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Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

JFairfax posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq0QmXCz_8Q

Cool

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GenericOverusedName: Nov 24, 2009; KUVA TEAM EPIC

Pictionary

# ? Mar 14, 2016 01:59

N.Z.'s Champion: Jun 8, 2003; Yam Slacker

secret answer: draw a skull chilling on a podium with some seeds, a shell and can

drawing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0-7brHLdwQ

# ? Mar 14, 2016 02:23

PyPy: Sep 13, 2004; by vyelkin

I just read that the human won one game,but since the robutt has already won three and it's a best of five series, the human still has to pay the robutt one million human dollars.

# ? Mar 14, 2016 05:48

Moist von Lipwig: Oct 28, 2006; by FactsAreUseless; Tortured By Flan

Improbable Lobster posted:

teach ai to build and paint warhammer

# ? Mar 14, 2016 06:17

jony ive aces: Jun 14, 2012; designer of the lomarf car; Buglord

Illusive gently caress Man posted:

defcon

Smythe posted:

Russian roulette

# ? Mar 14, 2016 10:57

jony ive aces: Jun 14, 2012; designer of the lomarf car; Buglord

Symbolic Butt posted:

http://www.ibtimes.com/googles-deepmind-artificial-intelligence-could-next-take-starcraft-2334630

i'd heard about the starcraft bot competition but didn't know that

quote:

However, despite the number of AI programs taking part, human players still triumphed.

idk how the starcraft 2 ones work but for starcraft 1 there were like 2 stages in development of custom AI stuff:

hacking the data files governing the game's own "ai" scripts to give computer players better build orders and stuff - this was pretty limited in what could be done since a lot was still hardcoded so p much always relied on script functions that cheated and gave the computer player free minerals. i knew a guy who was pretty into doing that but his magnum opus was a thing designed for a team of 7 human players to get owned by 1 ai player, which relied not only on the cheats in the custom ai script, but also on a mod that restricted humans to playing terran or protoss while the ai was "zerg" modded to have overpowered demonic units lol
then later the memory structures used by the game exe were mapped out so people developed an api to interfere with that to allow the writing of "ai" that read in game information and directly assigned orders so could better handle things like micromanagement for the first time. direct memory access could also be used for cheating (in fps terms you wanted the ai to act like it had an aimbot but not a wallhack), so afaik part of the goal of the api was also to only expose the same data a human player should be able to see. this was when things got cool but afaik it only caught on when i was already on my way out of the starcraft modding scene like after starcraft 2 had been announced or maybe even released lol - i looked into using the memory hacking stuff to do modding stuff for a single player campaign but like most starcraft modding projects never released anything. but now you get the tourneys and academic researchers and stuff involved and it seems p cool

with AI bots they can do 0wnage things with micromanagement like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feMCx0NivuE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PLplRDSgpo
(lomarf @ the low graphics settings)

but that's p interesting that even they can apparently still be beaten by humans, i guess mainly just from the macro-level stuff? afaik all the "ais" are all just based on what i guess you'd call a human-designed decision tree; if google threw deep neural nets at it, abstracting it beyond what any human could comprehend, that would potentially be p cool until they start using it to micromanage terminators i guess

# ? Mar 14, 2016 11:30

AtomD: May 3, 2009; Fun Shoe

cricket, op

# ? Mar 14, 2016 12:53

jony ive aces: Jun 14, 2012; designer of the lomarf car; Buglord

rollerball

# ? Mar 14, 2016 14:56

Farmer Crack-Ass: Jan 2, 2001; this is me posting irl

what would impress me more is if rather than designing chesmast.cmd or 10dan_go.exe there was a single system that could learn and play nearly any game you threw at it

# ? Mar 14, 2016 18:27

Smythe: Oct 12, 2003

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

what would impress me more is if rather than designing chesmast.cmd or 10dan_go.exe there was a single system that could learn and play nearly any game you threw at it

The Gurgeh Program. Interesting.

# ? Mar 14, 2016 18:39

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

when alphago and boston dynamics combine forces to create the world number one at dance dance go... holy fuckin jesus titty eating naked christ

# ? Mar 14, 2016 20:02

Fuzzy Mammal: Aug 15, 2001; Lipstick Apathy

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

what would impress me more is if rather than designing chesmast.cmd or 10dan_go.exe there was a single system that could learn and play nearly any game you threw at it

that is totally their goal. this is just one of the first steps towards that. next they've said they will retrain alphago from scratch rather than an initial database of human games. If that works it should be possible to do it for any no hidden information game.

# ? Mar 14, 2016 20:05

Tatsujin: Apr 26, 2004; EVERYONE EXCEPT THE HOT WOMEN

risk to give them a taste of global domination

# ? Mar 14, 2016 20:22

oh no blimp issue: Feb 23, 2011

itd be cool to set up several ai on some sort of game, dont teach them how to play it but if an ai wins they get a "treat"
how quickly would they learn how to win?

# ? Mar 14, 2016 20:29

angry_keebler: Jul 16, 2006; In His presence the mountains quake and the hills melt away; the earth trembles and its people are destroyed. Who can stand before His fierce anger?

Awia posted:

how quickly would they learn how to win?

about as long as it takes for the machine intelligence to realize the goal of getting the reward button pressed can be more easily achieved by building a robot to press the button, and then decide that the button pressing robot must be protected by eliminating anything that can interfere with button pressing robots

# ? Mar 14, 2016 21:17

Powerful Two-Hander: Mar 10, 2004; Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.

Tatsujin posted:

risk to give them a taste of global domination

risk sucks as a game, the ai would probably just camp in australia like everyone else

# ? Mar 15, 2016 00:38

Godzillion: Feb 29, 2016

https://youtu.be/cmcnJyOyu34

# ? Mar 15, 2016 21:09

Optimus_Rhyme: Apr 15, 2007; are you that mainframe hacker guy?

The only game: PUA

Illusive gently caress Man posted:

defcon

They do: http://www.cybergrandchallenge.com/

# ? Mar 15, 2016 21:34

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

jelqing, op

# ? Mar 15, 2016 21:43

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

twister

# ? Mar 15, 2016 21:47

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

singstar

# ? Mar 15, 2016 21:48

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

the game of love :wink:

# ? Mar 15, 2016 21:48

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

edgeplay would be a good thing for AIs to learn

# ? Mar 15, 2016 21:50

Sagebrush: Feb 26, 2012

The Most Dangerous Game imo

# ? Mar 15, 2016 21:50

Just-In-Timeberlake: Aug 18, 2003

Sagebrush posted:

The Most Dangerous Game imo

do you want terminators? because that's how you get terminators.

# ? Mar 15, 2016 21:52

Sagebrush: Feb 26, 2012

Just-In-Timeberlake posted:

do you want terminators?

P much yeah

# ? Mar 15, 2016 22:07

echinopsis: Apr 13, 2004; by Fluffdaddy

# ? Mar 15, 2016 22:09

jony ive aces: Jun 14, 2012; designer of the lomarf car; Buglord

Optimus_Rhyme posted:

http://www.cybergrandchallenge.com/

i'm the teams from moscow and athens that are actually just from lovely little US american towns like all the others

# ? Mar 15, 2016 23:03

dragon enthusiast: Jan 1, 2010

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

what would impress me more is if rather than designing chesmast.cmd or 10dan_go.exe there was a single system that could learn and play nearly any game you threw at it

didn't they do that with Atari games with deepmind

# ? Mar 16, 2016 06:14

Sham bam bamina!: Nov 6, 2012; ƨtupid cat

Valeyard posted:

lol

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Syd Midnight: Sep 23, 2005

jony ive aces posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0yDtRolrn0

# ? Mar 16, 2016 16:07

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