTNZNPMC0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXdbqa65GhI

And some truly excellent cross-country skiing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OH-zVXN8OMg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jo5HiyXSJww

XC urban for lyf

*PUNCH* fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Apr 3, 2016

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Maxwells Demon
Jan 15, 2007


That last video was an awesome spoof of the Downhill style videos of it.

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