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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:This doesn't pass the smell test at all, sounds like nonsense for public consumption in Iran on the eve of their elections. They just restricted some candidates so I imagine this is a way to change the news cycle there. Possibly. Even so, I do hope the Democrats take a tone of, "We're not saying this is true, but the Republicans sure seem to be playing politics with Americans' safety worldwide!" *wags finger at Republicans* Republicans are way better at drawing guilt by association. The Democrats need to, you know. Start doing that more.
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Majorian posted:Possibly. Even so, I do hope the Democrats take a tone of, "We're not saying this is true, but the Republicans sure seem to be playing politics with Americans' safety worldwide!" *wags finger at Republicans* i think its more likely that the democrats would fumble hard on the spin and end up getting it turned into "those loving idiot libs take Iran at their word. what a bunch of jackasses, right?" cuz, yknow, democrats
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paranoid randroid posted:i think its more likely that the democrats would fumble hard on the spin and end up getting it turned into "those loving idiot libs take Iran at their word. what a bunch of jackasses, right?" Yeah, I know. It's just fun to dream about how things would be if my party were, you know. Good at poo poo like that. 
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Rent-A-Cop posted:If there's one source of information I trust implicitly it's a guy who recognizes the very real threat of sorcery in TYoOL 2016. Don't forget Iran's GMO free and organically sourced opinion on Homosexuality and how it doesn't exist in Iran. Remember, as good liberals we must side at all times with anyone that is the enemy of our enemy
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paranoid randroid posted:perhaps if i wish hard enough, some mischievous fairy will grant me my desire to see Tom Cotton trip on he own dick and turn this into a real occurence +1
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Feb 12, 2016 02:03
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The mixture of "this actually happened" and "they were dumb enough to leave a paper trail" is so wildly unlikely =/
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evilweasel posted:It's believed he did, yeah. But the important thing is he didn't get caught. He did get caught; LBJ's FBI had surveillance tapes of one of his staffers telling the South Vietnamese to "hold on" for a Nixon victory. LBJ was gonna go public but was talked out of it by one of his advisors. http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/12/george-will-confirms-nixons-vietnam-treason
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paranoid randroid posted:i think its more likely that the democrats would fumble hard on the spin and end up getting it turned into "those loving idiot libs take Iran at their word. what a bunch of jackasses, right?" It's not really that. Republicans have a well oiled and established echo chamber that amplifies the smallest thing into a deafening foghorn. It gets them nowhere except with their base but that's really all they care about. It even goes on after it should have died down, see Obama's birth cert, Benghazi, the emails, a billion other things that haven't produced anything of note past the initial accusation, even through the savage beatdowns they got after those they still, somehow, came out on top in the eyes of their base. There is not nearly as much fire and brimstone in the Dem spin machine as there is powering the giant coal rolling hate truck that is republican rhetoric. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Feb 12, 2016 |
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:He did get caught; LBJ's FBI had surveillance tapes of one of his staffers telling the South Vietnamese to "hold on" for a Nixon victory. LBJ was gonna go public but was talked out of it by one of his advisors. So that's what the left wing version of "The Blaze" looks like.
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Feb 12, 2016 12:06
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So it's pretty much impossible to convict someone of treason but that's treason right?
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It'd be super hilarious if US-Iranian relations started to heal over mutual dislike of Republicans
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:It'd be super hilarious if US-Iranian relations started to heal over mutual dislike of Republicans So you do believe that the American Left has more in common with the Iranian ruling class then with American Republicans? How do you rectify that with Iran's official position on things that the American left hold dear? Or you just don't care about gay rights as long as Republicans look bad somehow. Seems pretty hateful and bigoted.
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gobbagool posted:So you do believe that the American Left has more in common with the Iranian ruling class then with American Republicans? How do you rectify that with Iran's official position on things that the American left hold dear? Or you just don't care about gay rights as long as Republicans look bad somehow. Seems pretty hateful and bigoted. Yes American Republicans are the arbiters of gay rights in America and Iran combined. Yes.
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cheesetriangles posted:So it's pretty much impossible to convict someone of treason but that's treason right? It's not since we're not at war with Iran.
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computer parts posted:It's not since we're not at war with Iran. Is it some other law that isn't actually written out in the constitution and meant to be insanely hard to apply and is equivalent to treason?
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cheesetriangles posted:Is it some other law that isn't actually written out in the constitution and meant to be insanely hard to apply and is equivalent to treason? It's treason, but people want to play cute with Iranian propaganda.
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gobbagool posted:So you do believe that the American Left has more in common with the Iranian ruling class then with American Republicans? How do you rectify that with Iran's official position on things that the American left hold dear? Or you just don't care about gay rights as long as Republicans look bad somehow. Seems pretty hateful and bigoted. That's...an interesting reading of his post.
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cheesetriangles posted:Is it some other law that isn't actually written out in the constitution and meant to be insanely hard to apply and is equivalent to treason? Not that I'm aware of, no.
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Feb 12, 2016 17:22
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Nonsense posted:Yes American Republicans are the arbiters of gay rights in America and Iran combined. Yes. maybe, just maybe, it's possible that Iran is actually worse on Gay rights than American Republicans. It's just a thought.
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computer parts posted:Not that I'm aware of, no. It could steal lead to a congressional investigation if the subcommittee has some unbiased-hahahaha
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gobbagool posted:So you do believe that the American Left has more in common with the Iranian ruling class then with American Republicans? How do you rectify that with Iran's official position on things that the American left hold dear? Or you just don't care about gay rights as long as Republicans look bad somehow. Seems pretty hateful and bigoted. Wow. That post started with a non sequitur and just got worse.
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gobbagool posted:So you do believe that the American Left has more in common with the Iranian ruling class then with American Republicans? How do you rectify that with Iran's official position on things that the American left hold dear? Or you just don't care about gay rights as long as Republicans look bad somehow. Seems pretty hateful and bigoted. im extremely hateful, bigoted, and love detente
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Feb 12, 2016 17:36
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gobbagool posted:So you do believe that the American Left has more in common with the Iranian ruling class then with American Republicans? How do you rectify that with Iran's official position on things that the American left hold dear? Or you just don't care about gay rights as long as Republicans look bad somehow. Seems pretty hateful and bigoted. I'm fairly certain this is a troll, but even so, regardless of Iran's internal violations of civil rights, not talking to them hasn't exactly made their government any less awful. Getting them to open up internationally has a much better chance of getting them to liberalize politically, than continuing to isolate them.
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cheesetriangles posted:Is it some other law that isn't actually written out in the constitution and meant to be insanely hard to apply and is equivalent to treason? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act
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gobbagool posted:So you do believe that the American Left has more in common with the Iranian ruling class then with American Republicans? The American Left can actually negotiate with Iran. Also, Iran is apparently less likely to backstab them.
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Feb 12, 2016 18:32
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gobbagool posted:So you do believe that the American Left has more in common with the Iranian ruling class then with American Republicans? How do you rectify that with Iran's official position on things that the American left hold dear? Or you just don't care about gay rights as long as Republicans look bad somehow. Seems pretty hateful and bigoted. I believe that the Iranians just want to be left the gently caress alone, and with our potential influence we might be able to even get them to realize that gay people are a thing and that's cool. But I know that doing poo poo like writing a letter in the attempt to sabotage diplomatic talks has kind of made Iran realize that the right wingers are *loving nuts*. They'd rather actually be able to talk and be diplomatic with the democrats than at perpetual war like they would with the republicans. War on terror etc. etc. Because it's not a war on the concept of terror, it's a war on brown people. As a bisexual man, I believe that coming closer to them would only prove better at dissuading them from their hard overreaction to homosexuality. I feel for those stuck in that situation, and I want to help, but continuing to let the fundies in Iran point at us as the great satan because we oppose them isn't going to work.
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Ratoslov posted:The American Left can actually negotiate with Iran. Also, Iran is apparently less likely to backstab them. The Iranian regime pretty much arrested and killed the communists they teamed up with to take down Palavi, sooooooooo I wouldn't bet on the American left getting any special treatment.
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Pope Guilty posted:The Iranian regime pretty much arrested and killed the communists they teamed up with to take down Palavi, sooooooooo I wouldn't bet on the American left getting any special treatment. Modern liberalism != Communists They have more socialism in them than actual communism.
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E-Tank posted:Modern liberalism != Communists Also I doubt Iran cares about leftists in other countries versus inside Iran.
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E-Tank posted:I believe that the Iranians just want to be left the gently caress alone Iran has interests beyond its borders just like everyone else. That they are consistently in the crosshairs of the US right-wing doesn't make Iran cool and good and I think that this is what was meant by "Iran isn't an ally of liberals just because the GOP goes crazy regarding Iran"
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Fojar38 posted:Iran has interests beyond its borders just like everyone else. That they are consistently in the crosshairs of the US right-wing doesn't make Iran cool and good and I think that this is what was meant by "Iran isn't an ally of liberals just because the GOP goes crazy regarding Iran" Let's just have normal relations so we can lean on them economically when they do/say hosed up things like we have with most countries since the end of WW2. We don't have to lie and pretend they're actually France, but Saudi and some of our other central Asian allies are just as bad or worse than Iran in daily action, and we negotiate normally with them, why not Iran? Also the propaganda is good timed trollin', and well deserved because Republicans are bastards.
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Assuming it's bullshit, what's the reasoning behind it? Are they really trying to goose the Democrats' chance in the elections? I would assume that most Iranian propaganda is meant for domestic consumption, but I don't really see how this should make much of a difference one way or the other.
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The sort of logic that led us into a deal with Iran is that neither party was genuinely interested in going to war with the other and the US had a lot problems, as did the IAEA, saying that there was anything going except some basic centrifuge enrichment. Also cefte's great putdown of Grover will never get old.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:
The imagery is spot on.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:Assuming it's bullshit, what's the reasoning behind it? Are they really trying to goose the Democrats' chance in the elections? I would assume that most Iranian propaganda is meant for domestic consumption, but I don't really see how this should make much of a difference one way or the other. Like I already said, there's a bunch of poo poo going on with their elections and they'd love to be able to turn the internal conversation away from that. Remember the green revolution? They'd rather not do that one again. This is a classic rally round the flag ploy, nothing solidifies the ruling party like external influence. The other important thing to remember is that there is just as much internal conflict in Iran over the nuclear deal than there is in the states (maybe more), things like this that could potentially weaken that deal should be treated with suspicion. evilmiera posted:So did this just get proven as false or is it not really being investigated? If it's being investigated there's no way in hell they'd publicize it. The real risk is that this happens: paranoid randroid posted:i think its more likely that the democrats would fumble hard on the spin and end up getting it turned into "those loving idiot libs take Iran at their word. what a bunch of jackasses, right?" At this point this should be treated how we treat kremlin/rt propaganda, because the timing is really suspect and there's no evidence provided.
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